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FM - no AM - portable CD player

The broadcasters have no influence in this matter. Broadcasters don't buy radio receivers, consumers do.
Perhaps a few sternly worded letters (on company letterhead, signed by the corporate owners of most of the 50kW day and night AMs) to the OEMs that manufacture low cost radios that AM reception is must for the USA consumer electronics market. :)


Kirk Bayne
 
Perhaps a few sternly worded letters (on company letterhead, signed by the corporate owners of most of the 50kW day and night AMs) to the OEMs that manufacture low cost radios that AM reception is must for the USA consumer electronics market.
Except there's that one detail you don't take into account. Nobody under 60 wants to listen to AM. Are you saying a sternly worded letter would solve that?
 
Except there's that one detail you don't take into account. Nobody under 60 wants to listen to AM. Are you saying a sternly worded letter would solve that?
Rather, I think Kirk is thinking about a "must-carry" rule similar to how all TV's after a certain date had to include UHF in the 60's, and all radios after the 1990's had to include the x-band. Except, this would kind of be the reverse of that. The OP was about a CD player that had just the FM radio, and despite the technical limitations described by Some Radio Guy, the OP felt like the solution would be to force the CD player to have AM. I think with proper innovation it can be done

Nobody under 60 wants to listen to AM.
How many of those people simply don't know what AM is? Funny story: There's someone I've known for a long time who generally doesn't leave the FM band if he doesn't have to, but if he wants a sports broadcast, he immediately tells me to flip it to AM. The radio at his workplace (okay warehouse) is always on the AM station, even though there's a perfectably listenable FM translator in the area. These folks are between 35-55 years old.
 
Rather, I think Kirk is thinking about a "must-carry" rule similar to how all TV's after a certain date had to include UHF in the 60's, and all radios after the 1990's had to include the x-band. Except, this would kind of be the reverse of that. The OP was about a CD player that had just the FM radio, and despite the technical limitations described by Some Radio Guy, the OP felt like the solution would be to force the CD player to have AM. I think with proper innovation it can be done
Can't remember the show, but had the TV on and heard an interesting industry statistic; that 99% of new car buyers won't purchase a car unless it comes with a "radio". That includes Gen-Z and Millennial's. There was no mention of any particular broadcast bands or modulation involved, but it's safe to assume they mean FM. Many of the new hybrid and EV vehicles can't have AM tuners because of all the electronics and speed controls. CD's are a thing of the past, so I don't see much effort going toward forcing overseas manufacturers to include radio in something no longer in production.
How many of those people simply don't know what AM is? Funny story: There's someone I've known for a long time who generally doesn't leave the FM band if he doesn't have to, but if he wants a sports broadcast, he immediately tells me to flip it to AM. The radio at his workplace (okay warehouse) is always on the AM station, even though there's a perfectably listenable FM translator in the area. These folks are between 35-55 years old.
Of course there are exceptions to anything. Consumers will go to where the content is; especially sports. Chances of some Gen-Z actively seeking out programming for older angry white guys around the local game coverage? Slim to none.
 
99% of new car buyers won't purchase a car unless it comes with a "radio". That includes Gen-Z and Millennial's.
That's an interesting point. Or, of course, an "infotainment system" so the kids can hook up Bluetooth and have their own playlists. :LOL:
Many of the new hybrid and EV vehicles can't have AM tuners because of all the electronics and speed controls. CD's are a thing of the past, so I don't see much effort going toward forcing overseas manufacturers to include radio in something no longer in production.
Sadly agreed. My take of this is that if it doesn't automatically come with the car, than 95% of people just won't go through the effort to buy a dozen possibly outdated devices. But, cars used to always come with the CD player, and before that the 8-rack or tape player. (I knew I should've kept that 2002 Subaru Outback!) And so owning CD's were convenient. Adding phones to the mix though, made CD's look like a hassle, but still manageable until the manufacturers felt like it wasn't cost effective, and now people have to go way out of their own way to do anything that's not "on screen".

Although, since you mentioned new cars, I am a big fan of the 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee because it gives FM/HD, AM/IBOC, and SXM as options, and shockingly, the AM tuner in that thing is more powerful than my other vehicular radios. (Several daytime mumble jumble stations became listenable on the new Jeep) So in a way, this proves that it can be done in the modern world, but it just may not be worth the risk or the effort.
Of course there are exceptions to anything. Consumers will go to where the content is; especially sports. Chances of some Gen-Z actively seeking out programming for older angry white guys around the local game coverage? Slim to none.
Agreed.
 
This obsession with “saving” a platform that is effectively on artificial life support is alternately baffling and amusing.

It’s dead. A few vestiges live on, and yay for them. But the idea you’re going to somehow revive AM is about as likely as reviving the Model T.
 
Yeah, I get it, the rest of the world wants to move on, cut the ties, and free up space for something potentially better. That particular spectrum between 500 and 1700 khz is not very useful for much, is it? Might as well let AM live there rent free before we officially close it off for good, or better yet, let amateurs and/or scientists have the band.
But the idea you’re going to somehow revive AM is about as likely as reviving the Model T.
I know it's besides the point here, but it would be fun to bring back the Model T for historical purposes. :D
 
Point of clarification: the world has moved on. What happens to the band…meh, I don’t care. The powers that be can draw ideas from a hat.

But as a consumer medium, there is no reversing what has happened.
 
