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Another station just got cursed:

WMGM Losing NBC Affiliation in Philadelphia

Now FTVLive says it's going dark. That's really cursed.

Many expected it and now it looks like it's going to happen.

Atlantic City's WMGM was sold to LocusPoint which is buying up properties in anticipating of the spectrum auction.

NBC notified the station that the affiliation would terminate on 12/31.

While the new owners said they would continue to operate the station as an independent, sources tell FTVLive that the staff has been told will go dark on December 31.

Everyone is out of a job.

Happy New Year.

http://ftvlive.com/todays-news/2014/10/6/atlantic-city-station-to-go-dark
 
Now FTVLive says [WMGM is] going dark. That's really cursed.

http://ftvlive.com/todays-news/2014/10/6/atlantic-city-station-to-go-dark

I think this may have something to do with it:

Trump Plaza closes, making it official: A third of Atlantic City’s casinos have closed this year
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...atlantic-citys-casinos-have-closed-this-year/

Maybe Atlantic City itself is cursed.

More discussion on the Philly TV board:
http://www.radiodiscussions.com/sho...to-lose-NBC-affiliation&p=6004137#post6004137
 
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Yuma again...

Viewers Not Happy With What They See After Yuma Stations Put Under One Roof

The plan to put all the Yuma, Ariz. market stations owned or operated by News-Press & Gazette under one roof has not gone as smoothly as planned.

According to the Yuma Sun, viewers started noticing signal problems after NBC affiliate KYMA, CBS affiliate KSWT, FOX, ABC, CW and Telemundo affiliate KECY were consolidated as part of a shared services agreement between Blackhawk Broadcasting and NP&G in July.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/vi...-title&utm_source=tvspy&utm_medium=newsletter
 
Whether as primary -1 channels or as subchannels, how does the FCC allow the big 4 to be all associated with one broadcasting company?
 
The FCC has no authority over network affiliations.
I once worked for a CBS Radio-owned station which was an ABC affiliate.
 
The station was 620-WSUN radio. CBS does not own the station at this time. The station's call letters are now WDAE. It's a IheartMedia station.
 
Whether as primary -1 channels or as subchannels, how does the FCC allow the big 4 to be all associated with one broadcasting company?
While there are rules against duopolies that limit the concentrations of "big four" affiliations, waivers can be granted when in the public interest, such as a situation where no qualified buyer exists to purchase a failing station and therefore allowing one company to operate most or all of the network stations is considered to be the only way that viewers would continue to receive full network service. I believe that was the case in Yuma-El Centro, which is a market which has always been on the border of unprofitable; bear in mind that as recently as 1970, the market had a station (KIVA-TV/11) go dark because there wasn't enough business to support three stations (all VHFs!) and that resulted in the loss of ABC programming for several years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIVA_(TV)
 
From the "Cursed TV Markets" thread:

...as recently as 1970, the [Yuma-El Centro]market had a station (KIVA-TV/11) go dark because there wasn't enough business to support three stations (all VHFs!) and that resulted in the loss of ABC programming for several years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIVA_(TV)

Channel 11 is now NBC affiliate KYMA. ABC is now on an SD-only subchannel of KECY.
 
The station was 620-WSUN radio. CBS does not own the station at this time. The station's call letters are now WDAE. It's a IheartMedia station.

That's interesting. When I lived in the Tampa Bay area in the mid-'70s WSUN was on 620 and WDAE on 1250. What's on 1250 now?

WSUN also had a television station from 1953 to about 1970, on Channel 38. Had the FCC gone through with its original plan to make the Tampa/St. Petersburg market all-UHF Channel 38 might have had a chance. But in 1955 Channel 8 (NBC) and Channel 13 (then CBS, now Fox) signed on, and I guess people figured it wasn't worth the trouble in those pre-all-channel-TV days to seek out 38; besides, as an ABC affiliate, it generally had the weakest network schedules. Once Channel 10, which had its own problems (such as a transmitter placed away from the other stations so as not to short-space Miami's Channel 10), signed on in 1965 and got the ABC affiliation, Channel 38's days were numbered. Look at some of the Central Florida schedules from the 1965-70 period that I've posted and you can see that Channel 38 was obviously operating on a shoestring; the better-financed WTOG/44, owned by Hubbard Broadcasting, eventually was 38's death knell (although 38 is back as WTTA).
 
