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Unique OTA situations
- Thread starter Mr Tony
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so....what makes it unique (as what the topic says)???
Is Tri-Cities larger than Yakima?
Yakima is DMA 123, and includes the Tri-Cities. They are not considered separate TV markets.
But they're separate metropolitan areas. That's what he meant by one being larger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
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Same thing in southern Minnesota but not really cable stations outside of CTV2
http://ctv.coop/index.php?page=2
However, TV does not measure by MSA but by DMA.
Radio does not strictly use the OMB's Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Instead, they use the Nielsen defined Metro Survey Areas which generally, but not always, are different from the government MSAs. Yakima is #198 and the Tri Cities is #181.
Good riddance to the useless Hampton Roads translators!! Looks like some of them may be sold during the spectrum auction!!! At least they are CA and LD stations, so they qualify, but not translators like W(2 random numbers)(2 random letters). The link is here on another post in this site. http://www.radiodiscussions.com/showthread.php?695500-The-Tidewater-Hampton-Roads-has-too-many-pointless-translators&p=6106178#post6106178
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Just the Class A stations are auction eligible, LDs are not.
In a couple previous posts we mentioned Canadian border cities getting US Nets OTA....how about this unique area
Bellingham, WA
They are right on the border and get most of their OTA channels from Canada. They have 3 US local stations
KVOS 12 Me -1 Movies -2
KBCB 24 Sonlife -1 Jewelry -2
PBS translator 28 with PBS -1, NHK World -2, MHZ -3, TVW -4
Their network programming on cable is from Seattle (too far to get OTA) but OTA would be from Vancouver
Bellingham, WA
They are right on the border and get most of their OTA channels from Canada. They have 3 US local stations
KVOS 12 Me -1 Movies -2
KBCB 24 Sonlife -1 Jewelry -2
PBS translator 28 with PBS -1, NHK World -2, MHZ -3, TVW -4
Their network programming on cable is from Seattle (too far to get OTA) but OTA would be from Vancouver
Yes Bellingham is part of the Seattle market....even though Seattle stations no longer reach Bellingham.
By the way, Tri-Cities WAS a UHF island as well...until 1999. I forgot to mention the stations and channels: KFFX-11, KEPR-19, KNDU-25, KTNW-31, and KVEW-42. Fox had been on a small LPTV (KBWU-LP) on 66 which was // KAYU-28, thus cable providers didn't need to pipe in Foxnet. Same in Yakima with K53CY/K68EB/KCYU-LP. Yakima is still a UHF island in terms.
Ch 19 has about five reporters; ch 25 has about four reporters; and 42 has a couple at the most. KNDO-23 Yakima only has the one reporter, and same with KAPP-35. But the two are simulcasting each other's news nowadays.
Ch 19 has about five reporters; ch 25 has about four reporters; and 42 has a couple at the most. KNDO-23 Yakima only has the one reporter, and same with KAPP-35. But the two are simulcasting each other's news nowadays.
Anywho...back to Unique OTA situations
If you live in say Sidney, Fairview or Plentywood Montana and are OTA only. It gives you 2 NBC & 2 CBS affiliates.(unless you have an indoor antenna...outdoor antennas will easily get WIlliston)
Due to the programming schedule and time zone change you have 2 options of watching shows
CBS on both is 6-9 (KXMD runs 7-10 Central and KXGN is 6-9 Mountain). But at 9:00 KXMD goes to news while KXGN runs an hour of "Millionaire" to get back "in sequence". So Colbert is on at 9:35 on KXMD and 10:35 on KXGN
KUMV NBC Williston runs NBC from 7-10 Central (so 6-9 Mountain). KXGN-DT2 runs NBC from 7-10 Mountain. So again you can watch Fallon on KUMV at 9:35 or on KXGN-DT2 at 10:35
(this also is the same for folks who on cable have both which some areas do. In Glendive proper they have both KXGN-DT2 and KUMV but since this topic is over the air the above is more emphasized)
If you live in say Sidney, Fairview or Plentywood Montana and are OTA only. It gives you 2 NBC & 2 CBS affiliates.(unless you have an indoor antenna...outdoor antennas will easily get WIlliston)
Due to the programming schedule and time zone change you have 2 options of watching shows
CBS on both is 6-9 (KXMD runs 7-10 Central and KXGN is 6-9 Mountain). But at 9:00 KXMD goes to news while KXGN runs an hour of "Millionaire" to get back "in sequence". So Colbert is on at 9:35 on KXMD and 10:35 on KXGN
KUMV NBC Williston runs NBC from 7-10 Central (so 6-9 Mountain). KXGN-DT2 runs NBC from 7-10 Mountain. So again you can watch Fallon on KUMV at 9:35 or on KXGN-DT2 at 10:35
(this also is the same for folks who on cable have both which some areas do. In Glendive proper they have both KXGN-DT2 and KUMV but since this topic is over the air the above is more emphasized)
WWCP (FOX 8) in Johnstown, PA (Altoona-Johnstown DMA) has their tower in eastern Westmoreland County (Pittsburgh DMA).
WNEP (ABC for Scranton-Wilkes-Barre) has a translator in the Lehigh Valley (Philadelphia DMA).
Northeastern Connecticut (Putnam, Killingly, etc.) can probably get four affiliates of most networks (Boston, Hartford, Providence, Springfield) over the air. In fact, from Putnam, most Providence, Boston, and Springfield stations are closer than Hartford stations, but the only station from any of those that's seen on cable there is WGBH.
WNEP (ABC for Scranton-Wilkes-Barre) has a translator in the Lehigh Valley (Philadelphia DMA).
Northeastern Connecticut (Putnam, Killingly, etc.) can probably get four affiliates of most networks (Boston, Hartford, Providence, Springfield) over the air. In fact, from Putnam, most Providence, Boston, and Springfield stations are closer than Hartford stations, but the only station from any of those that's seen on cable there is WGBH.
Montecello, Blanding and Bluff Utah all have translators which serve their areas.
Those translators rebroadcast all the major Salt Lake City stations.
MOAB, Utah which is larger than all of them combined has no OTA available at all.
Once you get 25-35 miles North and East of MOAB, some Grand Junction Colorado
stations can be received OTA.
Those translators rebroadcast all the major Salt Lake City stations.
MOAB, Utah which is larger than all of them combined has no OTA available at all.
Once you get 25-35 miles North and East of MOAB, some Grand Junction Colorado
stations can be received OTA.
A post I made a long time ago on another thread, edited with new links:
Another related thread:
Another related thread:
Virtually all the OTA full power stations licensed to the Buffalo, NY area are
viewed by far more people outside the market than within the market. This
would include OTA reception in cities like Hamilton, Toronto and Oshawa
Ontario Canada. When you add in all the cable companies and satellite
providers, the ratio becomes over 10:1 viewing outside the Buffalo, NY area.
viewed by far more people outside the market than within the market. This
would include OTA reception in cities like Hamilton, Toronto and Oshawa
Ontario Canada. When you add in all the cable companies and satellite
providers, the ratio becomes over 10:1 viewing outside the Buffalo, NY area.
probably say the same for Burlington, VT (Montreal)
Maybe but then again I seem to recall reading awhile back somewhere ( may had been this website ) that Quebec viewers including those in Montreal tend to watch French speaking programming than to do with likewise with English. If that is indeed true I doubt the Burlington market stations would get very much in the way of viewers from Quebec. On the other hand I can see the Buffalo stations getting a chunk of viewers from Canada. Is there really much of a difference programming wise outside of news between say CTV or Global than it is with CBS or FOX ??
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