So tell us, what stations program to predominantly welfare recipients?
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Somebody out there still believe oldies / classic hits isn't a viable format?
So tell us, what stations program to predominantly welfare recipients?
Liberman is not gonna implode any time soon...though I am surprised they sold 96.9...(Leonard has stated many times in the past "We do NOT sell"...but then he sold KSEV to Dan Patrick after years of LMA). Remember the format on 98.5/103.3 before Liberman bought?? Jammin Oldies...as much as I liked it, it did not do well in ratings..
As for viable signals, DFW vs Houston?? Maybe a difference of 3 max (28 vs 25 that I count). Not half dozen.
The real issue here is that the debt service exceeds cash flow by a considerable amount. But lenders have top consider whether getting something back is better than the potential liquidation value, which might be as low as $0.25 on the dollar.
Let us compare. I am thoroughly familiar with the stations and reception in both markets.
I'll leave out lower powered exurban signals that only cover part of the market; also ignoring LPFMs and translators. And this is just for the commercial section of the band (92-108.)
Viable signals in DFW: 92.5, 93.3, 93.7, 94.1, 94.5, 94.9, 96.3, 96.7, 97.1, 97.9, 98.3, 98.7, 99.1, 99.5, 100.3, 100.7, 101.1, 101.7, 102.1, 102.9, 103.3, 103.7, 104.1, 104.5, 104.9, 105.3, 105.7, 106.1, 106.7, 107.1, 107.5, 107.9 for a total of 32.
Viable signals in Houston: 92.1, 92.9, 93.3, 93.7, 94.5, 95.7, 96.5, 97.1, 97.5, 97.9, 98.5, 99.1, 100.3, 100.7, 101.1, 102.1, 102.9, 103.3, 103.7, 104.1, 104.9, 105.7, 106.5, 106.9, 107.5, 107.9 for a total of 26.
The 107.1 in DFW and the yet-to-be-upgraded 103.3 in Houston are probably marginal for these lists, but you still have the same difference.
DFW has a more rational frequency plan, while Houston is hampered by some large gaps between stations.
Ok, I must have slightly miscounted on the Dallas signals (which I am quite familiar with too) but.........in the DFW area, 104.1 is gone (though plenty of Petitions for Reconsideration have been filed..but its out of the FCC DB now)...now a LPFM is on channel close to FTW but that doesn't count and the Sanger signal was never viable..
99.1 is a Denton signal..unlike 106.1 KHKS which is still licensed to Denton, it is not at Cedar Hill so really does not cover well (which is one reason why Z Rock and S&P from Houston did not work on it)...and city grade from it does not make N Ft Worth OR Dallas proper..At least the rims of Houston lay city grade across a good chunk, though in some cases, the wrong chunk! Bill Cordell was lucky to get 103.3 licensed to where it is now...Morris, who owned 102.9/1230 and 97.5/1450 in BPT at the time, would not let him move it 1/2 mile closer; thanks to 102.9 being a grandfathered super power at the time. In N Dallas, 99.7 is not listenable on a table top radio..(96.7 covered better from its site further away)
All of the viable Houston rimshots are 2000ft/100kW Class C except for 103.3, which will likely never get upgraded to its full 2000 ft due to land issues. But 103.3 coves a larger chunk of Houston than 107.1 does of FTW, much less Dallas since it is west of the Metroplex.
Beaumont - Port Arthur market is one reason why Houston has such wide gaps...it was in the top 100 back in the 60/70s and had a lot of Class Cs allocated (the ones not a Houston rim shot are now C0s or lower and will never get upgraded).
95.1 in Victoria also is what made a large gap in the Houston market as well..(though its moved..however, with 94.5 to 95.7 being only 1.2MHz wide, no place to drop another signal in Houston and be properly spaced). A station every 800kHz at SR starting at 92.1 WOULD be nice..but that didn't work out.
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rbrucecarter5
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I am happy for the KRBE fans in South Dallas, they got their station back! Hey - if the golden Triangle can use up a frequency for one listener of gospel music, a few dozen people in South Dallas are entitled to KRBE. And the two listeners of KLUV I know about in Houston are entitled to 98.7.
A more rational allotment would help for Houston - what happened to the concept of massive frequency swaps so a new station can move in? The process that opened 107.5 for Houston in the 80's comes to mind.
104.1 has been a popular channel for FM Mod use with KTCK-FM going off the air...however, the LPFMS are now popping up...and you can bet more will file to move to 104.1
107.5 was not a problem...only KWIC on 107.7 had to move iirc (106.9 always blocked 107.5 from moving further north at all times..since 106.9 was a Class C allotment but 107.5 could upgrade at Chocolate Bay).106.5 Class C allotment, moved from Galveston (KUFO) locked 106.9 from moving south (well.....that, Jimmy Swaggart AND IAH airport!
