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Alt Buffalo Flips To Country 107.7/104.7 The Wolf

I don't expect WLKK to have any live local talent. They'll maximize their investment in syndicated talent by clearing as many national spots as possible. If they get local numbers and can sell them, so much the better. In theory, bestowing the "blessings" of "big city talent" on the rubes in WNY will attract the ears of people interested in country music. It's what iHeart did in the majority of its markets, and that's the model that Audiocy is following. The result for iHeart was bankruptcy, restructuring, mass firings, and screwing a lot of investors. We await the results for Audiocy. I'm guessing that the Field family will experience about what the Dickey family experienced with Cumulus.
Nailed it, Rox.

To me it’s looking more and more like the CBS acquisition was something David wanted so badly but just too much for Joe Field’s original company to take.

But as the old saying goes, “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it “.
 
Nailed it, Rox. To me it’s looking more and more like the CBS acquisition was something David wanted so badly but just too much for Joe Field’s original company to take. But as the old saying goes, “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it “.
"BSD Syndrome." But the guys at the top always land safely on dry terrain thanks to their platinum parachutes. The brilliant Farid Suleman landed with $30 million cash after driving Citadel into the turf. Howard Stern once recalled on the air that when he was with Infinity, Farid overpaid him in one pay period,"by several thousand dollars." Stern said Farid was clueless. It was Suleman who was burning hot to acquire ABC, later admitting that he "should have been selling rather than buying." Duh.
 
The result for iHeart was bankruptcy, restructuring, mass firings, and screwing a lot of investors. We await the results for Audiocy.

Keep in mind that the bankruptcies you reference had absolutely nothing to do with the radio programming or station ratings. In both cases it was due to the multi-billion dollar debt brought on by bad acquisitions. iHeart has consistently owned some of the top rated and most profitable stations in the country, even with less local talent. For the last 20 years, it's been demonstrated that the audience doesn't care about the status or location of the company's employees. We can see that in Buffalo right now with the top-rated Steve Harvey morning show. WBUF got better ratings with NO (local or otherwise) talent than its getting now with two local shows. What Field is doing is utilizing his company's resources over multiple platforms, redistributing his workforce in areas where the revenue is growing. The key job in preventing bankruptcy is debt management. Audacy is doing that by selling certain assets while building new revenue streams.
 
It must matter otherwise they wouldn’t be turfing talent.

It's not the money, it's the position. If all you do is babysit a console, you're probably in some trouble. If his talents were transferable to other jobs or other stations in the cluster, he'd still be employed. The company is hiring lots of people around the country right now.
 
The result for iHeart was bankruptcy, restructuring, mass firings, and screwing a lot of investors.
The only investors "screwed" were private investment banks who overpaid for Clear Channel when they purchased it via an LBO just before the Great Recession. Clear Channel was not a publicly traded company at that point.

In fact, as the economy took a deep dive, those investment bankers tried to weasel out of the deal they had made. The courts would not allow it, and they had to (in retrospect) swallow a bitter pill; unfortunately the staffs at the stations paid for the mistake.

As BigA says, the resultant bankruptcy had nothing to do with programming, local sellers, local mangers or the local engineers.
 
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It's not the money, it's the position. If all you do is babysit a console, you're probably in some trouble. If his talents were transferable to other jobs or other stations in the cluster, he'd still be employed. The company is hiring lots of people around the country right now.
They may be hiring (about 140 open jobs currently listed) but less that 1/4 of those are in programming - and most are part time (with some of those console babysitters).

Oh, and to keep this thread OT - None of the current openings are for on-air at The Wolf Buffalo.
 
Oh, and to keep this thread OT - None of the current openings are for on-air at The Wolf Buffalo.

If they're hiring anyone for The Wolf Buffalo, the person is already hired.

But back to your first sentence: Of course only 1/4 are in programming. In the old days, DJs were part of the sales team. Alan Freed sold his Moondog show when he was on the air in Cleveland. His main sponsor was a local record shop. He took that local show to national fame. But the thing that got him on the radio was he sold his own show. That's the biggest weakness I see in some radio talent. They don't understand the power their position on the air gives them. They are supposed to be local celebrities. They should be able to turn that into something, but most of them don't.

