Crank the DeLorean up to 88, go back to 1965 and you'll hear the same statement.
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Somebody out there still believe oldies / classic hits isn't a viable format?
Actually, what I heard back then was how much Mitch Miller hated Rock 'n Roll. Although I'm sure my grandmothers didn't listen to T-40 radio even they, when visiting, wanted to hear what we kids listened to and watch us dance. And they had no objection when we flipped "American Bandstand" on. I never heard them or my parents compare that music to theirs. Maybe they were just being polite. Yes, I'm sure that's it.
Let's see...Classic Hits radio stations are found in the following cities:
NYC has WCBS-FM
L.A. has KRTH-FM
Chicago has WLS-FM
DFW has KLUV-FM
Beaumont,TX has KCOL-FM
Lake Charles,LA has KHLA-FM
Houston has.....
NYC has WCBS-FM
L.A. has KRTH-FM
Chicago has WLS-FM
DFW has KLUV-FM
Beaumont,TX has KCOL-FM
Lake Charles,LA has KHLA-FM
Houston has.....
Most of today's crap will also rot. It doesn't last but a few years at the most. So, you get no argument from me. I still listen to good old rock and roll.
Let me add to my previous comment. When I was in the seventh grade, my 42 year-old music teacher said there were only two good modern songs: Yesterday and Blowin' in the Wind
Nashville also doesn't have an oldies station. There is Hippy, but that's classic hits, not oldies.
I know y'all will think I'm weird, but I get really annoyed by the whole demographics determine what you listen to. I guess they have to base it on something, but what do they do with people like me, a 28-year-old woman who listens to classic country, bluegrass, southern gospel, 50s/60s oldies, soft rock and Irish music, mostly? Terrestrial radio has left me out in the cold a long time ago. The only local stations I ever listen to are WSM and occasionally Solid Gospel and 95.5. I prefer my southern gospel on Youtube though, as the newer stuff...nope.
I know y'all will think I'm weird, but I get really annoyed by the whole demographics determine what you listen to. I guess they have to base it on something, but what do they do with people like me, a 28-year-old woman who listens to classic country, bluegrass, southern gospel, 50s/60s oldies, soft rock and Irish music, mostly? Terrestrial radio has left me out in the cold a long time ago. The only local stations I ever listen to are WSM and occasionally Solid Gospel and 95.5. I prefer my southern gospel on Youtube though, as the newer stuff...nope.
The linked article in the OP lists KGLK as a classic hits station in Houston.
KLUV vs KCOL is day vs night....(in that order!)..but WLS-FM even sucks compared to KLUV with the personalities allowed...(IF WLS-FM would say to hell with PPM, it would be a much better station!!)
All stations are measured by PPM regardless of what a particular station does. So they can't say "to hell with PPM." It's how the audience is measured, and how ad rates are based. PPM measure listening habits more realistically than diaries.
Stations have to subscribe AND ONLY IN THE LARGER MARKETS; I can guarantee BPT has no PPM measurements...and PPM measures in ~8 sec increments....which is why jocks are not allow to talk long...I think does a horrible job...as it prevents the talent from doing what they do best...show off with jokes, puns and bits.
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FredLeonard
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What's the matter with you people? Oldies is not "Classic Hits." Oldies is Baby Boomer music, originally played on AM Top 40 stations by personality DJs. "Classic Hits" is Gen X slacker music.
But what can you expect when people call AC Oldies "Standards?"
But what can you expect when people call AC Oldies "Standards?"
The PPM is only viable in larger markets because it costs nearly double what those markets paid for the diary survey it replaced. And in those markets, only stations that are going after transactional business "need" to subscribe. Nobody "has to subscribe" anywhere.
The PPM tag is repeated up to 12 times per minute in denser material. That is around 180 times per quarter hour. It takes a minimum of one detection in three distinct minutes to get credit for the whole quarter hour. So DJs are not told to keep it brief for PPM reasons... it's a programming reason only which has nothing to do with detections.
Not really.
Oldies: 60's music core, some 50's and some early 70's. Frozen in time, and there are not many of these stations.
Classic Hits: core in the mid 70's to early 80's with a bit of early 70's and even a 60's song or two and some later 80's. Moves newer over time.
The definitions have nothing to do with the DJs or presentation, just the general era of the music.
That may be your opinion, but history says otherwise. At the height of the AM Top 40 period, Boss Radio, pioneered by Bill Drake and stations like KHJ, had rules that jocks could only talk for a few seconds. Same with Rick Sklar at WABC. The Top 40 format was built on rapid fire DJs speaking in short bursts, not extended bits.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned this: The PPM records listening, whether you subscribe or not. Subscribers receive that information. The same is true of the diary.
That's what I said in post #29. As I said, this has nothing to do with PPM, but rather listener behavior.
At some point, perhaps very soon, music from the 1990s will be added to classic hits stations. After all, that's 20 years ago.
That's true but no one pointed out that subscribers receive the information, which is why I posted.
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rbrucecarter5
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I call it oldies / classic hits because people jump all over me about the name "oldies". It implies that somehow people perceive anything "old" as "bad". Thank goodness reasonable people and some artists producing music now (and giving 60's music as their inspiration) don't make that distinction. Neither do young people listening to the format, who describe certain songs as "iconic".
And yet, when given the option between listening to "iconic" music, or music of their own generation, the vast majority prefer to listen to music from their own generation.
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