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A Change Coming to KGO

You know, I really never understood the obsession with Spotify and other streaming apps. If I want to listen to something, I can always just listen on YouTube. My significant other really wanted me to try Spotify, but I usually just end up listening to the radio anyway. It feels way too impersonal and I never hear anything different.
Well, YouTube has commercials, unless you pay for YouTube Premium, which is $11.99 a month. Spotify and Apple Music are $9.99 a month, no commercials and both are really very different from YouTube. YouTube's audio quality is entirely dependent on the quality of the upload. Spotify and Apple Music's are consistently high quality (audiophiles, hold your fire---I mean within the bounds of streaming---true audiophiles go up a rung or two to the Qobuz streaming service).

I'm confused as to how you got an impersonal, never anything different experience from Spotify. I could understand that with Pandora, which chooses for you based on your ongoing responses to what it plays for you. My tastes are so eclectic I confuse Pandora. My stock joke is that within 20 minutes, Pandora starts to cry and asks "What do you WANT from me????"

I use Apple Music and basically, I have an album collection with every album I've ever owned plus a couple thousand of the ones I would have bought back in the day, but didn't have the money. I can access any album, any cut in not just my library but Apple Music's, instantaneously. And it's all accessible from my phone, which goes everywhere with me, so I can listen in the car, on a walk, whatever.

In the mornings, when I'm having my first cup of coffee and reading the news on my iPad, I'll play an album or two on it while I'm reading.

I can create playlists for moods and activities from any song in the Apple Music library (75 million songs) or anything in my audio collection. In fact, I use Apple Music playlists to organize and access my aircheck collection.

If I'm lazy, I can use one of their hundreds of curated, pre-programmed playlists, but I'm rarely that lazy. I'll maybe do that on a long road trip with my wife when she's in the mood to hear familiar music.
 
If I'm lazy, I can use one of their hundreds of curated, pre-programmed playlists, but I'm rarely that lazy. I'll maybe do that on a long road trip with my wife when she's in the mood to hear familiar music.
The best thing about YouTube's autogenerated "mixes" is that they consist mainly of songs I've played recently, along with other songs by artists I have a history of listening to often. No off-the-wall, algorithm-manufactured songs by new artists or current artists that I never listen to. If I'm working on something, reading, chatting on Messenger or whatever, I want music I like in the background, and there's nothing that tells YouTube "I like this" better than having listened to the song/artist on YouTube before.
I don't have Apple Music, but I can tell you that Pandora's way of creating playlists drives me up the wall, and Spotify's isn't much better. I use Spotify primarily to check out new releases, or to have another listen to something I recently heard on the radio or on an internet stream.
 
The best thing about YouTube's autogenerated "mixes" is that they consist mainly of songs I've played recently, along with other songs by artists I have a history of listening to often. No off-the-wall, algorithm-manufactured songs by new artists or current artists that I never listen to. If I'm working on something, reading, chatting on Messenger or whatever, I want music I like in the background, and there's nothing that tells YouTube "I like this" better than having listened to the song/artist on YouTube before.
I don't have Apple Music, but I can tell you that Pandora's way of creating playlists drives me up the wall, and Spotify's isn't much better. I use Spotify primarily to check out new releases, or to have another listen to something I recently heard on the radio or on an internet stream.
I have never tried to have Spotify (which I used until a couple of years ago) or Apple Music create a playlist for me. I’m much happier going through the library and making my own.

Probably because I came up in the album era, I’m much more likely to listen to an entire album than to a playlist. The playlist to me is the new mixtape, and one or two wrong choices can blow the whole thing. Which is why, on the rare occasions I listen to one, it’s either one I create or an obvious “all killer, no filler” curated list.

I also use it for music discovery. If an artist or album looks interesting, it costs me nothing extra to listen to it and because I don’t rely on an algorithm for my music, my flow isn’t skewed by something I was curious about but ultimately didn’t care for.
 