..The 32 station move because of KSBJ interfering with KDFM in western Liberty country was the big one and was FCC ordered..not asked for by any radio station so no one had to pay for it ALL out of their one pocket (everyone had to pay their own costs, though). It affected the non-comm band more than the non-reserved band but DID affect it in some ways due to IF Spacing requirements.Houston had 92.5 and no 92.1/92.9 at the time..and before the 1990s, certain channels could only be Class A 3kW...92.1, 101.7 and 104.9 were examples of these. Houston finally got a 92.1 when the 92.5 to 92.9 move happened and this kept 103.5/7 from being used in the Houston area proper. The move of 92.5 to 92.9 allowed 103.3 to come along (IF difference). This 10.7 IF requirement also keeps 92.1 south of town...otherwise there would be a IF spacing issue with 102.9.
Now, the Houston spacing is done...there are no 800kHz slots to move or upgrade another unless a MASSIVE move by other stations is done..and that costs the petitioner $$$$.. Noone wants to spend that amount of cash
Its not an easy thing to do..and plan...because you have to take into account signals as far as 120 miles away (CO channel) and 65-70 miles adjacent. Dallas worked out well...but even there, there was the gap of 92.5 to 94.1...93.3 was a latecomer to DFW (a 80-90 drop in) and is hemmed in..and is stuck at C2 level...its moving to downtown Dallas but having to reduce a LOT to protect Tyler....thus losing FTW coverage...It could never move to CH because of other signals south toward Waco...93.7 was a small signal in Krum until Liberman upgraded it but its still a rimshot at 2000 ft.
Nothing is perfect in either market.
Oldies and classic Top 40 radio fans...here's what we have under development for launch in late 2015/early 2016...
Update on our newest station BopRadio1 designed to bring back MAMR (Mass Appeal Music Radio) of interest to all ages worldwide. Our playlist will be the charted pop and top 40 songs from 1955-1990 that achieved worldwide following plus later and current songs of general appeal...our jingles will be ones familiar not only to listeners in the US but also to European listeners who grew up with the British pirates and Radio Luxembourg and also familiar to listeners in Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand. Our news broadcasts will concentrate on stories of worldwide interest, delivered in the entertaining styles of yesteryear and will be apolitical. We will incorporate summary weathercasts for major cities worldwide tied to the geography of the immediate listener base. Our DJs will be real talent who bring character, warmth, empathy and humor to the mix who will talk about topical events/matters of localized worldwide interest/significance supported by an on-staff researcher. In terms of logistics, we have identified the type of space we need and have already scoped out some options, we already have all the music between 1955 through 1982 and a chunk of 1983-1985 so we're close there and we're already having some of the jingles produced by both JAM Creative Productions, Inc.and TM Studios in Dallas. Note to some of my broadcast engineering friends in Houston...I will be calling you in a few months for some ongoing PAID work, not to mention the live talent we'll be hiring down the line. This is a serious venture and a lot of the groundwork stems from our eight years of experience in Internet radio beginning with Radio Bop...stay tuned! For starters, here's a familiar jingle https://soundcloud.com/harold-levine/01-bop-wls-cut2-full Hear more at https://www.facebook.com/BopRadio1
Harold Levine, PD
The Bop Radio Group
Houston, Texas USA
Update on our newest station BopRadio1 designed to bring back MAMR (Mass Appeal Music Radio) of interest to all ages worldwide. Our playlist will be the charted pop and top 40 songs from 1955-1990 that achieved worldwide following plus later and current songs of general appeal...our jingles will be ones familiar not only to listeners in the US but also to European listeners who grew up with the British pirates and Radio Luxembourg and also familiar to listeners in Hong Kong, Australia and New Zealand. Our news broadcasts will concentrate on stories of worldwide interest, delivered in the entertaining styles of yesteryear and will be apolitical. We will incorporate summary weathercasts for major cities worldwide tied to the geography of the immediate listener base. Our DJs will be real talent who bring character, warmth, empathy and humor to the mix who will talk about topical events/matters of localized worldwide interest/significance supported by an on-staff researcher. In terms of logistics, we have identified the type of space we need and have already scoped out some options, we already have all the music between 1955 through 1982 and a chunk of 1983-1985 so we're close there and we're already having some of the jingles produced by both JAM Creative Productions, Inc.and TM Studios in Dallas. Note to some of my broadcast engineering friends in Houston...I will be calling you in a few months for some ongoing PAID work, not to mention the live talent we'll be hiring down the line. This is a serious venture and a lot of the groundwork stems from our eight years of experience in Internet radio beginning with Radio Bop...stay tuned! For starters, here's a familiar jingle https://soundcloud.com/harold-levine/01-bop-wls-cut2-full Hear more at https://www.facebook.com/BopRadio1
Harold Levine, PD
The Bop Radio Group
Houston, Texas USA
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So what stations are you talking about Bruce? I would love to know.
