They preempted that for this?

[Mr Tony]

Here is one that doesnt make sense. A station that carries a diginet when they dont have "other" programming yet they carry paid programs instead

WDVM (the station formerly known as WHAG) Hagerstown, MD carries Heroes and Icons when they arent showing news or the few syndicated shows. But I see a couple times a day (2am-3am and 1pm-2pm) they have paid programs. Looking at the H&I schedule its not like they couldn't show what is on during that time.

 

[CTListener]

Here is one that doesnt make sense. A station that carries a diginet when they dont have "other" programming yet they carry paid programs instead

WDVM (the station formerly known as WHAG) Hagerstown, MD carries Heroes and Icons when they arent showing news or the few syndicated shows. But I see a couple times a day (2am-3am and 1pm-2pm) they have paid programs. Looking at the H&I schedule its not like they couldn't show what is on during that time.

Probably not enough time sold to infomercial providers to fill all the holes in the schedule.

 

[anotherguyTN]

Here is one that doesnt make sense. A station that carries a diginet when they dont have "other" programming yet they carry paid programs instead

WDVM (the station formerly known as WHAG) Hagerstown, MD carries Heroes and Icons when they arent showing news or the few syndicated shows. But I see a couple times a day (2am-3am and 1pm-2pm) they have paid programs. Looking at the H&I schedule its not like they couldn't show what is on during that time.

Probably like I've mentioned before with WBBJ 7.3 in Jackson, TN showing infomercials on early Sunday mornings instead of Me TV's E/I programming. They probably justify it by claiming the infomercials help pay for Me TV and they already show CBS's Saturday morning E/I programming.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Oh, how I wish these stations still had huge libraries of movies and old TV shows they could air in filler. Even if they were '50s B&W movies it would be something different than 'Larry King's Omega XL' or the 3,017,506th infomercial for the NuWave Oven.

I never thought about this.

I discovered Winston on "New Girl" was color-blind. He got new glasses that corrected this. Colors were so exciting for him. He told his fiancée (or is it his wife? I forget whether they had done the deed yet) he wanted to see "Schindler's List", "The Artist" and "Citizen Kane" in color. His wife said she had bad news for him.

 

[firepoint525]

I can't believe WREG is making more money with infomercials than they could with local ads on other programs, especially considering how they run syndicated programs late nights. I think they're just taking the rasy (and LAZY) way out.

If WREG has account execs, and they CAN'T sell local commercials during movies or what-not, maybe they should find another line of work. Five hours worth (or whatever) of infomercials just "dumbs down" the audience. And if your infomercial falls somewhere in the middle of that block, who is going to see it?

But there are lower lifeforms out that that do, and enough of these alleged humans live in Memphis and are able to scrawl something resembling a human signature on a check and mail it to the infomercials' sponsors that those sponsors continue to pay the station for the time.

I know of at least ONE radio example in which that (apparently) was NOT the case. I used to work at a so-called "Christian" talk station, and they sold time to one of these infomercial advertisers (probably colon-blow or something). At any rate, they faxed (yeah, this was at least 10-15 years ago!) a questionnaire to us questioning their complete lack of response to one of their infomercials on our station. The ad aired at, I think, about 10:30 on a Saturday morning on a small AM station! We had a pretty good signal but they were (and still are!) almost invisible in the community. Anyway, they wanted us to fax back to them an affidavit affirming that the infomercial had aired at the right time, etc., etc., etc. Apparently, they were alleging that it DIDN'T air! One of the options on the boxes to check was something like "aired at the right time, but no listener response." Fortunately, I was NOT the one in charge of responding to that infomercial advertiser, because if I had been, I would have asked them something like, "did it ever occur to you WHY that airtime was previously unsold before you bought it?" Infomercial advertisers are nothing but vultures who swoop down on unsold airtime, and then they have the gall to complain about NOT getting a response? I don't necessarily blame stations for selling to infomercial advertisers, but I still don't hold those vultures in very high regard.

 

[MarcB]

If WREG has account execs, and they CAN'T sell local commercials during movies or what-not, maybe they should find another line of work. Five hours worth (or whatever) of infomercials just "dumbs down" the audience. And if your infomercial falls somewhere in the middle of that block, who is going to see it?