From the "Cursed TV Markets" thread:



Channel 11 is now NBC affiliate KYMA. ABC is now on an SD-only subchannel of KECY.

KYMA was an entirely different license from KIVA, though. In this case, the Wikipedia information is correct in stating same.
 
From another thread, a post comparing KCET to the CBC:

Public broadcaster KCET in Los Angeles sat on it's butt in complacency for many many years under the watchful eye of Al Jerome (who hasn't taken a pay cut in the 18+ years of his employ). Despite having it's own studio lot, KCET did next to nothing in the form of in house production since Carl Sagan's Cosmos series in the late 1970's. While public powerhouses like WGBH-Boston and WETA-Washington have been producing the bulk of PBS's acclaimed programming for years, KCET sat idly and begged the Southland for pledge dollars year after year while never returning their promised commitment to Los Angeles or PBS as a whole. Then they got the bright idea to try and strongarm PBS to lower their affiliate price or they would walk. PBS called them on their bluff and went to secondary outlet KOCE-Huntington Beach where business resumed as normal. Since 2011, KCET has floundered in subpar programming as a completely independent non-commercial outlet which has resulted in less pledge dollars. To add insult to injury, KCET has been selling any and all assets it has owned for decades including it's once iconic studios (the very one Carl Sagan gave us his "Pale Blue Dot" commentary) to the Church of Scientology full part and parcel. In another cash grab, KCET teamed up with the Los Angeles School District's non-com KLCS to auction off additional broadcast spectrum back to the FCC that will ultimately be up for bid to private wireless broadband companies.

Maybe there are some parallels you can draw with KCET and the Ceeb but last I checked CBC still gets "some" funding from the Canadian taxpayers. KCET gets no tax cushion and deservedly so... it's complete garbage unworthy of anyone's hard earned dime.
 
From jokinjer1 on tvnewstalk.net:

Well, it appears now that the Peoria area will go at least another 2 years without a single HD newscast. It also apepars that Quincy Newspapers may not aquire our NBC affiliate. Also, it appears one of our only 2 remaining news operations will go on broadcasting their local programming in 4:3 480i. I am so disgusted with Nexstar and the horrible, stagnant state of our Peoria TV stations.

Also, look at the schedules for Peoria's Big 4. You can't get through part of the morning without seeing an infomercial.
FOX: 6-7am, 7:30-9am
CBS: 9-10am
NBC: 11-11:30am
ABC: 11:30am-Noon

Compare that to Champaign-Springfield's Big 4, where the only "infomercials" seen in the morning are for evangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison at 6am on FOX.
 
I think this may have something to do with it:

Trump Plaza closes, making it official: A third of Atlantic City’s casinos have closed this year
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...atlantic-citys-casinos-have-closed-this-year/

Maybe Atlantic City itself is cursed.

More so now: United Airlines is leaving after eight months:

In another blow to Atlantic City, United Airlines will end flights in and out of Atlantic City International Airport on Dec. 3, saying the service to Chicago and Houston "didn't meet our expectations."

"In every market we serve, we continually review demand for the service," United said, "and our Atlantic City routes are no longer sustainable."

http://www.philly.com/philly/busine...vice_to_and_from_Atlantic_City_on_Dec__3.html

Now the nearest major airports to Atlantic City are in Philadelphia and Newark.
 
