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Ford Reconsiders, Now Keeping AM Radio

I said this years ago that XM and Sirius (before the merger) changed everything by offering to pay car companies for space on their dashboards. My sense is that's what this is. GM is getting something from Google in exchange for this. A decision was made and Apple lost. There's really nothing radio companies can do about this because radio is not owned by one company. The government owns the spectrum. It's up to them to fight for space on the dash. Radio companies either have their own apps or TuneIn.
And historically any effort by radio to form an industry-wide consolidated in-car app or service would have been met with "the full weight of the government" in areas involving collusion, monopolies and anti-trust violations.

Remember, the NAB had to cease promoting and endorsing the "Code of Ethics" because it came under government review as collusion.
 
Most manufacturers also specify that they want Apple Car Play and Android Auto (different from Android Automotive)---again because of consumer demand.
My purchase of a new car a few months ago included a review of the system(s) offered. I picked my Porsche because of its easy, attractive and complete implementation of Car Play. That became more significant than gas mileage (awful, in fact) and other elements.
Volvo was early to Android Automotive, early enough that compatibility hadn't been worked out and the first eight months of production of 2022 Volvos were cars that weren't compatible with CarPlay or Android Auto. Those cars were then retrofitted via an over-the-air software update (I did one on a press vehicle in my driveway a few months back).
And that ambivalence made me discard Volvo from my list, despite feeling when I lived in Puerto Rico that Volvo was the best car for local roads ever built!
My guess is that Android Auto allows for other third-party apps that the manufacturer can make deals for and GM thinks it can make money with them. I expect it will backfire spectacularly and GM will be glad they can do OTA software updates and make their vehicles CarPlay and Android Auto compatible when they run up the white flag (though if they negotiated a deal with Google for a lowered price based on lowered functionality, they'll have to settle that first).
Of course, after a few bad experiences, I'd never buy an American car ever again... unless, maybe, it was a Tesla. Things like the GM decision confirm that U.S. manufacturers do what they want, not what consumers want and need... that goes back to, at least, the Edsel.
 
But clearly there was a competition and ApplePlay lost.
Yeah, but so did Android Auto (again, not to be confused with Android Automotive).

I don't think Google makes as much money from the deal with GM, unless it gets a cut of whoever GM thinks it can lure onto its dashboards. It's selling GM a reduced-functionality version of AA that it sells fully functional to other automakers.
 
And that ambivalence made me discard Volvo from my list, despite feeling when I lived in Puerto Rico that Volvo was the best car for local roads ever built!
It wasn't so much ambivalence as Volvo sticking to its timeline of rolling out Android Auto in its 2022 model line even though it wasn't fully functional. Every other automaker waited until 2023 or later---specifically so they wouldn't have a delay in full functionality (Apple CarPlay/Android Auto).

That said, a lot of people were pissed at Volvo, and I wrote one of my rougher reviews about it:


Of course, after a few bad experiences, I'd never buy an American car ever again... unless, maybe, it was a Tesla. Things like the GM decision confirm that U.S. manufacturers do what they want, not what consumers want and need... that goes back to, at least, the Edsel.

GM's decision is the same as Tesla's----you can't get CarPlay or Android Auto in their cars, either. Elon wants to control, and if possible profit from what's in his dashboards.
 
GM's decision is the same as Tesla's----you can't get CarPlay or Android Auto in their cars, either. Elon wants to control, and if possible profit from what's in his dashboards.
The question there is whether Tesla's software engineers are better at doing specific brand car apps than Android Auto or CarPlay techs are at writing a on-size-for-all adaptable version for every possible manufacturer of vehicles.

My daughter saw a new car display at the biggest shopping center in Santiago, Chile last year. There were well over 100 models in the aisles of a center bigger than Mall of the Americas in Minnesota! All but about a dozen were Chinese models. Nothing from the US or Europe at all.

People who did test drives on a simulator were laughing at the Spanish language software in one Chinese model that would say "accelerate softly until you hit the car in front of you". Yeah, it was OK if it was "soft".
 
That said, a lot of people were pissed at Volvo, and I wrote one of my rougher reviews about it:

And I agree with you. As a Volvo owner now, I wouldn't trade for a newer one precisely because of their horrible infotainment system alone. I got a new fully-loaded 2023 XC60 while my wife's was being serviced, and found the UI to be completely unacceptable. Of course one of the sales folks hit me up when I came in to get my car back, to trade in mine for something like the loaner. My response was: Very nice car, with awful electronics and user interface. I can't see myself dropping close to $70K on something that would just frustrate the Hell out of me. I kind of felt sorry for the salesman, because the look on his face made it clear he'd heard that before.
GM's decision is the same as Tesla's----you can't get CarPlay or Android Auto in their cars, either. Elon wants to control, and if possible profit from what's in his dashboards
Which is strange. My middle son's two-year-old GMC pickup has Apple CarPlay already in it. Ironically he never uses the radio, but CarPlay is linked all the time.

GM's decision is the same as Tesla's----you can't get CarPlay or Android Auto in their cars, either. Elon wants to control, and if possible profit from what's in his dashboards.
In the beginning sales of the Model 3 and X, Tesla records and sells all your data while in the vehicle. That includes what you do on the UI, and every sound or word that's spoken in the vehicle, plus whatever all the little cameras see.
 
I used Apple CarPlay for the first time last month in a Toyota rental car. With CarPlay engaged, the only button for audio, by default, was Apple Music, a service I do not subscribe to.