Today's DJs have to demonstrate their VALUE to these radio companies. It's not hard. All they'd have to do is go on an occasional sales call. Play golf with some clients. Maybe do some personal appearances. Maybe do a video with a major sponsor that they post online. They should be coming up with ideas that can bring attention to their station. That demonstrates value. Look through the radio trades, and you'll see examples of talent who know how to do that. If it was good enough for the legends, why can't they do it now?
 
But back to your first sentence: Of course only 1/4 are in programming. In the old days, DJs were part of the sales team. Alan Freed sold his Moondog show when he was on the air in Cleveland. His main sponsor was a local record shop. He took that local show to national fame. But the thing that got him on the radio was he sold his own show. That's the biggest weakness I see in some radio talent. They don't understand the power their position on the air gives them. They are supposed to be local celebrities. They should be able to turn that into something, but most of them don't.

Today's DJs have to demonstrate their VALUE to these radio companies. It's not hard. All they'd have to do is go on an occasional sales call. Play golf with some clients. Maybe do some personal appearances. Maybe do a video with a major sponsor that they post online. They should be coming up with ideas that can bring attention to their station. That demonstrates value. Look through the radio trades, and you'll see examples of talent who know how to do that. If it was good enough for the legends, why can't they do it now?
Thanks for the tome, "A", but most of those who've cracked a mic professionally know that already.

My point was: You said "the company is hiring lots of people around the country right now.". 140 open jobs at 235 radio stations isn't "lots". And most of the open programming jobs aren't for new on-air talent. So even if an OTB talent has value to offer, Audacy ain't biting.
 
But back to your first sentence: Of course only 1/4 are in programming. In the old days, DJs were part of the sales team. Alan Freed sold his Moondog show when he was on the air in Cleveland. His main sponsor was a local record shop. He took that local show to national fame. But the thing that got him on the radio was he sold his own show.
... on a low rated radio station that could not find its way at the time. Storer just could not figure out what to do with WJW at the end of the network era, so they took chances, first with Freed and when he left for NYC they hired Pete Myers, "Mad Daddy", to do the same shift. But the station was old-line the rest of the day and poorly rated.

The only national fame Freed got was when he was investigated and fired over payola. He was a moderate oddity in Cleveland but he was, in a sense, the fuse that led to the start of real rock 'n' roll programming in the market. But it was WERE that grabbed the format early on with people like Bill Randle, Joe Finan and Specs Howard.
That's the biggest weakness I see in some radio talent. They don't understand the power their position on the air gives them. They are supposed to be local celebrities. They should be able to turn that into something, but most of them don't.
In most formats, in major markets the airstaff did not have the freedoms that Freed and Myers got at WJW. Programming was dictated by management and the staff had little say about music and nothing to do with sales.
Today's DJs have to demonstrate their VALUE to these radio companies. It's not hard. All they'd have to do is go on an occasional sales call. Play golf with some clients. Maybe do some personal appearances. Maybe do a video with a major sponsor that they post online. They should be coming up with ideas that can bring attention to their station. That demonstrates value. Look through the radio trades, and you'll see examples of talent who know how to do that. If it was good enough for the legends, why can't they do it now?
That was possible and even prevalent 60 years ago or more in the 50's in most cases and formats. Yes, some of the big names on MOR stations did do sales related activities in later years but those were controlled and usually mandated by management, not by individual initiative.
 
TheBigA apparently thinks that an on-air position these days is "4 and out the door" with no time spent in show prep or other station responsibilities. He's an advocate of the "format it so strictly that a monkey could do it" school of programming and would gladly replace on-air talent with voice synthesis. His disdain for talent is well-documented on his posts both past and present.

What he's asking talent to do, with the exception of selling their own show, is only part of what they're already doing. To start, let me quote the WBUF ad for mid-days:

On-Air Talent 92.9 WBUF

Townsquare Media Buffalo is looking for a feisty, energetic, fun likable personality who’s not afraid to be vulnerable on-air. The successful candidate must live the rock lifestyle, be hungry to win, and ready to put in the work to build relationships with listeners, staff and be able to help create a topical and entertaining show in a competitive market.

