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The ideal adult standards format

Standards was new in 1989, and it has done quite well, if not financially.
It helps to figure out if we're talking about the music or the format.

The music---stuff from the Great American Songbook era---was what mainline radio stations like WNEW in New York, KMPC in Los Angeles and KSFO in San Francisco played up until the middle 1960s, when it became clear that to stay relevant in the sales demographic (then 18-49), more contemporary music needed to be mixed in.

Of course, over time, the newer music took over. Most artists who recorded standards or became popular doing so lost their recording contracts in the 1970s. Exceptions were Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Andy Williams, Johnny Mathis and a handful of others. And most of them were simply recording easy-listening covers of Top 40 hits.

Between the demographic pressure and the huge drop in new output from established "adult" artists, those stations by and large went to Adult Contemporary around 1973-ish. At that time, Adult Contemporary was largely what the Top 40 stations were playing, with the hardest records left out and an oldies library based on 1950's/60's Top 40 that went back further than the Top 40 stations went.

When that happened, a lot of traditional "adult" listeners jumped to Beautiful (or elevator) Music stations, largely on FM. These people were by then in their 50s and 60s and the Buicks, Lincolns and Cadillacs they had aspired to were generally equipped with FM radios.

As the decade of the 70s wore on, many of the AM stations that had morphed into Adult Contemporary found that young adult listeners had, in large part, either stayed with Top 40, moved on to Album Rock, or other formats---and hadn't fully replaced the over-50 audience that left when the music changed.

The year that Standards as a format really started was 1978. That's when Al Ham launched the original Music of Your Life and WNEW returned to its Great American Songbook roots. Others followed---KDWN in Las Vegas around 1980, KPRZ, Los Angeles in 1981, KMPC in 1982. KFRC, San Francisco switched from Top 40 to standards in 1986.

And by the mid-1990s, it was pretty much over in terms of commercial viability.

I was a weird kid. I grew up with this music and I liked it. But the audience was my parents. If they were alive, my dad would be 103 and my mom would be 98. I'm three and a half months from turning 65---way outside any profitable sales demo.

Mixing in softer AC songs is basically history repeating itself---the same thing stations did in the 1960s. And the takeover of these formats by that music is the same thing that happened in 1973.

I programmed AC stations in the 1970s. Forty years ago, I was aiming for and got 40-year olds with this music (Melissa Manchester, Barry Manilow---heck, even Steely Dan).

Those people are 80 now.

It's great music and I'll always love it. But at the moment the Beatles are becoming an endangered species on the radio, you have to know that tempus has done fugited. The only mass-appeal tolerance for this music and these artists among a salable audience is in the all-Christmas format.
 
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"When that happened, a lot of traditional "adult" listeners jumped to Beautiful (or elevator) Music stations, largely on FM. These people were by then in their 50s and 60s and the Buicks, Lincolns and Cadillacs they had aspired to were generally equipped with FM radios."

Before AC moved on from being just an updated MOR format, it was not uncommon for a Beautiful music station to get good ratings from other demographics, including 18-34 Women, my wife included!
 
"When that happened, a lot of traditional "adult" listeners jumped to Beautiful (or elevator) Music stations, largely on FM. These people were by then in their 50s and 60s and the Buicks, Lincolns and Cadillacs they had aspired to were generally equipped with FM radios."

Before AC moved on from being just an updated MOR format, it was not uncommon for a Beautiful music station to get good ratings from other demographics, including 18-34 Women, my wife included!
Just checked the Spring '83 Los Angeles book---arguably the peak of Beautiful.

KBIG was #2 overall, and #1 25-54. But it was #3 18-49, #11 18-34 and #22 in teens.

That's only one of two Beautifuls in the market at the time (KOST had gone AC in fall of '82).

KJOI was #5 overall, #7 25-54, #13 18-49, #19 18-34 and #29 in teens.

Those are remarkably strong numbers among younger audiences. And since the format skewed female, 18-34 Females was probably stronger than 18-34 Adults.
 
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Between the demographic pressure and the huge drop in new output from established "adult" artists, those stations by and large went to Adult Contemporary around 1973-ish. At that time, Adult Contemporary was largely what the Top 40 stations were playing, with the hardest records left out and an oldies library based on 1950's/60's Top 40 that went back further than the Top 40 stations went.
I don't remember oldies on the AC station except on a special program on weekends. I do remember hearing "Moon River" for some reason.

This is a reply to what's below. I can't seem to get it to work. I remember reading that the beautiful music stations at that time were targeting listeners over 30. The only Steely Dan song I liked was "Hey Nineteen" although I once heard a great instrumental version of "Josie" on a mall's sound system (AEI was the company).
I was aiming for and got 40-year olds with this music (Melissa Manchester, Barry Manilow---heck, even Steely Dan).
 
Just checked the Spring '83 Los Angeles book---arguably the peak of Beautiful.

KBIG was #2 overall, and #1 25-54. But it was #3 18-49, #11 18-34 and #22 in teens.

That's only one of two Beautifuls in the market at the time (KOST had gone AC in fall of '82).

KJOI was #5 overall, #7 25-54, #13 18-49, #19 18-34 and #29 in teens.

