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Good Karma To Lease 880; WCBS News Programming To End
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The Big Ten wanted Rutgers for the NY television market not the school itself. They never should have joined the conference, they are a horrible fit.
JeeperOne
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But they didn't so the point is moot
Like Audacy wasn't trying to do that & give it some other callsign {Or move the WCBS calls off 101.1)??
If someone can explain to me how can WINS double their billing because WCBS news is gone. If you say well they will double their billing prices, then they are hoping their will be time buyers with the higher prices. Well let see if that happens. This issue has more to it then we have been told somehow.
How much interest in Rutgers is there in the NYC TV market, outside of Noo Joizey? I'll guess little to none.
JeeperOne
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WFMB and WFMB-FM are licensed to Springfield IL.
I don’t think anyone but people who go to school there care about Rutgers.
Rutgers basketball in the Big Ten will likely draw more ears to its radio broadcast than the Nets, who after years of inept management, probably have the smallest local fan base among the big four team sports.
The Knicks have been horribly managed for decades and it doesn’t matter. The Nets much like the Mets are second fiddle.
With USC and UCLA now in the Big 10. More value is added to the conference
Diluted is more like it. Just like Stanford going to the ACC. It doesn’t help anyone.
This is the wrong math. I don't think that anyone assumed that WINS would double its billing.
The math is that WINS will marginally increase its billings due to an assumed increase in listeners. 880 will see a reduction in billing, but a likely increase in profits due to not having to shoulder the cost of an expensive news operation. Net result should be overall better performance for Audacy stakeholders.
The jury is still out on the long-term viability of the all-news format. But for now, Audacy is trying to make the best use of the assets it has.
I don’t think anyone is expecting WINS to double their billing (or audience size). However, I think it is reasonable to expect an increase in billing, even if not double. With the broadcast radio advertising market in a slump, even staying the same and not decreasing would be a win for some.
Why not? As we've already discussed, CBS has the rights to the call letters. No one else can get the WCBS calls without its permission. Every now-and-then, you find someone try to get a set of calls when it doesn't have the rights, and they quickly get served a C&D with a threat to file a lawsuit.
No one expects that, including Audacy. I suspect Audacy believes WCBS going away will increase billing at WINS, but it knows it's not going to be twofold. Even if the entire WCBS audience went to WINS, billing wouldn't likely double. Audacy expects its total revenue to go up due to a combined keeping the sports programming that makes it money on 880, LMA fees for WHSQ, lower overhead due to staff reductions, and increased billing at WINS. If total revenue goes up by $1, this move was a success.
K.M. Richards
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No, they do not have to put them elsewhere. In fact, the CBS/Entercom agreement basically says that once surrendered, they no longer are available to any entity other than CBS itself.
Please explain by what logic you have determined that Audacy (the renamed Entercom, not "Audacity", the music editing software) has to put the calls somewhere, now that they no longer have the right to use them on AM.
The Rutgers team could probably beat the Nets at this point
I think HSQ stands for Hudson Square since that’s where Audacy New York’s headquarters are. Good Karma Brands owns WEPN.
Some facts about FCC callsign policies that I hope will clear up a lot of misunderstanding. (Pat, please pay close attention, since you've been a prolific source of misinformation here!)
First: just because the WCBS calls are leaving AM doesn't mean WCBS-FM or WCBS-TV have to do anything.
The FCC doesn't care whether an FM or TV station's callsign includes the -FM or -TV suffix *unless* it's needed to differentiate from an AM station, which never has a suffix.
There's no reason WCBS-TV can't remain WCBS-TV if it wants to. Or, it could do what WNBC-TV did and become just "WCBS." But really, why bother?
Because, as others have mentioned, control of the base "WCBS" callsign still rests with Paramount, for two reasons.
First, the FCC policy says that whoever's had use of the base callsign longest can control whether any other owner can use it on other services.
As the corporate successor of CBS, which first used the WCBS call across all three services in 1946, Paramount has final say about whether it will grant permission to any other licensee to use "WCBS" anywhere else - AM, LPFM, LPTV, whatever.
And Paramount has already sorted out that issue. The contract for selling the CBS radio stations to Entercom is public and anyone can read it and understand what it says.
For the four radio callsigns that included the letters "CBS" (WCBS and WCBS-FM in New York, KCBS San Francisco, KCBS-FM LA), Entercom and its successors have until 2037 to keep using those calls. They were required to stop using the CBS Eye logo in 2018, and there's a provision that if any of those four stations change format, they have to change calls.
That's why WCBS is becoming WHSQ. It has to.
The agreement also said Entercom can't move those calls anywhere else. They can't put WCBS on 1010, for instance.
For the other shared calls - WBZ, KYW, KDKA, WBBM, WCCO - Entercom and its successors have a perpetual agreement to share those calls on the stations that were using them in 2017, but nowhere else. That's why KYW's FM is still WPHI.
Could Audacy's lawyers have sat down with Paramount and negotiated a new contract to use KYW-FM? Yeah, sure, probably - but again, why expend the billable hours?
This is all much more straightforward than most of you are trying to make it. Don't overthink it - it's all in black and white in the contract.
First: just because the WCBS calls are leaving AM doesn't mean WCBS-FM or WCBS-TV have to do anything.
The FCC doesn't care whether an FM or TV station's callsign includes the -FM or -TV suffix *unless* it's needed to differentiate from an AM station, which never has a suffix.
There's no reason WCBS-TV can't remain WCBS-TV if it wants to. Or, it could do what WNBC-TV did and become just "WCBS." But really, why bother?
Because, as others have mentioned, control of the base "WCBS" callsign still rests with Paramount, for two reasons.
First, the FCC policy says that whoever's had use of the base callsign longest can control whether any other owner can use it on other services.
As the corporate successor of CBS, which first used the WCBS call across all three services in 1946, Paramount has final say about whether it will grant permission to any other licensee to use "WCBS" anywhere else - AM, LPFM, LPTV, whatever.
And Paramount has already sorted out that issue. The contract for selling the CBS radio stations to Entercom is public and anyone can read it and understand what it says.
For the four radio callsigns that included the letters "CBS" (WCBS and WCBS-FM in New York, KCBS San Francisco, KCBS-FM LA), Entercom and its successors have until 2037 to keep using those calls. They were required to stop using the CBS Eye logo in 2018, and there's a provision that if any of those four stations change format, they have to change calls.
That's why WCBS is becoming WHSQ. It has to.
The agreement also said Entercom can't move those calls anywhere else. They can't put WCBS on 1010, for instance.
For the other shared calls - WBZ, KYW, KDKA, WBBM, WCCO - Entercom and its successors have a perpetual agreement to share those calls on the stations that were using them in 2017, but nowhere else. That's why KYW's FM is still WPHI.
Could Audacy's lawyers have sat down with Paramount and negotiated a new contract to use KYW-FM? Yeah, sure, probably - but again, why expend the billable hours?
This is all much more straightforward than most of you are trying to make it. Don't overthink it - it's all in black and white in the contract.
Our universities here in New England don't arouse much interest even when the teams are good, except for UConn's basketball program. In New York, Syracuse is something of a sleeping giant, but its glory days in basketball are two decades in the past, and the football program has struggled for even longer. Being in the ACC instead of the old Big East hasn't helped at all.
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