I asked the same and got no answer.
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rbrucecarter5
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I didn't answer because the thread could turn racial. Time to move on.
No, it could not turn racial if you answered properly...however, you have backed yourself into a corner and now cannot come up with an answer without showing your 'true colors' (and I don't mean race either). Your statement was wrong and not based on truth....and now you are trying to avoid admitting it.
You already turned it racial by implication.
For someone who is so holier than thou, you wrote a check that your behind can't cash. If you are trying to say that Majic and The Box stay at the top of the ratings because black folk who you may THINK are poor is a sad misconception. Don't you think they stay near the top because they have music that appeals to everyone. Again the facts are Bruce, that most fans of hip hop today are white suburbanites. Again this all goes back to what I have been saying all along....perception ain't right but its real.
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rbrucecarter5
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I never attached a race to welfare recipient. You folks did that in your posts. You assumed I meant black - so your minds associate welfare recipient with black. That is racist. Welfare recipients can be all races. Like I said - time to move on.
No, you did it when you said "the thread could turn racial." All anyone asked was to provide facts that radio stations program to welfare recipients, as you stated.
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I agree. The digression from the focal subject of this thread is almost as bad as my recent public conversations that so many of you complained about.
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You seem to want to move on because you cannot answer your own statement because you really back yourself into a corner and have no way out without enjoying the taste of leather....if this was a discussion (or hijack) of oldies, you would not be stopping...but you put yourself in this spot...so answer the question......
"Quote Originally Posted by rbrucecarter5"
Some of these statements are laughable. Particularly when there are stations in town making a mint programming to a demographic on WELFARE.
So tell us, what stations program to predominantly welfare recipients?
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THAT was the question you have yet to answer........because YOU said it would turn racial.
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Add THAT to your list of things that will NEVER happen.
Once again, everybody is trying to paint me as a racist and that is the farthest thing from my nature. I am the one all over social media a couple of years ago saying Dancing with the Stars was rigged to give a white woman a victory instead of a black girl. I am the one on record all over social media including black girls as some of the hottest around. I am the one who let a Mexican girl live in my home for half a year while she got established in a new town.
I will also say I am racist at some level. So are you - there are certain areas of town I will not go late at night. You won't either - if you have any intelligence. That is racist, I freely admit. So you are you if you are honest. You know what I am talking about. Are you willing to travel to Furgeson if you are a white person and walk around at night? I didn't think so. You aren't stupid. But that is racist. We are all racist at some level.
Since we are all racist at some level - I think the intelligent way to be racist is to be racist against certain attitudes, certain behaviors, and certain destructive cultural norms and NOT be racist against skin color. If I hear racist things on the radio, I turn the channel. If I see a lazy unproductive individual who could otherwise work, but prefers to be on the government dole, I - as a taxpayer - am racist against that behavior, not caring if that individual is white, brown, yellow, red, or black. They are a lazy bum undeserving of any handout.
I, for one, have been characterized on here with the bigoted derogatory term "fanboy" to which I objected. The person(s) doing so did so with impunity. Because I am intelligent person, I refuse to respond to an individual of any race, belief, or personal taste with derogatory bigoted terms meant to insult them and hurt their feelings. That is not the behavior of an intelligent professional.
If you want to talk about racism, lets do so in the context of radio, which is what this forum is about. All format decisions are inherently racist, because you select to reach - or not to reach - a given audience. When I programmed at WAPN, I consciously made a decision to reach the spring breakers frequenting Daytona Beach with music that closely matched the top 40 at the time, but had a more positive, Christian message. I freely admit I had no regard whatsoever for what satanists, atheists, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and the rest of the religious spectrum wanted. So the show was racist and prejudiced in the Christian direction. I make no apologies for that. It was a Christian station - I was no more or less Christian than any other programmer on the station. When a local station decides to program in Spanish - it does so at the expense of being bigoted against the English speaking population. It has decided to exclude them - an inherently racist act. Same with Rush Limbaugh - who excludes liberals. So is the hip-hop station, which doesn't care whether whites listen or not - and outside of a trendy group of young people whites do NOT. Anybody can listen to these format choices, but they have all made a conscious effort to reach one group and exclude others, so they are racist or bigoted at some level.
We need to get over the "victim" and "fairness" mentality, realize life is NOT fair, there are always going to be victims, there will always be some sort of prejudice and bigotry, and move on.
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