Those are remarkably strong numbers among younger audiences. And since the format skewed female, 18-34 Females was probably stronger than 18-34 Adults.
I would say that the Total 18-34 numbers are skewed dramatically by the almost nonexistent Male numbers, who flocked to AOR in droves! Female rank must've been much higher!
 
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Spring 1983
Men 25-54
Beautiful Music KBIG 32, KOST #9
Rock: KLOS and KMET 5th and 6th

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Radio ratings summaries 1976-2002 at DUNCAN'S AMERICAN RADIO - Arbitron ratings 1975 - 2002 - All Markets
I was referring to Men 18-34. I did not mean to suggest that 50 year old men(who are now 87)were flocking to KMET and KLOS in droves! Also, I don't believe that 1983 was the peak of Beautiful Music but rather the beginning of the end. It was at about this time, that many markets' leading B/EZ dropped the format and the second one in line became the leader. Not long after that, the format evolved to Easy Listening. I would guess that the peak was between when MOR evolved to Full Service AC and after other AC formats evolved from Top 40. I'm thinking the mid to late 70s.
 
I was referring to Men 18-34. I did not mean to suggest that 50 year old men(who are now 87)were flocking to KMET and KLOS in droves! Also, I don't believe that 1983 was the peak of Beautiful Music but rather the beginning of the end. It was at about this time, that many markets' leading B/EZ dropped the format and the second one in line became the leader. Not long after that, the format evolved to Easy Listening. I would guess that the peak was between when MOR evolved to Full Service AC and after other AC formats evolved from Top 40. I'm thinking the mid to late 70s.
Well, extrapolating from what David gave us (Men 25-54)---KBIG was 32nd....but it was #1 in Adults 25-54, so it was clearly #1 in Women 25-54.

What I was hoping for was Women 18-34. 11th place in Adults 18-34 suggests certainly a top-10 ranking for KBIG in Women 18-34.

Beautiful had a sustained peak, beginning around 1976 and topping out around '83-'84. I found Women 18-34 for three Los Angeles books in 1978, Jan-Feb, April-May and July-August. KBIG was either #4 or #5 in that demo in every one of those books.
 
David, can we see Women 18-34?

You can check almost all the Duncan books from the very start to the end at the link. But the age rankers only go to #10.
 
Maybe the soft AC stations on FM played gold, but I don't recall the AM in the 70s doing it.
I was talking about the AMs in the 1970s, AC before "continuous soft hits". I don't know which AM you're referring to, but for most of them, gold was a critical element. Again, most were around 40% gold, but some flipped the equation and went 60% gold/40% currents.
 
I was talking about the AMs in the 1970s, AC before "continuous soft hits". I don't know which AM you're referring to, but for most of them, gold was a critical element. Again, most were around 40% gold, but some flipped the equation and went 60% gold/40% currents.
Agreed. I was PD of WERC, the heritage AM in Birmingham, AL, in 1972. We made a conversion from old-line MOR to AC, and played "chicken rock" plus a lot of gold. By that time, recurrents and gold were a key part of Top 40, and we scaled down Top 40 by not playing the Allman Brothers but emphaizing "Ben" and "The Morning After" instead. The mix was about 40% current, 20% recurrent and 40% gold going back about 8 to 10 years.
 
Maybe someone could revive 1540 AM and bring back Adult Standards to the AM band, maybe a mix of WPEN's old format with Geater Gold radio. Andy Kortman was great doing this show on 1360 am a few years back.

Just an idea.
 
Maybe someone could revive 1540 AM and bring back Adult Standards to the AM band, maybe a mix of WPEN's old format with Geater Gold radio. Andy Kortman was great doing this show on 1360 am a few years back.

Just an idea.
But again---what's the audience for it? Unless you're talking about outliers like myself (who will only listen occasionally), this isn't a 50+ format or even a 65+ format---it's a 90+ format.
 
Agreed. I was PD of WERC, the heritage AM in Birmingham, AL, in 1972. We made a conversion from old-line MOR to AC, and played "chicken rock" plus a lot of gold. By that time, recurrents and gold were a key part of Top 40, and we scaled down Top 40 by not playing the Allman Brothers but emphaizing "Ben" and "The Morning After" instead. The mix was about 40% current, 20% recurrent and 40% gold going back about 8 to 10 years.
"The Morning After" was a big hit in the summer of 1973, so I assume you must have stayed at WERC at least one more year, otherwise congratulations for breaking it months before anyone else even knew it existed!

"Ben" is a song I found cringeworthy (not that anyone was using that term) then and still do today. But I still hear it on quite a few classic hits stations that still go back to the early '70s, so I guess it resonates today while "Shannon," "Seasons in the Sun" and (of course) "You Light Up My Life" have been unplayable for many years. Any ideas why a drippy love song to a rat is still on radio, other than the fact that Michael Jackson sang it?
 
"Ben" is a song I found cringeworthy (not that anyone was using that term) then and still do today. But I still hear it on quite a few classic hits stations that still go back to the early '70s, so I guess it resonates today while "Shannon," "Seasons in the Sun" and (of course) "You Light Up My Life" have been unplayable for many years. Any ideas why a drippy love song to a rat is still on radio, other than the fact that Michael Jackson sang it?
Beats me. That should be the one no one wants to acknowledge.
 
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