I'm surprised no one has mentioned KUQI in Corpus Christi TX, FOX affiliate since 2008. Crappy signal, piss-poor picture quality, no local newscasts. Its owner is in bankruptcy, which explains why a deal to sell the station fell through. Corpus Christi has never had a decent FOX affiliate. The previous affiliate, low power K47DF, was (and still is) analog-only, doesn't cover the entire city, and it isn't even simulcast on a subchannel of co-owned KRIS. I guess we could call Corpus Christi a cursed market.

KUQI Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KUQI
KUQI Contour Map: https://maps.google.com/?q=http://t...0&contour=41&city=CORPUS_CHRISTI&state=TX.kml
K47DF Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K47DF
K47DF Contour Map: https://maps.google.com/?q=http://t...0&contour=74&city=CORPUS_CHRISTI&state=TX.kml

I'm surprised FOX hasn't affiliated with a full-power affiliate in the market and become a .2 subchannel. Unless cable/satellite penetration in the market is very high and all that matters is delivering a signal to head-ends.

Here’s how I would do a subchannel shuffle in Corpus Christi:

KIII: 3.1 ABC (720p HD), 3.2 FOX (720p HD – move from KUQI), 3.3 MeTV (480i SD)
KRIS: 6.1 NBC (1080i HD), 6.2 Telemundo (720p HD – move from KZTV2), 6.3 Cozi TV (480i SD – move from KIII4)
KZTV: 10.1 CBS (1080i HD), 10.2 CW Plus (720p HD – move from KRIS2), 10.3 KDF (480i SD)
KUQI: 38.1 MundoFOX (720p HD – move from KIII3), 38.2 Retro TV (480i SD)
 
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Another cursed LPTV, this one on Hawaii's Big Island:

KHHB-LP, or "Hilo Five", was a low-power independent television station based in Hilo, Hawaii airing on NTSC VHF channel 5. On cable, the station was only available on the eastern half of the Big Island of Hawaii on Oceanic Cable channel 46 (analog cable) and 49 (digital cable). As of November 2007, KHHB-LP was the only low-power TV station in Hawaii to be carried on Oceanic Time Warner Cable.

KHHB-LP first hit the airwaves in December 2005 under the call letters K05LD. The station took on its current calls in 2006.

The majority of KHHB's schedule was composed of short films and religious music videos. The station also carried syndicated reruns of the classic shows Northern Exposure, The Nanny, Mad About You, Charlie's Angels, Starsky and Hutch, Mission: Impossible and Soap during the late afternoons and prime time. In late December, reruns of Law and Order: Criminal Intent were phased into the schedule.

The station also offered five-minute long newscasts every night at 7, 9 and 11 PM local time that catered specifically to Hilo viewers. These newscasts were also available for streaming on the station's website.

In January 2007 the Honolulu Star-Bulletin reported that a sister station for the western half of the island was also in the works, but as of March 2008 it has yet to surface.

The last broadcast was on May 6, 2011, and the license was cancelled on July 25, 2012 for failure to transmit a signal for a 12-month period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KHHB-LP
 
KTEL Carlsbad – satellite of low-power analog KTEL-LP Albuquerque (Telemundo)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTEL-LP
Contour Map: https://maps.google.com/?q=http://t...req=0.0&contour=41&city=CARLSBAD&state=NM.kml

KTEL-LP has turned off its analog signal and is now in 720p HD, while its Carlsbad satellite is still in 480i SD.

KTEL-LP continued running in analog but had a construction permit to flash-cut to digital broadcasting on channel 47. On August 11, 2014 Ramar Communications was granted construction permits to build new stations to replace KTEL-LP on UHF channel 15 and Santa Fe translator K46GY on UHF channel 16. Analog broadcasts on both stations ceased on September 3, 2014. At the end of September both stations went on the air testing their digital signals. Both stations have antenna patterns to cover both the Albuquerque and Santa Fe areas.

KRTN-LD has broadcast KTEL programming in digital since May 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTEL-LP#Digital_television

KTEL-LD Contour Map: http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1653697&map=Y
KRTN-LD Contour Map: http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1653701&map=Y
 
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