Responsibilities

  • Host Middays 10a-3p M-Sat show on a rock station
  • Engage daily with your audience via the station mobile app and the station’s accounts on social media, including Facebook, Twitter and Instagram
  • Write and publish at least two original articles for each weekday air shift onto the station website
  • Incorporate content from the station’s digital platforms into your on-air show
  • Conducts on-air interviews, attend and assist in all market cluster live events
  • Monitors and identifies important news issues within the community and manage public file
  • Produce commercials on a daily basis
  • Conducts Live Remotes and appearances and assist in special promotions and programming activities
Qualifications
  • Team-Oriented
  • Knowledge of all FCC rules and regulations
  • Computer literacy in applicable programs and excellent verbal communication skills
  • WordPress experience is a plus
  • Experience with Adobe Audition
  • Ability to interact with management and staff at all levels and to multi-task and handle pressures and deadlines
  • Public speaking skill and ability to interact with listeners and clients in a public setting
  • Problem-solving ability and skill in prioritizing
  • Skill in operation of control board, remote broadcasting, and other related production equipment
  • High School Diploma
  • Must possess valid state driver’s license
  • May require lifting or moving up to 25 lbs
  • Able to sit for extended periods of time
Air talent is mostly excluded from the sales team because sales people would have to cut them in on commissions. They're already expected cut demo commercials, do meet-and-greets, and often produce owner-voiced commercials that take much more time to cobble together than if a professional voiced the content (more effectively) in the first place. Add that most of the current full-time air talent is expected to prep and voice-track multiple stations in multiple markets and you begin to scratch the surface of that "cushy job" that they do. In addition, many are music directors or APDs, public service directors responsible for both content and the required filings to keep the FCC happy, and a host of other responsibilities like online meetings, and multiple trainings to fulfill corporate, local, and state mandates.

These days, at a good employer with good management, they're part of a much smaller team asked to do more and more with less and less. At a bad employer with bad management, they're "studio monkeys" who serve at the whim of bad managers who neither value nor respect them. They're supposed to be "grateful that they have a job."

Meanwhile, they get little support in the way of promotions and damn few perks. If they get tickets to a show, the value is added to their paycheck and they're taxed for it.

Why do they do it? Well, young people these days look at it and say "NFW." The professionals who are still at it do it partially because they got into the business when it was considered an honorable profession, because they like the music, because they feel a responsibility to the listeners and communities who have supported them for many years, and because it's what they know. Some management appreciates them and rewards them as part of the team. They're not considered "replaceable parts." We're not seeing those people evolving in music formats these days because too many people in upper management don't value the role.

We'll get to see how a jukebox with a limited signal and "major league talent" does against a primarily live-and-local country station over the next year or two. My feeling is that if they identify and go after a part of the country audience and super-serve that, they'll do OK. If they just go at WYRK head-on, what's the point? We'll see how it evolves.

We've already seen the evolution of radio under iHeart, and now under Audacy. Essentially, they're using radio to drive their digital properties. Townsquare says that's been successful for them. The odd thing is that the people who are killing off on-air personalities are the same people hunting for syndicated shows and podcasts - both of which lack the localization and immediacy that made radio popular in the first place.
 
TheBigA apparently thinks that an on-air position these days is "4 and out the door" with no time spent in show prep or other station responsibilities. He's an advocate of the "format it so strictly that a monkey could do it" school of programming and would gladly replace on-air talent with voice synthesis. His disdain for talent is well-documented on his posts both past and present.

As usual you're mischaracterizing my views on the subject. The job description you posted incorporates almost everything I discussed in my post. I don't know if the person who was let go at Kiss had the same job description. These are two very different companies. For years WBUF had no on air staff. Then they added a combination of local & syndicated, not much different than what they do at WBLK. The ratings dropped by half. So I don't see how adding on-air talent improved the station.
 
