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[johnbasalla]

Are any of those Cleveland Board of Education reports you cited online? Usually when I work with @Sammi Brie on pages we try to go with newspaper records. The Plain Dealer is on NewsBank but the Cleveland Public Library didn’t make access to their entire paper record available for free over CLEVNET, else I would have tried to cite more.

Thomas H. White cited the earliest parts of WBOE’s establishment (it’s been a recurring project of his) and quite a bit of the interregnum between 1978 and 1984 that’s cited came from me when I was working on parts of WKSU’s page. (As an aside, I rebuilt and properly cited the “new” WCPN 104.9 page.)

Are any of those Cleveland Board of Education reports online? Not that I know of.
I was bothered that some interesting content, that are verifiable, were edited out of the Wikipedia article.

 

[VintageMac]

Are any of those Cleveland Board of Education reports online? Not that I know of.
I was bothered that some interesting content, that are verifiable, were edited out of the Wikipedia article.

This is the problem with Wiki articles. Information which is factual and relevant should be available for anyone to read.

 

[VintageMac]

With the jazz programming now part of the lineup, it will position the station as a true fine arts station.

You make it sound like WCLV was not a "true fine arts station" previously. Putting jazz on so late shows how little it's valued. As SkiWest said, they could place that on 90.3 HD2 or better yet, add an HD3 and have it full time.

 

[Santa fe]

Reception report in car in Willougby: WCLV 90.3 was strong and static free everywhere I drove. 104.9 was pretty choppy and unlistenable and 89.7 had moderate static and flutter. I could barely hear the Thompson relay. I didn't search for any other repeaters.

 

[johnbasalla]

Reception report in car in Willougby: WCLV 90.3 was strong and static free everywhere I drove. 104.9 was pretty choppy and unlistenable and 89.7 had moderate static and flutter. I could barely hear the Thompson relay. I didn't search for any other repeaters.

I would expect 104.9 to be choppy and unlistenable in Willlougby. It's 6,000 watts stationed around Avon and Avon Lake in Lorain County. It may not be clear in absolutely every precinct in the City of Cleveland, proper, particularly the further East one goes.

 

[MediaLover]

104.9 can't move further east because of 104.7 and 89.1 can't expand further west because of 89.3. 89.7 is better heard in mono than stereo.

 

[skiwest]

I wonder if 89.7 can crank up the power. Or maybe move the transmitter a bit closer to Cleveland.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

I recall several years ago driving up I-90 into New York, and 104.9 WCLV was rock solid into Buffalo, full RDS and everything… even clearer in New York than in Akron because of the tropo! That was before WRKT moved to 104.9. The lake really enhanced WCLV easily since its transmitter was very near to the lake. In fact, the path between 104.9 WCLV and Western NY was almost 100% water.

 

[VintageMac]

104.9 can't move further east because of 104.7 and 89.1 can't expand further west because of 89.3. 89.7 is better heard in mono than stereo.

Very few tuners/radios have a mono switch unless they are high quality units for DX or vintage ones. Car stereos will blend a weak signal to near mono but you can still hear static in many cases.

 

[Sammi Brie]

This is the problem with Wiki articles. Information which is factual and relevant should be available for anyone to read.

The problem is sourcing. When you're writing articles, and especially when you don't have much of a local newspaper trail, it can be a problem.

 

[Yabadabado1]

Might just be a glitch but I listened to 90.3 last night and today and it had lots of breaks ups and static on my car radio. Listened to WCPN before on 90.3 and don't ever recall it being that bad. 104.9 has always been a crap-shoot in lower Summit county.

 

[VintageMac]

WCLV corrected the id displayed on non HD devices using RDS from 104.9 FM to 90.3 FM this morning as I noticed it around 9:40 AM. Earlier this morning before 8, it was still identifying as 104.9 FM. HD radios were displaying correctly since Monday.

 

[VintageMac]

The problem is sourcing. When you're writing articles, and especially when you don't have much of a local newspaper trail, it can be a problem.

That may be true. However, newspaper articles may not always be totally factual or have errors so then you need to go to a source that was there if possible and/or worked for the school district. Since there is at least one person here who is in that category, I would think that his knowledge is more reliable than some sources. Some of us who live or did live in Cleveland remember how contentious the WBOE issue was and how poor school district leadership among other issues furthered its demise.