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People who recall KGO being "conservative" probably are thinking of the "glory days", when the station had a mix of hosts, from conservatives, to middle of the roaders like Michael Krazny, to Ray Taliaferro overnights (liberal and progressive, and quite a free thinkier, actually), to Bill Wattenberg. And at least from my perspective, even if I didn't agree with a host, they were articulate and fairly well informed, and entertaining for the most part.

To me, KGO during that period was what talk radio was supposed to be.
 
The best thing about YouTube's autogenerated "mixes" is that they consist mainly of songs I've played recently, along with other songs by artists I have a history of listening to often. No off-the-wall, algorithm-manufactured songs by new artists or current artists that I never listen to. If I'm working on something, reading, chatting on Messenger or whatever, I want music I like in the background, and there's nothing that tells YouTube "I like this" better than having listened to the song/artist on YouTube before.
I don't have Apple Music, but I can tell you that Pandora's way of creating playlists drives me up the wall, and Spotify's isn't much better. I use Spotify primarily to check out new releases, or to have another listen to something I recently heard on the radio or on an internet stream.
SiriusXM has offered me 6 months of Apple Music free, but I've decided I'm only paying for one music service and that is SiriusXM. I have several somewhat all-encompassing classic hits/oldies playlists on Spotify, which I usually skip around. (I found out if I manually "DJ" Spotify I can not hear commercials for awhile, as opposed to letting it scroll through. For awhile, Spotify was offering a daily "Morning show". with news, features and music from your playlists, but I'm not sure if that's been discontinued.
 
SiriusXM has offered me 6 months of Apple Music free, but I've decided I'm only paying for one music service and that is SiriusXM. I have several somewhat all-encompassing classic hits/oldies playlists on Spotify, which I usually skip around. (I found out if I manually "DJ" Spotify I can not hear commercials for awhile, as opposed to letting it scroll through. For awhile, Spotify was offering a daily "Morning show". with news, features and music from your playlists, but I'm not sure if that's been discontinued.
I have the free versions of YouTube, Pandora and Spotify. I don't mind the occasional commercial. Having been in the media (print) myself, I know how vitally important advertising is to the business model, so I don't begrudge Spotify a minute of my time every five songs.
 
People who recall KGO being "conservative" probably are thinking of the "glory days", when the station had a mix of hosts, from conservatives, to middle of the roaders like Michael Krazny, to Ray Taliaferro overnights (liberal and progressive, and quite a free thinkier, actually), to Bill Wattenberg. And at least from my perspective, even if I didn't agree with a host, they were articulate and fairly well informed, and entertaining for the most part.

To me, KGO during that period was what talk radio was supposed to be.
To be fair, I am not a liberal. However, I can definitely appreciate the style of talk radio and talent of some of the more progressive hosts on KGO. I find NPR to be extremely boring, though I recognize that a lot of people really appreciate the NPR style of delivery. For this reason alone, it’s sad to see a station like KGO go.
 
Hi!

I remember KGO before 2011, when it was actually interesting listen to. I also remember that when all the long time hosts got fired, it lost most of its appeal, in my opinion.

I had listened quite regularly for several years beginning around 2003-2004 and lasting all the way up through the "purge" in 2011, and it hardly ever got boring. It was a good mix of liberal and conservative (this was back before "conservative" and "republican" were considered dirty swear words in California, so hosts from both sides often had discussions on air and got along well despite the occasional disagreements).

Maybe I'm weird for my age (less than 40, more than 30), but I actually like AM, and, as has often been mentioned through out this thread, AM tends to do much better than FM with the hilly terrain around here.

As for the new format, I don't gamble, do sports, or any of that, so I'm disappointed to hear about the changeover – this despite the fact that I basically stopped listening regularly to KGO since 2011 (I have tuned in once in awhile to listen to the news from a different angle than the increasingly boring and repetitive KCBS, or maybe to catch one of the very few hosts left from pre-2011, but it had been getting increasingly worse, and now it's gone altogether).