You could use AM/FM, but you could not see things like RDS, or even the frequency you were tuned to.

If General Motors can get a couple nickels out of iHeart or Audacy to have their apps be first-class citizens like Apple Music is with CarPlay, that's probably a win for the industry.
 
People who did test drives on a simulator were laughing at the Spanish language software in one Chinese model that would say "accelerate softly until you hit the car in front of you". Yeah, it was OK if it was "soft".

My first wife was, when I met her, Assistant Director of Elections in Maricopa County, Arizona. In 1988, they were rolling out machines that you would feed your ballot into on your way out the door, and they needed instructions in English and Spanish.

Unfortunately, what the sign actually said was "Before you leave, eat your ballot."
 
My first wife was, when I met her, Assistant Director of Elections in Maricopa County, Arizona. In 1988, they were rolling out machines that you would feed your ballot into on your way out the door, and they needed instructions in English and Spanish.

Unfortunately, what the sign actually said was "Before you leave, eat your ballot."
If Maricopa were a Republican county back then except for its Hispanic population, that would have been an excellent GOP dirty trick to keep the Dukakis vote down.
 
And I agree with you. As a Volvo owner now, I wouldn't trade for a newer one precisely because of their horrible infotainment system alone. I got a new fully-loaded 2023 XC60 while my wife's was being serviced, and found the UI to be completely unacceptable. Of course one of the sales folks hit me up when I came in to get my car back, to trade in mine for something like the loaner. My response was: Very nice car, with awful electronics and user interface. I can't see myself dropping close to $70K on something that would just frustrate the Hell out of me. I kind of felt sorry for the salesman, because the look on his face made it clear he'd heard that before.

Yeah. I mean, even with Apple CarPlay, it's a screen that proves the point of every worst critic of touchscreens---a clinic on what not to do (all functions buried in the screen, multiple pages, an unlabeled "Home" button and the owners' manual accessible only via the screen unless you ask the dealer to include a physical copy on delivery (or unless they've been singed so often that they're finally doing that on their own.

Which is strange. My middle son's two-year-old GMC pickup has Apple CarPlay already in it. Ironically he never uses the radio, but CarPlay is linked all the time.

I drive 104 cars a year. Apart from the Volvos during the not-ready-for-primetime phase, I can't think of one that didn't have Apple CarPlay/Android Auto functionality. Tesla does not provide vehicles for review (Car and Driver had to buy one to do a test three years ago).

And that may be Elon and GM's pet peeve: Once you have CarPlay pop up on your dashboard, you're unlikely to go back into their menu for anything.

Android Automotive (the bigger operating system that Volvo and Honda are using and that GM and Ford are going to) was originally Google's plan for a CarPlay killer. But they wised up pretty quickly when they saw the research about CarPlay's users.

A lot of what was supposed to make Android Automotive appealing (built-in Maps, voice assistant, etc...which would allow the automakers to dump theirs) is made redundant by those same features being in Apple CarPlay. Most people running Apple CarPlay on the Android Automotive platform will never know the Google stuff is even there, or use it.
 
I used Apple CarPlay for the first time last month in a Toyota rental car. With CarPlay engaged, the only button for audio, by default, was Apple Music, a service I do not subscribe to.

You could use AM/FM, but you could not see things like RDS, or even the frequency you were tuned to.

What music service do you use?

And yes, you can see RDS and frequency...just take the main menu from CarPlay back to Toyota's "home" and select "audio" instead of "CarPlay".

If General Motors can get a couple nickels out of iHeart or Audacy to have their apps be first-class citizens like Apple Music is with CarPlay, that's probably a win for the industry.

If the iHeart and/or Audacy apps are on your phone, they'll show up on CarPlay.

By the way, inside your phone, you can configure the order in which your apps show up on a CarPlay screen, so users can make iHeart or Audacy appear on page one and hide or delete Apple Music if they wish.
 
Uh oh, warning warning! Thread swerve to nostalgic politics in process..

Truth be told, Kelly, because the County government was VERY Republican at the time, my first thought was "Yeah, you guys would LOVE for all the Spanish-speaking voters to eat those ballots instead, wouldn't you?

Skeptical journalist at work.
 
Truth be told, Kelly, because the County government was VERY Republican at the time, my first thought was "Yeah, you guys would LOVE for all the Spanish-speaking voters to eat those ballots instead, wouldn't you?

Skeptical journalist at work.
Oh see now there you go Mike, involving politics and now Spanish speakers... Soon we'll get the double whammy: party politics and David schooling us in the Hispanic take on politics. Soon AM radio in vehicles will be a distant memory.
 
Oh see now there you go Mike, involving politics and now Spanish speakers... Soon we'll get the double whammy: party politics and David schooling us in the Hispanic take on politics. Soon AM radio in vehicles will be a distant memory.
Well, yes. And thanks for getting this thread back on topic,
 
What music service do you use?
None.

And yes, you can see RDS and frequency...just take the main menu from CarPlay back to Toyota's "home" and select "audio" instead of "CarPlay".
I plugged in the USB because my phone was low on charge. Doing so automatically configured CarPlay, and went straight to Apple Maps (where I had a route in progress). I was never presented a "menu", only a side bar to place a phone call, use Apple Maps, or use Apple Music.

I personally think farming out the car's infotainment to a phone is a terrible idea. Cars last a long time, and Apple and especially Google products do not.
 
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