I know of at least ONE radio example in which that (apparently) was NOT the case. I used to work at a so-called "Christian" talk station, and they sold time to one of these infomercial advertisers (probably colon-blow or something). At any rate, they faxed (yeah, this was at least 10-15 years ago!) a questionnaire to us questioning their complete lack of response to one of their infomercials on our station. The ad aired at, I think, about 10:30 on a Saturday morning on a small AM station! We had a pretty good signal but they were (and still are!) almost invisible in the community. Anyway, they wanted us to fax back to them an affidavit affirming that the infomercial had aired at the right time, etc., etc., etc. Apparently, they were alleging that it DIDN'T air! One of the options on the boxes to check was something like "aired at the right time, but no listener response." Fortunately, I was NOT the one in charge of responding to that infomercial advertiser, because if I had been, I would have asked them something like, "did it ever occur to you WHY that airtime was previously unsold before you bought it?" Infomercial advertisers are nothing but vultures who swoop down on unsold airtime, and then they have the gall to complain about NOT getting a response? I don't necessarily blame stations for selling to infomercial advertisers, but I still don't hold those vultures in very high regard.

I got a radio station infomercial story for you. In May 2004, after a sale an AM station with a decent 2500 watt day time signal and a poor 80 watt night signal was LMA'd to two guys who programmed a Spanish Language Adult Contemporary format 6AM-6PM. The station was free to do whatever it wanted 6PM-6AM. From 6PM-8PM the ran these brokered financial advice shows about investing in gold or some crap like that. Various time-slots 8PM-Midnight were sold to anyone who wanted to do whatever kind of show they wanted and in the unsold blocks of time they ran talk shows left over from the previous talk format. This station's GM sold the Midnight-6AM time-slot to infomercial products. Purity Products and other crap like that. Anyway said GM sold them the block of time at the brokered rate for daytime programming rather than the brokered rate for night time programming. He ripped off the infomercial producers like the infomercial producers rip off the people buying their products.

 

[anotherguyTN]

If WREG has account execs, and they CAN'T sell local commercials during movies or what-not, maybe they should find another line of work. Five hours worth (or whatever) of infomercials just "dumbs down" the audience. And if your infomercial falls somewhere in the middle of that block, who is going to see it?

I know of at least ONE radio example in which that (apparently) was NOT the case. I used to work at a so-called "Christian" talk station, and they sold time to one of these infomercial advertisers (probably colon-blow or something). At any rate, they faxed (yeah, this was at least 10-15 years ago!) a questionnaire to us questioning their complete lack of response to one of their infomercials on our station. The ad aired at, I think, about 10:30 on a Saturday morning on a small AM station! We had a pretty good signal but they were (and still are!) almost invisible in the community. Anyway, they wanted us to fax back to them an affidavit affirming that the infomercial had aired at the right time, etc., etc., etc. Apparently, they were alleging that it DIDN'T air! One of the options on the boxes to check was something like "aired at the right time, but no listener response." Fortunately, I was NOT the one in charge of responding to that infomercial advertiser, because if I had been, I would have asked them something like, "did it ever occur to you WHY that airtime was previously unsold before you bought it?" Infomercial advertisers are nothing but vultures who swoop down on unsold airtime, and then they have the gall to complain about NOT getting a response? I don't necessarily blame stations for selling to infomercial advertisers, but I still don't hold those vultures in very high regard.

I'm sure you're talking about WNQM in Nashville, and I've heard other Christian stations that had infomercials for questionable junk that they shouldn't have been carrying. KSUD in West Memphis, AR had a CCM format that I liked when they played music, but when they didn't they were no better than a dollar a holler station in some of the preachers they had. And they would drop infomercials in the middle of what were usually music blocks on weekends. I've wondered why some Christian stations, even ones that were operated by Christian owners, would have high standards of not allowing ads on for businesses that Christians would object to like alcohol, etc., but then carry infomercials for questionable junk that are ripoffs.

 

[firepoint525]

I got a radio station infomercial story for you. In May 2004, after a sale an AM station with a decent 2500 watt day time signal and a poor 80 watt night signal was LMA'd to two guys who programmed a Spanish Language Adult Contemporary format 6AM-6PM. The station was free to do whatever it wanted 6PM-6AM. From 6PM-8PM the ran these brokered financial advice shows about investing in gold or some crap like that. Various time-slots 8PM-Midnight were sold to anyone who wanted to do whatever kind of show they wanted and in the unsold blocks of time they ran talk shows left over from the previous talk format. This station's GM sold the Midnight-6AM time-slot to infomercial products. Purity Products and other crap like that. Anyway said GM sold them the block of time at the brokered rate for daytime programming rather than the brokered rate for night time programming. He ripped off the infomercial producers like the infomercial producers rip off the people buying their products.

I'm sure you're talking about WNQM in Nashville, and I've heard other Christian stations that had infomercials for questionable junk that they shouldn't have been carrying. KSUD in West Memphis, AR had a CCM format that I liked when they played music, but when they didn't they were no better than a dollar a holler station in some of the preachers they had. And they would drop infomercials in the middle of what were usually music blocks on weekends. I've wondered why some Christian stations, even ones that were operated by Christian owners, would have high standards of not allowing ads on for businesses that Christians would object to like alcohol, etc., but then carry infomercials for questionable junk that are ripoffs.