I don't do Apple Music, Pandora or Spotify, but I did do YouTube for awhile until I got frustrated by the inconsistent quality. Amazon Music is OK, but some songs I like have a strange, phased quality that the same recording doesn't have when heard on other services, so I try to get hard copies of those songs where I can.

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Good point. I remember this was considered the tight congressional race in California which covered Sacramento area suburbs.



Y2K, let me see if I can help make your life a little easier.

Stop guessing. Stop remembering. The same device you use to post these can be used to look up current, verifiable facts. Do that, then post.

I just found the 2022 voter registration data. Sacramento is not a "Democrat majority media market". Seven counties make up the metro---Sacramento, Placer, El Dorado, Yolo, Yuba, Sutter and Nevada:

Sacramento County:

Democrat: 46%
Republican:25%
NPP (no party preference): 21%

Placer County:

Republican: 40%
Democrat: 32%
NPP: 19%

El Dorado County:

Republican: 40%
Democrat: 32%
NPP: 20%

Yolo County:

Democrat: 51%
Republican: 19%
NPP: 23%

Yuba County:

Republican: 39%
Democrat: 29%
NPP: 21%

Sutter County:

Republican: 40%
Democrat: 31%
NPP: 12%

Nevada County:

Democrat: 39%
Republican: 32%
NPP: 15%

If we broaden it out to the Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto media market for television, we add Amador, Calaveras, Tuolumne, Plumas, Sierra, Colusa, San Joaquin and Stanislaus, as well as the eastern part of Solano. We'll leave Solano out because there's no reliable data broken down for the county by east/west.

Amador County:

Republican: 47%
Democrat: 27%
NPP: 17%

Calaveras County:

Republican: 46%
Democrat: 27%
NPP: 17%

Tuolumne County:

Republican: 43%
Democrat: 29%
NPP: 19%

Plumas County:

Republican: 44%
Democrat: 28%
NPP: 19%

Sierra County:

Republican: 44%
Democrat: 27%
NPP: 19%

Colusa County:

Republican: 40%
Democrat: 32%
NPP: 22%

San Joaquin County:

Democrat: 44%
Republican: 28%
NPP: 21%

Stanislaus County:

Democrat: 39%
Republican: 34%
NPP: 19%


There are only three counties in the state with higher Republican registration percentages than Amador and Calaveras---Lassen at 56%, Modoc at 55% and Shasta at 50%, and only two other counties outside the Sacramento media market with GOP registrations higher than 39%. It is absolutely not a "Democrat majority media market."
There are more rural counties than there are urban counties, but the urban counties have more population than rural counties. Urban Counties like Sacramento and San Joaquin (Stockton) lean democratic. There might be some tight races in suburban congressional districts, but when you add it all up, Democrats control all statewide offices in California. I’m sure you have more listeners in the cities of Sacramento and Stockton than you have in the towns of Angels Camp and Yuba City.
 
People who recall KGO being "conservative" probably are thinking of the "glory days", when the station had a mix of hosts, from conservatives, to middle of the roaders like Michael Krazny, to Ray Taliaferro overnights (liberal and progressive, and quite a free thinkier, actually), to Bill Wattenberg. And at least from my perspective, even if I didn't agree with a host, they were articulate and fairly well informed, and entertaining for the most part.

To me, KGO during that period was what talk radio was supposed to be.
Exactly. Bill Wattenberg and John Rothmann were hardly liberal, but they were thoughtful and reasonable, and they didn’t yell, scream and spew disinformation like many of the yahoos on syndicated talk shows do today.
They covered the full political spectrum without the extremes. That was what a news talk radio station operated in the public interest should be. But that station died in 2011, not 2022.

Ahh yes. The public interest. Remember that. How is using a 50,000 radio station to encourage dad to bet junior’s college fund on the 49ers in the public interest? I know. The world has changed. We are not Boy Scouts any more, there is no higher power and its all about the money now. The sports stations here in Dallas have been running ads for strip clubs for years.