That was possible and even prevalent 60 years ago or more in the 50's in most cases and formats. Yes, some of the big names on MOR stations did do sales related activities in later years but those were controlled and usually mandated by management, not by individual initiative.

Consultant Jeff McHugh did an article about this today:

 
As usual you're mischaracterizing my views on the subject. The job description you posted incorporates almost everything I discussed in my post. I don't know if the person who was let go at Kiss had the same job description. These are two very different companies. For years WBUF had no on air staff. Then they added a combination of local & syndicated, not much different than what they do at WBLK. The ratings dropped by half. So I don't see how adding on-air talent improved the station.
WBUF may not have had an on air staff, but it was carefully curated and localized. It also was in a format niche playing music that didn't really compete directly with 97-Rock or the Edge. Now it's trying to take on a heritage Classic Rock station with voice tracking and a lot of syndicated content. It's very much like 107.7 going straight at WYRK instead of trying to carve out a piece of their expansive audience. Good air staff with promotional support can make a difference on a level playing field. In neither case is the playing field level.
 
It's very much like 107.7 going straight at WYRK instead of trying to carve out a piece of their expansive audience. Good air staff with promotional support can make a difference on a level playing field. In neither case is the playing field level.

What makes you think 107.7 is "going straight at WYRK?" Earlier in this thread I pointed out a number of significant playlist differences between the two stations right now. The Audacy plan for the station, presented in the press release, includes a number of feature shows that currently don't exist at WYRK. For example, there will be a host-intensive mid-day show featuring the "Superstar Power Hour" on 107.7, while WYRK is more music intensive during that time. Country is a big format with lots of ways to do it.
 
So, yeah, I've been listening to "The Wolf" a fair bit. It's a refreshing break-away from WYRK (Particularly, that female announcer that does like 50% of their ads! Gawd, she's annoying! Single handedly responsible for the potential wearing out of my "switch to Bluetooth music library" button. LOL) Anyhow, it's obvious they've put a target on WYRK's knee-caps They're publicly announcing the number of minutes of music played by each station. They're not being shy or coy about calling out several of WYRK's vulnerabilities. Will it cause me to 'never' listen to WYRK again? Pfffft, no. But - depending on where they land as they find they're "zone", I'll speculate that WYRK will have my ear 50%+/- less than in the past. Maybe WYRK is OK with something like that. I dunno. "The Wolf's" Achilles heel (for me) will be the amount of really "new" way-far-from-country-roots stuff they end up playing. Too much, and I'ma hittin' that Bluetooth button again. (PS - BTW - That Wolf howl audio logo thing is actually less annoying than WYRK's announcer lady... but both of those digital files should be visited by a power surge! :) ).
 
Consultant Jeff McHugh did an article about this today:
Most of that is expansion of the personality role, not active participation in sales calls. It's all to strengthen the presence of station talent in all areas of station activity.

There is a big difference between an in-station meet and greet for the personalities and having the jocks go out on four-legged calls to car dealers.
 
There is a big difference between an in-station meet and greet for the personalities and having the jocks go out on four-legged calls to car dealers.

I said they are local celebrities and should interact with clients. Jeff says the same thing:

Client meet-and-greets. Promote your talent to clients with tours of your studios. Coordinate occasional 10-minute hellos over coffee with your personalities. We often underestimate the powerful effect of face-to-face encounters between advertisers and on-air stars.

I think that last sentence summarizes what I was saying. It utilizes air talent in ways that can make a difference.
 
I think that last sentence summarizes what I was saying. It utilizes air talent in ways that can make a difference.
I can't think of any air talent that I've worked with that would be enough to attract a busy client to come to the station for a meet and greet. The only time I've found a client wanting to have anything to do with the talent is when there is interest in an endorsement, and then the client prefers to deal with either the station direct or the talent's agent.

Of course, back in the day when remotes were a crowd-puller, clients liked to be photographed with the station display or vehicle on their own grounds. Then they'd put that in their office to show off. Different motivation.
 
I can't think of any air talent that I've worked with that would be enough to attract a busy client to come to the station for a meet and greet.

You're taking the article far too literally. Randy Lane and Jeff McHugh are very well respected consultants.
 
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