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ATSC 3.0 STB

Since there isn't a receiver mandate for ATSC 3.0 like it was for the current ATSC 1.0 standard, I don't think you will see a plethora of TVs or set-top boxes with ATSC 3.0 receivers inside them. My biggest wish is for the FCC or Congress to mandate ATSC 3.0 chips on any device having an ATSC 1.0 receiver by a certain date. In my opinion, this will make the transition from 1.0 to 3.0 more seamless and it will expedite the process for shutting down 1.0 completely and permanently.
 
AFAIK, higher end LG TVs have had ATSC 3.0 tuners for a few years, seems like the development costs should be paid down for the most part, I hope an LG/Zenith brand ATSC 3.0 STB appears (I like the Zenith STBs I have, I record TV shows from the reruns channels to VHS SLP).


Kirk Bayne
 
There still needs to be an affordable STB box (hopefully with recording capability like most newer ATSC 1.0 boxes are now) developed for viewers who don't want to immediately buy a new set or can't afford to. As it is now the Silicon Dust one is all I've seen and it's still around $200.
 
I was in Costco looking for an Nextgen (ATSC 3.0) TV. Found that the Sony TVs are clearly labeled on the box "Nextgen" but the LG and Samsung TVs I could not readily determine if they could receive ATSC 3.0 or not, and the Nextgen web page didn't mention the model numbers available at the store. Are TVs now required to provide ATSC capability, or is this capability only on selected models?
 
Ke4kls said:
I was in Costco looking for an Nextgen (ATSC 3.0) TV. Found that the Sony TVs are clearly labeled on the box "Nextgen" but the LG and Samsung TVs I could not readily determine if they could receive ATSC 3.0 or not, and the Nextgen web page didn't mention the model numbers available at the store. Are TVs now required to provide ATSC capability, or is this capability only on selected models?
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I just bought an LG OLED77C1PUB which is their higher end model for that size. Nowhere in the documentation does it even mention ATSC 3.0.
 
Ke4kls said:
Are TVs now required to provide ATSC capability, or is this capability only on selected models?
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I assume you mean ATSC 3.0 (Next-Gen TV) capability, and it is not a mandate (for now). Rather, the opposite is true. The manufacturers don't have to do a thing, but broadcasters must keep their 1.0 signal on at least 5 years after they turn on next-gen.
olmjax said:
Since there isn't a receiver mandate for ATSC 3.0 like it was for the current ATSC 1.0 standard, I don't think you will see a plethora of TVs or set-top boxes with ATSC 3.0 receivers inside them. My biggest wish is for the FCC or Congress to mandate ATSC 3.0 chips on any device having an ATSC 1.0 receiver by a certain date. In my opinion, this will make the transition from 1.0 to 3.0 more seamless and it will expedite the process for shutting down 1.0 completely and permanently.
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Well said!
 
There are only two manufacturers including the ATSC 3.0 tuner currently: Samsung and LG. Neither are available at Best Buy.
Currently all the test markets are just combining all the ATSC 1.0 stations into the one ATSC 3.0 signal. No 4K or UHD anytime soon. You would be wasting several thousand dollars by purchasing a TV now.
Regarding set top boxes: There aren't any.
 

ATSC 3.0 STBs

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and

ATSC 3.0 - Sony A90J DTV at Best Buy

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For some reason, KC has 2 ATSC 3.0 signals OTA (although KC had an [ATSC 1.0] signal OTA in 1998-11), I went to a TV dealer and watched some of the DTV broadcast then (on ch. 18, their analog signal was on ch. 19), at their location, ch. 19 had a lot of interference but the DTV picture/sound was clear and steady.


Kirk Bayne
 
Sony was selling the XBR 4K series for quite a while as 'ATSC 3.0 tuner inside'.
Got one in Summer 2020.
However, wasn't until early 2021 that they had firmware updates that actually enabled that tuner.
Firmware wasn't really ready and had lots of issues like up to 15 seconds to decode a ATSC 3.0 channel after tuning to it.
A partial update in October 2021 fixed most ATSC 3.0 issues. Still waiting for part 2.
But that's mostly non tuner updates such as VRR for gaming and that still has issues.
 
The ZapperBox has been "coming soon" for several years now. Its release date has slipped several times. I will believe it when I see it and not a moment sooner.

- Trip
 
kfbkfb said:
I went to a TV dealer and watched some of the DTV broadcast then (on ch. 18, their analog signal was on ch. 19), at their location, ch. 19 had a lot of interference but the DTV picture/sound was clear and steady.
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That TV station was KCPT. I remember themselves saying that they were "Kansas City's first digital broadcaster" in some of their ID's.
 
Route66Fan said:
That TV station was KCPT.
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Yes, they were assigned sequential ch 18 for their DTV signal, IIRC, they were able to get a special device for their transmitting antenna which made the addition of a DTV signal easier than if it had been a non-sequential DTV channel assignment.


Kirk Bayne
 
Also, there's no ATSC 3.0 STB subsidy (I bought several ATSC 1.0 STBs ~14 years ago, but I never claimed the subsidy).

I find that the ATSC 1.0 Zenith/LG STBs work best in cases of high multipath.


Kirk Bayne
 
anotherguyTN said:
Here's another update on the progress of ATSC 3.0: ATSC 3.0—aka "NextGen TV"—remains irrelevant to most cord-cutters | TechHive
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I love how the article has a section "No Rush to Upgrade". Considering that stations can shut down their 1.0 transmitters and get off the lighthouse next year (2023). Sticking to the original transition schedule completely ignores the chip shortage hampering the electronics industry.
kfbkfb said:
Also, there's no ATSC 3.0 STB subsidy (I bought several ATSC 1.0 STBs ~14 years ago, but I never claimed the subsidy).
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I'm considering buying an ATSC 3.0 converter box when they become affordable and available just to test the tech out.
 
kfbkfb said:
Yes, they were assigned sequential ch 18 for their DTV signal, IIRC, they were able to get a special device for their transmitting antenna which made the addition of a DTV signal easier than if it had been a non-sequential DTV channel assignment.


Kirk Bayne
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A UHF antenna is fairly broadbanded and can cover +/- 1 channels from it's designed channel.. we call that N+1 or N-1 in the business. A combiner allows the signals to share the antenna
 
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