 

[VintageMac]

Might just be a glitch but I listened to 90.3 last night and today and it had lots of breaks ups and static on my car radio. Listened to WCPN before on 90.3 and don't ever recall it being that bad. 104.9 has always been a crap-shoot in lower Summit county.

Does your radio have HD? Could have been a tropo event with the stormy weather approaching.

 

[johnbasalla]

The problem is sourcing. When you're writing articles, and especially when you don't have much of a local newspaper trail, it can be a problem.

Fortunately, I have original documents that I collected. If you'd like to hear some WBOE radio programs, some going back to the 1940s, log on to the Cleveland Metropolitan School District's website. Click on "Newsroom" and then click on "Historical Archive".

 

[Rusty Muck]

That may be true. However, newspaper articles may not always be totally factual or have errors so then you need to go to a source that was there if possible and/or worked for the school district. Since there is at least one person here who is in that category, I would think that his knowledge is more reliable than some sources.

Thing is, the reports per se aren’t online that I know of. It’s possible Google Books might have them but I would need exact issue numbers and published dates. Otherwise it risks accidentally slipping into a “self-research” issue (even if unintentionally!) when pages are peer-reviewed.

Ideally, for WBOE to be properly researched, I would need the following papers and sources:

• The Plain Dealer
• The Press
• The News (pre-1960)
• The Call and Post
• Broadcasting Magazine (available via @DavidEduardo ’s repository)
• The aforementioned BOE records
• Any graduate-level papers

I definitely know that the Plain Dealer has their records digitized, I just cannot access them unless I subscribe to GenealogyBank. I can go through the Call and Post on NewspaperArchive and see if they covered the station at all; I’d be surprised if they didn’t.

I really hope that, at some point, Cleveland State University allows the Press archives to be fully digitized. The archives of the rest of the legacy Scripps chain has been going online over the past decade, but that didn’t apply to the Press because they sold it all to Joseph Cole.

Point being: I get very attentive to verifying stuff. @Sammi Brie knows this all too well lol. An article on the Wings Over Jordan Choir I wrote up over the course of three months has close to 450 in-line citations. I’m rewriting an article on WSVN and it’s already nearing 350 cites and is a massive tank.

Some of us who live or did live in Cleveland remember how contentious the WBOE issue was and how poor school district leadership among other issues furthered its demise.

This is something that I would absolutely center the article around.

 

[davideduardo]

Some of us who live or did live in Cleveland remember how contentious the WBOE issue was and how poor school district leadership among other issues furthered its demise.

And, as the city government in Cleveland decayed starting in the mid-60's and had difficult financial issues due to the abandonment of many whole areas of the city, it was not just the school leadership that was "poor".

Fortunately, a combination of factors such as the evolution of local banking into Key Bank, the continued growth of Case-Western Reserve and the Severance Center area, the Clinic, the RockHall, the Euclid Avenue theater district and other efforts all helped rebuild the city's finances and reputation.

Still, the city of Cleveland is revenue-short and has a need surplus as that is where a huge percentage of the lowest income people live.

 

[davideduardo]

Ideally, for WBOE to be properly researched, I would need the following papers and sources:

• The Plain Dealer
• The Press
• The News (pre-1960)
• The Call and Post

I'd give anything to hear a meeting between Louis Seltzer, Tom Vail and William Walker. I met two of them and Mr Walker used to visit my mother at our house. The third is my step brother, but have not heard from him in decades... the Vails thought radio was dead and that is why WHK was sold in the 50's to John Kluge.

 

[johnbasalla]

One memory that is interesting is that after WBOE stopped main carrier broadcasting, most of the staff had a few get togethers. At one of those, I distinctly remember Station Manager J. Robert Klein telling us that he was told by Superintendent Paul Briggs to "tell your people at WBOE not to worry"... that he had the station's back. Soon after, Supt. Briggs retired. Mr. Klein said, that in saying that, Supt. Briggs should have added "as long as I'm Superintendent".

 

[Yabadabado1]

Does your radio have HD? Could have been a tropo event with the stormy weather approaching.

Nope. OEM radio in vehicle. Long before HD was around. I'd replace it but it's tied in with the vehicle's warning system for low tire pressure/oil change due/traction warning/glitzenfarbber malfunctioning/car body rotting away/other stuff wrong with your car besides it being a Chevy.