Yeah, I get it, the rest of the world wants to move on, cut the ties, and free up space for something potentially better. That particular spectrum between 500 and 1700 khz is not very useful for much, is it?
Completely useless. That, and it's such a small chunk of spectral real estate as compared with UHF, may as well just go silent.
Might as well let AM live there rent free before we officially close it off for good, or better yet, let amateurs and/or scientists have the band.
Being a ham myself, I think the hobby already has too much barely used spectrum. There are thousands of 2M, 220, and 440Mhz repeaters dotting the country silent for days, if not weeks. Because of atmospheric conditions, the HF band has been unusable for years, with only an occasional opening on 20 and 40M. On more than one occasion, I've driven from Seattle to Washington, D.C. and programmed in all the simplex channels, and what were reportedly the most popular repeaters in my pickup two-sided radio and let it scan. Of the two and a half days, and 2,745miles covered, I heard one contact. The way back I heard zero.
If hams aren't careful, Cell and PCS companies will be next gunning for amateur 440, 900Mhz, and 1.2Ghz spectrum.
I know it's besides the point here, but it would be fun to bring back the Model T for historical purposes.
:D
Having several classic cars myself, one could pick up a Model T for less than you would pay for a new Toyota Camry. I wouldn't want to drive it on modern roads, but would be popular in parades or car shows.
 
Here, sports/talk is on AM (KCSP [also 106.5 HD2], KCTE and WHB), with the Kansas City Chiefs possibly heading to the World Cup or World Series or some similar affair, I suspect that a wide age range of sports fans are listening to AM radio now.

I don't know the typical ratings or demographics for KCSP, KCTE and WHB, but, AFAIK, only daytimer KCTE has an FM translator.


Kirk Bayne
 
I don't know if my Walmart sells anything portable, but for Christmas 2020 I bought my Mom a Sony that is AM/FM, has a cassette player, CD player, and a USB port to play music from your phone. During my brief time on the cash register during the 2021 Christmas season I specifically remember ringing out this Sony unit twice. We also have a couple different brands of Clock Radios with AM/FM included.

As for hotels - I stayed at the Double Tree by Hilton in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania (Philly Market) twice in 2021. They no longer have clock radios in their rooms. I didn't know that during my first trip, so I packed my clock radio during my second trip. Removing the clock radio was done when the hotel was extensively remodeled sometime after my previous stay there in 2019.
 
I bought several Sony ICFP26 radios recently, I made sure what I was buying had AM (Midwest USA weather issues etc., I never know what radio stations will be on the air during severe weather).

I wonder how many (manufacturing) pennies they save by leaving out AM and do the big AM broadcasters have any influence in bringing AM back to most radios?
I also have a Sony ICF-P26. Good emergency and around the house and yard radio during football season.

As for your question (which I bolded for reference), the pennies saved is basically zero. Nearly all IF and DSP chips tune more than one band. The cost for extra paint for the analog dial space, or programming for the microprocessor that tells the IF or DSP chip where to tune is probably next to nothing.

As for radio sales in general, there's not a lot of point in selling FM only radios (although there are some out there), because most people buying actual radios are GenXers and Boomers who remember AM and still may use it from time to time.
 
I don't know if my Walmart sells anything portable, but for Christmas 2020 I bought my Mom a Sony that is AM/FM, has a cassette player, CD player, and a USB port to play music from your phone. During my brief time on the cash register during the 2021 Christmas season I specifically remember ringing out this Sony unit twice. We also have a couple different brands of Clock Radios with AM/FM included
I have that Sony model as well. It does pretty well for FM, tape and CD. I can't say for AM since there's nothing I want to listen to on AM now.
 
The last hotel I stayed in, which was over two years ago prior to the onset of COVID, the room had a Marshall bluetooth speaker which sounded amazing. No radio.
To add another data point, none of the hotels I've stayed in over the past few years (which includes two or three after the pandemic) have had a radio. Instead, a subset of the local radio stations are generally available through the TV, usually after the TV stations. I presume behind the scenes, there are radios tuned to the relevant frequencies (or computers 'tuned' to internet streams) feeding a distribution system.
 
My current stereo system (that I have had for a few months now) has no AM capacity on it, of which I am aware. I got it because it has the technology to allow me to stream out-of-town stations. And at least one of them is AM. So that is the only way (that I know of) to listen to AM on this current stereo system. I wanted futuristic technology on this stereo system, and I have it.
 
Perhaps a few sternly worded letters (on company letterhead, signed by the corporate owners of most of the 50kW day and night AMs) to the OEMs that manufacture low cost radios that AM reception is must for the USA consumer electronics market. :)

Those letters would have to be written in Chinese. Radios today are made (for the most part) in China. The Chinese Communist Party doesn't care about the USA consumer electronics market.

In fact, the US Consumer Electronics Association doesn't care about AM radio anymore.

Radio companies recognize the issue with AM, and they're seeking to convert their listeners to smart speakers or other online devices.

The FCC's "AM revitalization plan" consisted of FM translators. That's how the agency responsible for the spectrum is handling it.
 
The FCC's "AM revitalization plan" consisted of FM translators. That's how the agency responsible for the spectrum is handling it.
"AM Revitalization" was like being told to start training your replacement, because it would revitalize your job position. Let's be honest here, the FCC punched a deep hole in AM's revival by using FM translators (ironic). It probably saved the stations themselves, but the FCC had no plans to rescue AM any longer. They just secretly cut the oxygen, while pretending otherwise. :(
the US Consumer Electronics association doesn't care about AM anymore.
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