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[FredLeonard]

Sack: For the record, I was the one who used the term "femi-nazi" in this thread, not Avid Listener. He and I often disagree but I am with him on his post above. And I said people in this category (femi-nazis) complained that a woman was not considered. We don't know that no women were considered or why any of them might have not gotten or taken the job. We only know that some outsiders with an ax to grind made a complaint. Some women mentioned in Avid Listener's post might well have not been considered and maybe some of them weren't interested.

Pushing for a member of a category to be hired because they fall in that category is setting them up for failure. Exhibit A: Katie. Exhibit B: Obama.

Not all women are femi-nazis. And not all femi-nazis are women. You seem to equate the two. You also seem to equate opposition to affirmative action/reverse discrimination and hiring quotas with hatred of women.

I deal with people as individuals. You, like most PC types, deal seem to deal with people based on some racial, ethnic, gender, sexual preference, or disability category and that is the essence of bigotry (yes, even if you think you are helping those people).

I mostly don't agree with Rush, either. You seem to hate him enough to dismiss anything he says. I do agree with him about femi-nazis and I did agree with him about Donovan McNabb. Keep posting and someday I might even agree with you. You know what they say about stopped clocks.

 

[Avid Listener]

I never said anything about qualifications, my comment was about your femi-nazi comment, dismissing all women in one shot. Yes, a QUALIFIED woman or man. You mentioned some very good candidates, but my original post was about women complaining that there were no women being considered, and you dismissing them with the Limbaugh type comment.

Though I didn't quote Rush, dismissing talentless bimbos like Kathy Griffin with a pejorative term is a quite accurate and appropriate response. When women complaining that there are "no women being considered" when (1) they do not know that for a fact but rather (2) they're bent out of shape because they personally aren't being considered because they are talentless bimbos, but they try to make it an issue of some sort of chauvinism instead of accepting the reality that they personally just aren't good enough, those women deserve scorn, not respect. The same goes for anyone who blames the fact that they belong to any particular group instead of accepting that they personally simply lack the necessary talent or qualifications.

 

[FredLeonard]

Hey, Sack, did ABC consider any men for "The View" when they had all those openings?

 

[sack]

I didn't like the term femi-nazi. I think its an ****** term. You were complaining that women were complaining that a woman should be considered for the job, I took issue with that. Its just about giving everyone a fair shot.
And I do think it would be good if there were a man on "The View".

avid said "When women complaining that there are no women being considered" when (1) they do not know that for a fact but rather (2) they're bent out of shape because they personally aren't being considered because they are talentless bimbos"

Do you know that there were women considered,, for a fact. And your sexism shows with terms like "talentless bimbos". What women were complaining? What were they saying? If they were saying a woman should have the job because she is a woman,,, thats absurd. Woman or Man, qualifications come first, not gender. If their argument is that there are talented women that should get a shot,,, whats wrong with that? If you are only hearing a list of men being considered for a job,, why not question the lack of women on the list?

 

[FredLeonard]

I didn't like the term femi-nazi. I think its an ****** term. You were complaining that women were complaining that a woman should be considered for the job, I took issue with that. Its just about giving everyone a fair shot.
And I do think it would be good if there were a man on "The View".

avid said "When women complaining that there are no women being considered" when (1) they do not know that for a fact but rather (2) they're bent out of shape because they personally aren't being considered because they are talentless bimbos"

Do you know that there were women considered,, for a fact. And your sexism shows with terms like "talentless bimbos". What women were complaining? What were they saying? If they were saying a woman should have the job because she is a woman,,, thats absurd. Woman or Man, qualifications come first, not gender. If their argument is that there are talented women that should get a shot,,, whats wrong with that? If you are only hearing a list of men being considered for a job,, why not question the lack of women on the list?

As you describe it, nothing is wrong with that. But in practical terms in a world of affirmative action the push is for people to be hired BECAUSE they are female (or Black, gay, disabled, etc....). And the push comes from (avoiding that term you hate) activists for group victimhood and entitlement.

Recently saw a story about a study finding that women who "do things the old fashioned way" in their careers, women who are accomplished, who work hard and get things done, are less likely to get raises and promotions compared to other women. There is some indication they may be resented by other women. But those activists don't want to talk about that, or to talk about how in spite of demands of "equal pay for equal work" work is often not equal and women make choices in their careers and then complain about the consequences of those choices. They don't want to talk about women who lack single-minded devoting to their careers and take time off to "have it all" and then expect raises and promotions anyway. They don't want to talk about women who use what used to be called feminine wiles to get ahead or to get "help" getting their work done.

And there was no "published list" of job candidates. We don't know whose names were on it or not. Chelsea Handler was reportedly under consideration for Letterman's job. When she did not get it, she signed a new contract with E! which would have taken her out of the running for the Late, Late slot.

Ironically, perhaps unfairly, Joan Rivers' terrible record in her attempt to host (every night, not just once a week) a late nigh show may have made it more difficult for other women. Women get away with things men don't. Men get away with things women don't. The successful late night hosts have all been bad boy/class clown types and that's not an act women generally can pull off. Women comediennes' humor generally has an edge to it and that may not wear as well night after night. Late night hosts need to be comfortable. It's who people watch before bed.

 

[Avid Listener]

Do you know that there were women considered,, for a fact. And your sexism shows with terms like "talentless bimbos". What women were complaining? What were they saying? If they were saying a woman should have the job because she is a woman,,, thats absurd. Woman or Man, qualifications come first, not gender. If their argument is that there are talented women that should get a shot,,, whats wrong with that? If you are only hearing a list of men being considered for a job,, why not question the lack of women on the list?

According to published reports, Chelsea Handler was considered and rejected, Another name bandied about was Sarah Silverman. As for "talentless bimbo", I was describing one specific woman who is both (1) talentless and (2) a bimbo. She is Kathy Griffin, the self-described "Queen of the D-List celebrities". It was that specific talentless bimbo who was kvetching the loudest about "no women being considered" simply because she wasn't being considered.

There aren't many things more loathsome than someone unqualified idiot making noises that they weren't rejected for their own shortcomings, they were rejected because of some group they belonged to. If CBS was only looking for women to replace Craig Ferguson, and refused to consider any men at all, Kathy Griffin would still have been rejected.

 

[FredLeonard]

Bimbo: n an attractive but empty-headed young woman, especially one perceived as a willing sex object.

Not sure the women named here qualify on all three counts.

 

[Avid Listener]

Bimbo: n an attractive but empty-headed young woman, especially one perceived as a willing sex object.

Not sure the women named here qualify on all three counts.

Griffin is not bad to look at. She is no longer young, except relative to me. She does have something of a self-promoted reputation for being a slut. I stand by my assessment of her.