Sad. Just sad.

Our future is scary.
 
Ahh yes. The public interest. Remember that. How is using a 50,000 radio station to encourage dad to bet junior’s college fund on the 49ers in the public interest? I know. The world has changed.

Keep in mind that the reason this has become a radio format is because the public has voted for legalized gambling. Same with legalized CBD. Same with strip clubs and liquor stores. The people were given an opportunity to say no.
 
Keep in mind that the reason this has become a radio format is because the public has voted for legalized gambling. Same with legalized CBD. Same with strip clubs and liquor stores. The people were given an opportunity to say no.
Like I said, we aren’t Boy Scouts anymore. We aren’t afraid of a higher power. We voted all this stuff in and it is part of the media now.

It’s sad.
 
It helps to remember that San Francisco is a city and county with about one million people but the Bay Area is a nine-county area with 7.75 million people. Registered Republicans as of 2021 (newest I could find) make up 6.75% of San Francisco County voters, but 11% of Alameda, 13% of Marin, 14% of San Mateo, almost 17% of Santa Clara and Sonoma, almost 19% of Contra Costa, and 22% of Napa and Solano.
Michael, I'd appreciate your opinion and commentary: For at at least a decade I have found that there is a political mindset that we might call "financially conservative and socially liberal" in urban California that sets people apart from both Red and Blue.

It's not "Libertarian" (I've never met a Libertarian that had consistent perspectives with the next Libertarian) as that is too "no government at all" for most or us. And, for those of use who believe in some form of a Creator, we see extreme distancing from faith by both Libertarians and Democrats

It is a feeling that throwing money at social issues by treating the symptoms rather than the causes is not productive. This week's Newsome move to give Californians free "gas tax refund money" based on income would be a symptom treatment.

So what we have are a lot of what I'd call West Coast Conservatives who, to give an example or two, believe in first trimester abortion, qualified and screened increased immigration, amnesty and citizenship for "dreamers". But the don't agree with cutting police forces, some of the gender education at grade school level and the strenuous push away from fossil fuels without an adequate replacement infrastructure.

Because of that, many of us who were Reagan Republicans 40 years ago are now not nailed-to-the-wall republicans (with a small "r") today. So we are about 50% philosophically allied with the GOP, and, perhaps, equally allied with traditional Democrats and support universal health care and a lot of the long standing Democrat ideas.

So we register as Independents. We vote mixed tickets, and pay more attention to ballot initiatives than the candidates. We are a de facto and huge third part that has no spokespersons.

Note: this is liberal usage of "editorial we".
Given that the statewide average for GOP registration is 23.9%, some of those places aren't far off.
And there you have the real issue. This is one that makes talk radio programming so difficult in California.

Liberal talk never worked in CA (or anywhere else, either) mostly due to the lack of entertaining talent. Conservative talk using the Reagan definitions won't work. KFI has come the closest with more of the attitude that I'm describing... but mostly the have focused heavily on local issues in the LA metro that are seen as "talking about the news" rather than "political talk".

I used to listen several times a week to KGO when I programmed KTNQ. It had San Francisco flavor and that was what I tried to do with KTNQ: no national politics, absolutely no Mexican politics but lots of stuff about things like a school principal who punished kids for speaking Spanish at recess.

When the PPM arrived, KGO, however, had become too much of a "we are a voice of reason" and somewhat didactic. People don't want "a voice of reason" on the radio... they want someone to express their perspectives out loud, or someone to argue with as they talk. Some KGO talent sounded more like our college professor from Philosophy 101 and less like a voice of the people. They stopped being entertaining when they got too high and mighty. Then the PPM arrived and every "fix" they made was like putting Bondo on a car that was totaled.

