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Some...Use The Term....BEATLE-ESQUE.

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Scooter Lesley

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If there is one flaw in THE BEATLES...it was that they did not finish well. Recordingwise,...from 1962-to-1969, they produced product that some, including your truly, just can't seem to get enough of. When that mind set finds its way in to the songwriting, recording, and performing processes, "Power Pop" begins life.
Both Badfinger, and The Raspberries are from the early 70's Power Pop movement. Some critic, at the time, coined the term, and it really does...best describe.
With Power Pop, the tempos can vary, such as MATERIAL ISSUE, LA's legendary ('76) band THE NERVES,...and the amazing, "THE RED BUTTON". That sound kinda/sorta falls inside its on little fence. A lot of incredible recordings that sell, without the benefit of airplay. Go to Youtube, and check-out "Cruel Girl" by The Red Button. If you Love The Beatles, that song will really put a smile on your face.
 
I don't like The Beatles anyway.

Although their slower stuff shows up on my favorite station and I'm developing a taste for it.
 
You boys are a little short-sighted, and shallow in your thinking(?)....as it is OK to not prefer Beatles anything, but what recording artists do you think
caused all of this?

I'll give you a hint,...it ain't Slim Whitman! It all spawned from Elvis in '54, and later The Beatles in '64; unless you wanna count "Rocket 88" by Ike Turner & The Rhythm Kings, and give them credit for the first Rock & Roll song, in 1951....
 
Actually, Bill Haley was recording rock 'n roll hits while Elvis was still driving a truck for a living. But a hip-swivelin' hillbilly in tight jeans with a Brylcreem duck-ass hairdo was a lot more salable to the teen audience than a doughy middle-aged midwesterner with a bow tie and a cheesy comb-over.
 
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Well,...Jethro/JethreneM,....for the first time, one of your posts actually made some sense, but then again, you didn't read mine,...and just merely skimmed. Neither Elvis Presley, nor The Beatles invented Rock & Roll. My post is to draw discussion, regarding Beatle influence, and/or pattern. Elvis was recording for Sun, the same year ('54) as Haley, and not driving a truck; as performing Live was his employment. I am White, but still smart enough to know that a Black man invented Rock & Roll,...and if we want to properly bestow credit, that goes to Ike Turner. The man that is only credited for slappin' the taste outta a wife, after she probably hit him first. Released in April of 1951, was "Rocket 88" by Jackie Brenston & His Delta Cats. That was actually Ike Turner & His Kings of Rhythm.

Most Journalists, Historians, and Collectors agree, as it pre-dates Haley by years.
 
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Scooter Lesley said:
I'll give you a hint,...it ain't Slim Whitman! It all spawned from Elvis in '54, and later The Beatles in '64; unless you wanna count "Rocket 88" by Ike Turner & The Rhythm Kings, and give them credit for the first Rock & Roll song, in 1951....
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In any historical view, it is very difficult to say exactly when something stopped being one thing and became another. In other words, was "Rocket 88" the first rock & roll song or was it a step on the way to the music being considered a separate genre?

This is like asking when the caveman started being modern man.
 
Mr. Ed,....you continue...to always(?)...paint yourself into a corner! The Cave Man became the Modern Man, when he discovered fire, and began to cook, what he had killed to eat; furthermore using it to warm his dwelling, during cold weather. Past the point of Simple!!!

As for "Rocket 88" being the first,....listen to it. The proof is in the pudding,...per respected Journalists, Historians, and Collectors.

Even your Cave Man would attest to it being so!
 
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Mr. Ed,....you continue...to always(?)...paint yourself into a corner! The Cave Man became the Modern Man, when he discovered fire, and began to cook, what he had killed to eat; furthermore using it to warm his dwelling, during cold weather. Past the point of Simple!!!
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And you will be telling us when that happened? And whether it happened around the populated part of the world simultaneously, serendipitously or in isolated instances...

In any case, the transition from **** sapiens to **** sapiens sapiens occured about 200 centuries ago, and was tied to anatomy and not behaviour.

As to Rocket 88, it is hard to have a "first" song when the term itself was still yet to be coined.
 
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You can teach saltines like sCooter by breaking a two-by-four over their head, but it's a waste of perfectly good lumber.
 
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And you will be telling us when that happened? And whether it happened around the populated part of the world simultaneously, serendipitously or in isolated instances...

In any case, the transition from **** sapiens to **** sapiens sapiens occured about 200 centuries ago, and was tied to anatomy and not behaviour.

As to Rocket 88, it is hard to have a "first" song when the term itself was still yet to be coined.
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I am distressed that h-o-m-o s-a-p-i-e-n-s is now a dirty term. That would seem to indicate that all those people Art Bell used to interview were right.

Next the computer will tell us that we can't drink ****genized milk. Or use ****nyms in communication.
 
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Mr. Ed,....you continue...to always(?)...paint yourself into a corner! The Cave Man became the Modern Man, when he discovered fire, and began to cook, what he had killed to eat; furthermore using it to warm his dwelling, during cold weather. Past the point of Simple!!!

As for "Rocket 88" being the first,....listen to it. The proof is in the pudding,...per respected Journalists, Historians, and Collectors.

Even your Cave Man would attest to it being so!
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I don't know. It sounds like fairly traditional boogie woogie to me, with nothing particular to make it rock n roll. Here it is, courtesy of You Tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0
 
Sounds like that to me too. But once a couple of self-proclaimed music critics proclaim something, everyone else is obligated to agree.
 
Well,...again Gentlemen, you seem to be struggling. Here, let me clarify a few points. I did proclaim "Rocket 88" as the first, but after close study, I fully agree, and wait for a further argument, that pre-dates '51. In listening to it, the first thing that one can derive is that Little Richard pilfered some of it for "Lucille", several years later, and that is certainly Rock & Roll. Genre/type/classification terms float differently, in different heads, but I have never had a problem accepting the labels, dealt by Journalists, Historians, and Collectors, far more learn-id than I. A common layman may put it all under Alternative,....but both Blondie, and
The Cars, were all part of the American side of the "New Wave" movement. I, myself,...do not consider "Boogie Woogie" a class, yet a certain Riff.
 
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The Fab Four can be put into 4 different eras:

Late 1962 (Love Me Do) to the Spring 1965 (Ticket To Ride) was Beatlemania. (The U.S. and Canada hopped on board in early 1964).

Summer 1965 thru 1966 (Yesterday, Rubber Soul, Revolver) was Dylan-inspired serious lyrics.

1967 (Sgt. Pepper, Magical Mystery Tour) and 1968 (The Beatles - the white album) was the Psychedelia era.

1969 thru the breakup in April 1970 (Get Back, Abbey Road, Let It Be) was back to roots.
 
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