It was indeed WNQM, and ironically enough, they also LMA'd to Spanish-language programming, but only to about midnight. Overnights were Point of View (probably the best of the bunch), but also R.G. Stair, and I think now, the University Network (the late Dr. Gene Scott). Dead air (or just signing off!) would probably have been preferable to most of this! I don't know for sure because they don't even have a program guide on their website, and I don't usually stay up that late anymore.

 

[charlestondxman]

If WREG has account execs, and they CAN'T sell local commercials during movies or what-not, maybe they should find another line of work. Five hours worth (or whatever) of infomercials just "dumbs down" the audience. And if your infomercial falls somewhere in the middle of that block, who is going to see it?

I know of at least ONE radio example in which that (apparently) was NOT the case. I used to work at a so-called "Christian" talk station, and they sold time to one of these infomercial advertisers (probably colon-blow or something). At any rate, they faxed (yeah, this was at least 10-15 years ago!) a questionnaire to us questioning their complete lack of response to one of their infomercials on our station. The ad aired at, I think, about 10:30 on a Saturday morning on a small AM station! We had a pretty good signal but they were (and still are!) almost invisible in the community. Anyway, they wanted us to fax back to them an affidavit affirming that the infomercial had aired at the right time, etc., etc., etc. Apparently, they were alleging that it DIDN'T air! One of the options on the boxes to check was something like "aired at the right time, but no listener response." Fortunately, I was NOT the one in charge of responding to that infomercial advertiser, because if I had been, I would have asked them something like, "did it ever occur to you WHY that airtime was previously unsold before you bought it?" Infomercial advertisers are nothing but vultures who swoop down on unsold airtime, and then they have the gall to complain about NOT getting a response? I don't necessarily blame stations for selling to infomercial advertisers, but I still don't hold those vultures in very high regard.

WREG does. In fact, we had a local radio host in Charleston, SC (he did sports talk and called Citadel football) who moved there to do that particular job.

 

[Mr Tony]

so tomorrow morning KEYC-DT2 (Fox Mankato, MN) is pre-empting/delaying Fox News Sunday for......E/I.
They are showing E/I from 7-9am and pushed Fox News Sunday to 2AM Sunday Night

now depending on what guide listings you look at there is conflicting info
tvguide.com and my Tivo show E/I from 7-9 and then World Cup today at 9am
titantv shows E/I from 7-10 pre-empting both FNS AND the pre-game for the World Cup
zap2it shows nothing out of the ordinary and both national programming on at the right time

This is what happens when you get the perfect storm
-requirement of 3 hours of E/I weekly
-national programming starting real early (World Cup started at 6am today) and running all day
-you don't sign on until 5:30am on weekends

 

[Mr Tony]

so tomorrow morning KEYC-DT2 (Fox Mankato, MN) is pre-empting/delaying Fox News Sunday for......E/I.
They are showing E/I from 7-9am and pushed Fox News Sunday to 2AM Sunday Night

now depending on what guide listings you look at there is conflicting info
tvguide.com and my Tivo show E/I from 7-9 and then World Cup today at 9am
titantv shows E/I from 7-10 pre-empting both FNS AND the pre-game for the World Cup
zap2it shows nothing out of the ordinary and both national programming on at the right time

This is what happens when you get the perfect storm
-requirement of 3 hours of E/I weekly
-national programming starting real early (World Cup started at 6am today) and running all day
-you don't sign on until 5:30am on weekends

DAMN...they pre-empted both Fox News Sunday (to 2am tomorrow morning) and the World Cup pre-show thing for E/I programming. They did join the World Cup at 10am (the start of it)

 

[crainbebo]

I have no idea why ALL World Cup games are on Fox anyways. The United States isn't playing this year. They could all be on FS1 (except for a couple on weekends) and the affiliates, news anchors and program directors would be happy. But OTOH, I love that Fox affiliates aren't able to run Steve Wilkos, Maury or Jerry Springer due to World Cup...

 

[CTListener]

I have no idea why ALL World Cup games are on Fox anyways. The United States isn't playing this year. They could all be on FS1 (except for a couple on weekends) and the affiliates, news anchors and program directors would be happy. But OTOH, I love that Fox affiliates aren't able to run Steve Wilkos, Maury or Jerry Springer due to World Cup...

Guessing that the contract with FIFA would prohibit Fox trying to hide the games on FS1. Also, advertisers -- who are probably getting make-goods anyway for decreased overall viewership -- still pay more for OTA Fox than cable/satellite-only FS1.

