93.1 move back to wtc

[Joylovepulse967]

Here a from radio insight FCC Report 4/11: The Final 9/11 Displacement Seeks To Make Its Move Permanent - RadioInsight

 

[Kemosabe]

Where does the article state that WPAT-FM will return to the World Trade Center?

 

[lanceventa]

Where does the article state that WPAT-FM will return to the World Trade Center?

Spoiler: It doesn't... WPAT-FM has applied to make its 20 year STA on the Empire State Building permanent.

 

[Joylovepulse967]

Spoiler: It doesn't... WPAT-FM has applied to make its 20 year STA on the Empire State Building permanent.

I’m sorry. I did wrong read your article

 

[Ryan Williams]

I haven't been to New York metro in a number of years. Out of curiosity, is there a substantial signal difference between 93.1's STA at 4.8 kW and the ESB signals at the same height with 6 kW (92.3, 100.3, 101.9, etc)?

(Just to be clear, I know what the difference looks like on a contour map, but in real world listening, is it significant?)

 

[luperm]

I haven't been to New York metro in a number of years. Out of curiosity, is there a substantial signal difference between 93.1's STA at 4.8 kW and the ESB signals at the same height with 6 kW (92.3, 100.3, 101.9, etc)?

(Just to be clear, I know what the difference looks like on a contour map, but in real world listening, is it significant?)

Anecdotally, not much that I have noticed. Maybe it takes a hit around the edges (particularly in areas closer to co-channels and first adjacents), but certainly no noticeable degradation to my ear in the city and metro area.

 

[djl]

Anecdotally, not much that I have noticed. Maybe it takes a hit around the edges (particularly in areas closer to co-channels and first adjacents), but certainly no noticeable degradation to my ear in the city and metro area.

Even from other ESB stations operating at less than 6KW, you do see degraded signal closer in than the full power stations. The lower power also takes a hit on the HD channels.

 

[luperm]

Even from other ESB stations operating at less than 6KW, you do see degraded signal closer in than the full power stations. The lower power also takes a hit on the HD channels.

It is similar to WBLS. I don’t notice much of a difference between WBLS and the “full” Class B facilities. There may be some degradation out on the fringes, but I would not call it an inferior facility like WQXR, which at 610 watts, has a noticeably inferior signal.

 

[semoochie]

I decided to borrow this thread for a similar topic. It has just come to my attention that there are six NYC buildings that are higher than Empire! The reason I didn't know about them is because they were all built after the replacement for the World Trade Center. That makes five more solid options to move off of ESB! Has anyone considered any of these buildings?

 

[Marcos_C]

It has just come to my attention that there are six NYC buildings that are higher than Empire! The reason I didn't know about them is because they were all built after the replacement for the World Trade Center. That makes five more solid options to move off of ESB! Has anyone considered any of these buildings?

I know that One World Trade Center has an antenna, but does any of the others have one?

 

[djl]

Regardless, they are too close to a co-channel station I’m PA so they can only go full power from 1WTC as it’s further downtown and away from ESB

 

[Ai4i]

Out of curiosity, is there a substantial signal difference between 93.1's STA at 4.8 kW and the ESB signals at the same height with 6 kW (92.3, 100.3, 101.9, etc)?

Exactly one dB.

 

[MVB13]

The signal is decent at times in West Milford. I usually gage the strength of NYC signals by using its strength in West Milford which is roughly the furthest north that the NYC signals go without interference. With the mountains it's helpful to decide how strong a signal is. WBLS's signal is clear there too. 105.9 can be spotty as can 103.9; which are not full market signals.

 

[semoochie]

I know that One World Trade Center has an antenna, but does any of the others have one?

That's a good question. I'm just surprised that no one has ever mentioned these other buildings!

 

[djl]

That's a good question. I'm just surprised that no one has ever mentioned these other buildings

That's a good question. I'm just surprised that no one has ever mentioned these other buildings!

I would assume 1 Vanderbilt must cause multipath issues with the ESB signals.

 

[luperm]

So much money has already been invested in the ESB, WTC and 4TS sites. Given the significant cost of rent, engineering, and construction, I doubt there are plans to build yet another broadcast facility in Manhattan. I have not heard of any noticeable changes in radio reception. To date, there has been no radio broadcaster interest in the WTC site (except for a translator).

 

[fybush]

The other new buildings are "supertall" towers that are entirely residential. Their floorplates are very small, and they're designed to have ultra-luxury $100 million penthouses at the top, not broadcast rental.

 

[semoochie]

The other new buildings are "supertall" towers that are entirely residential. Their floorplates are very small, and they're designed to have ultra-luxury $100 million penthouses at the top, not broadcast rental.

Thank you, that might explain it. Nevertheless, there are new taller buildings going up all the time so it might just be a matter of time before someone wants a share of that income although I have to admit, whatever the amount is, it has to pale next to a hundred million dollar penthouse!