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Tim Conway Jr. Suspended Next Week. Anyone know Why?
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That would be a good thing. But, unlikely to happen with on most of the current shows on these type stations.
How politically correct with your social justice virtue signaling for you to say that.
Do you feel better now?
KFI needs Tim Conway, Jr., more than Tim Conway, Jr., needs KFI. It's a great gig, for sure, but he has been a ratings powerhouse for them at night. If I were them I wouldn't push him too hard come contract negotiatin' time....
On the other hand, people who are not racists don't need to be telling people about it. I frequently find people who say things like "I have lots of Hispanic (or Black or Asian) friends" actually don't and are covering up their prejudices by saying so.
Or, you know — people just want to be nice to other people.
"I'm scared I'll come across as virtual signaling, so I'm going to treat everyone like trash — just to be safe."
It sucked me in. I wasn't even living in California at the time — leaving a wedding reception back in 2011 and flipped on KFI to hear some guy heckling a local news story. I actually bought my first smartphone so I could download iHeartRadio to listen to the show while I was fighting a 90-minute-each-way commute in Salt Lake City. Conway podcasts saved me in that job. And pulled me into being a regular Bill Handel listener, too.
Conway show is just the right balance of being newsy without drowning in talk radio's political partisanship. Feels like a bunch of people just hanging out, which is exactly what I need at the end of the day. Can't believe I've been listening for a decade now. Glad to hear the ratings numbers have been panning out for KFI.
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About not resorting to racist stereotypes and mockery? Yeah, it feels fine to not be the kind of person who thinks that kind of reprehensible behavior is acceptable.
Any more ludicrous buzzwords you want to throw around as if not being an awful person is somehow an insult?
And you of course were able to conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were prejudiced and were able to call them so without regard for any other less malevolent reasons for their words or actions that might contradict your conclusion, and thus don't mind accusing them (albeit without naming their names) in a public forum such as this.
If you frequently find that people are racists, you probably need to check your own assumptions. News flash: In 2021, the vast majority of Americans are not racists.
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There’s not an objective way to determine whether the vast majority of Americans are racist. We can however look at behaviors like using racial and ethnic stereotypes in so-called comedy. At the unconscionable attacks on various communities. At the influence and spread of hate speech and rhetoric online. (And on and on.)
Whether it represents a case majority is beside the point. It is indefensible and deserves to be roundly condemned as such.
Whether it represents a case majority is beside the point. It is indefensible and deserves to be roundly condemned as such.
Congratulations for joining hundreds of millions of Americans for taking such a bold stance against racism. I am very proud of you. Just not as quite as proud as you seem to be of yourself.
Do you prefer people remain silent about racism and bigotry? That hasn’t worked out so well.
Some Americans try not to be racist. Sometimes we accidentally are racist anyway. We just didn't know.
Some Americans try not to be racist. Sometimes we are accidentally self righteous. We just didn't know.
As G.I. Joe taught us, "knowing is half the battle." The second half is doing better. And we all can work on that.
I think that's right. The difference is we used to care about being polite. We might say something when no one was around, but when we're in public, we try to be polite. Not any more. Nobody has a filter any more. Just like the ex-president.
Yes, by engaging in further conversation. What I said became obvious through their deeper comments of "anyone different from them" which included color, race, ethnicity, educational level, income level, etc.
As I said, people who make that kind of statement often turn out to be covering up deeper confusion or difficulty in dealing with people unlike themselves. And that is why I said "actually"; that means "on further investigation". Statements like "I have lots of (fill in ethnic or racial group) friends" is a tell that you may... or may not... be dealing with a person of prejudice and such people have to be treated with caution.
I don't frequently find racists. In fact, I seldom find racist people but my friends, family and closest associates all comment on being occasional victims of racism.
However, if one is Hispanic (the situation I am part of) it is indeed frequent to find non-Hispanic whites, who don't quite get how to deal with "different" people, trying to pretend they are friendly with a minority group they don't quite understand or "get". So they make those "I have lots of Hispanic friends". Actually, the closest they get to that is liking Geraldo River on some Fox show and singing along with Feliciano at Christmas time. Oh, and some of those Hispanics guys play ball really well!
In fact, nearly all of us have been in similar situations to this one that happened to me in LA some years back: a friend (who has two masters degrees) and I (who was VP of the largest Hispanic broadcast company) were chatting in a long checkout line for something one of us wanted to get after going out for lunch. We were in "casual Friday" attire. After a while, the white woman (woman, not lady) behind us said, "none of you will ever get a good paying job if you don't speak English". And she snarled in a nasty feline fashion.
But, since I don't regularly associate in person with "non-Hispanic whites" I don't see this often, so I can't tell if there are many or few similar bitches.
Another example: on a four legged call to the Volvo account in New York City, the ad manager turned our Spanish language stations down, saying "your listeners don't buy our cars; they steal them". Of course, in Puerto Rico, where most Hispanic New Yorkers come from, for many decades Volvo was the preferred upscale car due to its endurance and ability to navigate bad and winding roads; it was the Cadillac and the Mercedes of finer cars there.
So, yes, there are bigots and racists. And yes, there are tells that indicate a possible racist that generally prove accurate following further dialogue.
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Ah yes, you mean where it was recently reported that Barack Obama called the Tea Party Patriots racists with an epithet that I will not repeat here, but you are free to check the link.
Obama said the right-wing Tea Party movement consisted of 'racist motherf---ers,' new book says
Obama reportedly unloaded on the GOP-aligned group in private and also referred to Trump as a "f---ing lunatic" and a "corrupt motherf---er."
www.businessinsider.com
I see what you did there and join you in condeming his racist remarks regarding his fellow Americans and the vulgar, disgusting words he used to issue them.
I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore.
As far as the bit on Conway's show goes... It was perhaps in poor taste and I didn't find it funny, but I am not convinced it fits a classical definition of racism. Stereotypes in and of themselves do not necessarily equal racism. In my opinion, that word is thrown around way too loosely these days. I've listened to Tim for years and I do not believe he is a racist at all.
As far as the bit on Conway's show goes... It was perhaps in poor taste and I didn't find it funny, but I am not convinced it fits a classical definition of racism. Stereotypes in and of themselves do not necessarily equal racism. In my opinion, that word is thrown around way too loosely these days. I've listened to Tim for years and I do not believe he is a racist at all.
The key word in the story is "reportedly." Did he say it on the most listened-to talk radio station in LA? No. Was he even president at the time? No. Does tape of it exist? Not that I'm aware of. Did Nixon and LBJ use crude language. Yes. But it was in private. Not on KFI.
There's a difference. As I said, we all may have told our cute Polish jokes in private, but not on the radio.
That can happen with people of the best intent. When living in Ecuador, I'd hear about or actually see a non Ecuadorian gesturing with a flat hand out to indicated the height of their children or a child they had seen on the street... a flat-handed measure, in that era, was used to indicate the height of a dog or animal.
A small offense, but an example of how cultural norms not understood by an "outsider" can cause misinterpreted impressions of one's cultural sensitivity.
Oh, so your ok with private overt racist remarks, just not ones that are uttered on the largest radio station in town? Got it.
Me too. And I think that's the gist of this thread:
Racism isn't an "on/off" switch. We all believe in the American ideals of social equality. We are also human — and nature wired us to be crappy to other people we see as different. Ours is a life-long battle to fight our baser nature. We all fail at it from time to time.
Sometimes we don't realize we failed at it until we hurt someone else and they point it out, (i.e., Timmy screwed up. He's human.)
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