 

[davideduardo]

Guessing that the contract with FIFA would prohibit Fox trying to hide the games on FS1. Also, advertisers -- who are probably getting make-goods anyway for decreased overall viewership -- still pay more for OTA Fox than cable/satellite-only FS1.

Payment by advertisers is based on delivery guarantees, no matter if an OTA or a cable-only network is the provider. In this case, I think your first assumption regarding the FIFA contract is the correct one.

 

[danderson6500]

Some time back, a thread on the '506 Sports' forum (some of whose regular posters also post here) mentioned that the bulk of the country saw the Brewers-Orioles game, and ABC only had Drysdale at Candlestick Park for cut-ins.

I wonder if ABC had Drysdale there in case also of if the game was rained out, and a makeup game was needed- which ABC would have carried instead of a movie that was scheduled because of the NFL strike.

 

[danderson6500]

I wonder if there was a provision in the TV deals about makeup games- if it was needed to decide a division, if NBC or ABC would preempt programming. ESPN showed a makeup game once-when it was needed to decide the AL central one year.

 

[onairb2014]

I wonder if ABC had Drysdale there in case also of if the game was rained out, and a makeup game was needed- which ABC would have carried instead of a movie that was scheduled because of the NFL strike.

ABC also had the Braves-Padres game that Sunday. I don't think ABC had much of a camera crew at Candlestick, so I doubt they could have managed a full telecast.

 

[onairb2014]

In the 14 seasons (1976-89) that ABC and NBC shared baseball, only one 'day after the season finale' makeup game was required to determine a playoff spot(and at that, only 'half' a spot; in 1981, the Royals had to go to Cleveland to settle the AL West 'second half' title(after that year's strike). That game, which the Royals won, gave them the second-half division title by a full game over the first-half champs, the A's(who ended up beating the Royals in the first round, anyway). That game was not televised.

Earlier, in 1973, NBC did not air a makeup game between the Met and Cubs at Wrigley(the Mets won, to clinch the NL East, and avoid having to play a second game that day, which would have been winner-take all).

Both networks did, of course, have contingencies to show game 162 if a division title was on the line(see Tigers vs. Blue Jays in '87, or the potential (but not needed)Blue Jays-Orioles game in '89, which were and would have been on ABC.
The rule back then('84 through '89) followed an 'odd year/even year' rotation; in an odd year, ABC had the rights to Game 162(final day of season), and NBC would have done 163 if needed. Even years would have had the opposite setup. ABC had Monday '163rd' games in 1978(AL East, Yankees-Red Sox) and 1980(NL West, Astros-Dodgers). There had been no coverage of the Sunday Game 162 in 1978, but that would change effective with a new TV contract in 1980.

 

[CTListener]

Earlier, in 1973, NBC did not air a makeup game between the Met and Cubs at Wrigley(the Mets won, to clinch the NL East, and avoid having to play a second game that day, which would have been winner-take all).

Not really winner-take-all, because the Cubs were done for the year, win or lose. St. Louis was the other team in the race, so that makeup doubleheader at Wrigley was only meaningful to the Mets. As I recall only 2,000 or so fans turned up, which made the decision to call off the nightcap that much easier.

 

[danderson6500]

In the 14 seasons (1976-89) that ABC and NBC shared baseball, only one 'day after the season finale' makeup game was required to determine a playoff spot(and at that, only 'half' a spot; in 1981, the Royals had to go to Cleveland to settle the AL West 'second half' title(after that year's strike). That game, which the Royals won, gave them the second-half division title by a full game over the first-half champs, the A's(who ended up beating the Royals in the first round, anyway). That game was not televised.

Earlier, in 1973, NBC did not air a makeup game between the Met and Cubs at Wrigley(the Mets won, to clinch the NL East, and avoid having to play a second game that day, which would have been winner-take all).

Both networks did, of course, have contingencies to show game 162 if a division title was on the line(see Tigers vs. Blue Jays in '87, or the potential (but not needed)Blue Jays-Orioles game in '89, which were and would have been on ABC.
The rule back then('84 through '89) followed an 'odd year/even year' rotation; in an odd year, ABC had the rights to Game 162(final day of season), and NBC would have done 163 if needed. Even years would have had the opposite setup. ABC had Monday '163rd' games in 1978(AL East, Yankees-Red Sox) and 1980(NL West, Astros-Dodgers). There had been no coverage of the Sunday Game 162 in 1978, but that would change effective with a new TV contract in 1980.

I believe that ESPN has the rights to all potential regular-season tiebreaker games these days- and that would also include any 'day after the season finale' makeup games. In 2008 that happened, and ESPN2 carried the Tigers-White Sox game because the White Sox were a half game back of the Twins, and the game was required.