So I think that there might be 40% to 50% of the coastal urban population in CA that fits in this sort of central zone. But most don't speak up as they are not woke enough for more progressive democrats (and in sectors ranging from government sector jobs to the entertainment and technology industries, that could put your employment in jeopardy) and they are not radically Trump & His Ship of Fools MAGA to be accepted by the loudest Republicans. So they shut up.

And there is no voice for this segment. Radio has ignored the possibility that there are many who think both parties are significantly wrong in many areas and don't want pure Red or pure Blue radio... they want, in true Hollywood tradition, a technicolor party that dissects both the left and the right and tries to unite somewhere near the middle.

Could that be an actual radio format? I think that it requires a lot of two-person hosted shows and some younger voices. It requires some non-binary voices as well as some believers in God along with some understanding of taxes, government spending and the like.
 
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There are more rural counties than there are urban counties, but the urban counties have more population than rural counties. Urban Counties like Sacramento and San Joaquin (Stockton) lean democratic. There might be some tight races in suburban congressional districts, but when you add it all up, Democrats control all statewide offices in California.
Old Grey, the erroneous point I was countering was that the Sacramento media market was a "Democrat majority market." The Democrats have a total voter registration advantage in all Sacramento media market counties of 232,931. And there are 1,800,000+ registered voters in those counties.

It's a plurality. It's a healthy-ish margin. It's not a majority.

There's only one county (Yolo) in the Sacramento media market which Democrats have a majority, and a slim one at that (51% of registered voters).

There are only 10 out of California's 58 counties that have a Democratic Party voter registration majority---Alameda (60.4%), Contra Costa (54%), Los Angeles (53.5%), Monterey (52.5%), Napa (50.5%), San Francisco (63%), San Mateo (56%), Santa Clara (51%), Santa Cruz (60%), Sonoma (57%). If you want a clue as to where the margins come from that allow Democrats to continue to win statewide races, start there.
 
Keep in mind that the reason this has become a radio format is because the public has voted for legalized gambling. Same with legalized CBD. Same with strip clubs and liquor stores. The people were given an opportunity to say no.
Except in California, which we're discussing, where the people's chance to vote comes November 8, and according to polling released last week, it's not looking favorable:

 
How is using a 50,000 radio station to encourage dad to bet junior’s college fund on the 49ers in the public interest?
Exactly. I get that there's been massive de-regulation in the industry, but at no time has the FCC formally said it is striking the words "to in serve the public interest as a public trustee".
 
Exactly. I get that there's been massive de-regulation in the industry, but at no time has the FCC formally said it is striking the words "to in serve the public interest as a public trustee".

At the same time, the FCC has never taken away a license citing that as the reason.

A hundred years ago, the government decided it didn't want to be in the broadcasting business. It was during the Calvin Coolidge administration. They wanted broadcasting to be run by private business, overseen by the Commerce Department. The Secretary of Commerce was a guy named Herbert Hoover. They put some lines in the Radio Act that talked about public interest, but they were just words. You'll find those same words in a lot of other public-private partnerships. Nothing special or unusual about radio.
 
Old Grey, the erroneous point I was countering was that the Sacramento media market was a "Democrat majority market." The Democrats have a total voter registration advantage in all Sacramento media market counties of 232,931. And there are 1,800,000+ registered voters in those counties.

It's a plurality. It's a healthy-ish margin. It's not a majority.

There's only one county (Yolo) in the Sacramento media market which Democrats have a majority, and a slim one at that (51% of registered voters).

There are only 10 out of California's 58 counties that have a Democratic Party voter registration majority---Alameda (60.4%), Contra Costa (54%), Los Angeles (53.5%), Monterey (52.5%), Napa (50.5%), San Francisco (63%), San Mateo (56%), Santa Clara (51%), Santa Cruz (60%), Sonoma (57%). If you want a clue as to where the margins come from that allow Democrats to continue to win statewide races, start there.
About 20% in every county don’t like either political party. That’s about where I am. That should be a good start towards something.
 
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