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The Future Of 1050

I'm starting to think that Good Karma wasn't honest with everyone, at least publicly. It WANTS to keep ESPN Radio running 24/7 on 1050. As said above, advertisers on ESPN Radio like to know their spots are getting cleared on a NYC station. OK, ratings aren't great but it's still on the air.

So that's why Good Karma knew it was NOT going to take the local shows off 98.7 and put them onto 1050. 1050 has to clear all those ESPN spots. Good Karma needed another outlet for local sports shows plus the Knicks and Rangers. But I wonder who approached who? Did Audacy say, "Hey Good Karma, we've got a 50,000 watt clear channel non-directional outlet for you when you leave 98.7"? Or did Good Karma say, "Hey Audacy, do you have any frequency you'd be willing to give up where we can relocate our local sports talk shows, along with the Rangers and Knicks"?

Maybe Good Karma thought it could make a deal to relocate WEPN-FM to 94.7? Here's a coincidence. Classic Hip Hop WXBK 94.7 has the exact same ratings as WCBS 880. They're both tied for #19. Or maybe Good Karma wanted 660 since everything on 660 is also on 101.9? Instead of WFAN, they could have used 660 for WHSQ? Still sports but this time its ESPN Sports.
 
Gregg. said:
I wonder who approached who?
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That's a good question. My take is that GKB approached Audacy. The minute they lost the Jets, they wanted to add another local team. The Mets were the obvious choice since they're not on WFAN. So perhaps they approached about the Mets, and then this idea of an LMA surfaced. My sense is this came together fairly quickly, as in the last few weeks. Because they did the Beasley deal in January. So this came after that. Had they known this was a possibility in January, they would not have done the deal with Beasley.
 
Ex-RadioTV said:
I’m thinking the 1050 signal isn’t that great either.
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That’s the day AND night pattern for WEPN.
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It's a great signal as long as you're in the city and most points east and north. The former WHN site was taken for development of what eventually became the American Dream mall, so 1050 got a brand new site to the east at no cost. New towers, new ground system, new everything, and it's still barely 15 years old.

It breathes fire straight across the Hudson into the city.
 
fybush said:
I'm not as sold on the 1050 signal as you are. Yes, the co-channel protection is mostly to XEG (and to some extent CHUM) at night, but the first adjacent protection is brutal because of KYW on 1060. It's not really a competitive signal in most of central NJ, which is why the Knicks and Rangers were in a hurry to sign up affiliates in New Brunswick and on the shore to make up for the loss of 98.7. (That was before anyone knew 880 was in play, of course.)
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But... outside of sports, ad buys are based on the metro and "Central New Jersey" is not in the New York MSA.

Back when the format there was country, it did pretty well in all the NJ and suburban NY counties in the metro, although in the City and the Boroughs is was pretty dismal.
 
TheBigA said:
I think the intent was to satisfy the teams, not for ad sales. The stations in those markets would sell the games locally.
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Agree totally. The teams look at where butts in seats come from... where merchandise is sold, not Nielsen maps.

That's why all-sports as a format is significantly immune to the limits of Metro Survey Areas, ratings in general, and traditional ad budgets. All of this makes Good Karma's move very sensible in today's radio environment.
 
So, the Mets will be on 880 no matter what. When the Knicks and Rangers are playing at the same time, how will they be divided?
 
DavidEduardo said:
But... outside of sports, ad buys are based on the metro and "Central New Jersey" is not in the New York MSA.

Back when the format there was country, it did pretty well in all the NJ and suburban NY counties in the metro, although in the City and the Boroughs is was pretty dismal.
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Middlesex, Somerset and Union are very much in the Metro and also very much in the 1050 null. Same with Passaic and a good chunk of Bergen and Rockland.
 
fybush said:
Middlesex, Somerset and Union are very much in the Metro and also very much in the 1050 null. Same with Passaic and a good chunk of Bergen and Rockland.
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But the population density decreases as you move outward. The signal in the heavily populated areas of those counties is adequate if not great.

I was once involved in due diligence on that one, and the question came up of why they had not moved the whole site 10 miles or so to the west. They were afraid of losing listeners in Manhattan... yet Arbitron showed they had nearly no listeners there anyway!
 
DavidEduardo said:
But the population density decreases as you move outward. The signal in the heavily populated areas of those counties is adequate if not great.

I was once involved in due diligence on that one, and the question came up of why they had not moved the whole site 10 miles or so to the west. They were afraid of losing listeners in Manhattan... yet Arbitron showed they had nearly no listeners there anyway!
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How bad would the signal have been over Manhattan had they done that move?
 
DavidEduardo said:
But... outside of sports, ad buys are based on the metro and "Central New Jersey" is not in the New York MSA.

Back when the format there was country, it did pretty well in all the NJ and suburban NY counties in the metro, although in the City and the Boroughs is was pretty dismal.
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In the Summer of 1974, I was in New Hope,Pa. and got WHN clearly on my transistor radio in the daytime. I was surprised.
 
1050 when it was WMGM in the 50's - early 60's signal (as shown above, was like that in WMGM days if I recall correctly), they had to move a tower abit (3 tower array) when the New Jersey Turnpike added a new N/S group of lanes. 1050 signal in it RnR days was decent west of the site in Northern NJ, compared to 1010 WINS which had 4 little lobes on its back side.
About WINS, I had mentioned this before, in the town I grew up in in Northern NJ, WINS came in good on the kitchen radio . . . but WMGM came in better and when you drove around WINS signal was "not too good" until they re-did the transmitter site in the mid 90's.
Back in the 50's / 60's, when the two stations played RnR, driving around listening to WMGM 1050 was better than the signal WINS 1010 had at the time.
I'd say today the 1010 signal is better overall than 1050's to the west.
 
DavidEduardo said:
But... outside of sports, ad buys are based on the metro and "Central New Jersey" is not in the New York MSA.

Back when the format there was country, it did pretty well in all the NJ and suburban NY counties in the metro, although in the City and the Boroughs is was pretty dismal.
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Was 1050 the former WHN? I believe they had the contract to broadcast the NY Mets game.
 
sjs1959 said:
So, the Mets will be on 880 no matter what. When the Knicks and Rangers are playing at the same time, how will they be divided?
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And now, WMTR 1250AM as an oldies station in Morristown, NJ would bring back the Knicks and Rangers games in October where they will pre-empting most of “Doo-Wop Drive” as part of a “Doo-Wop Double Feature” with Allan David Stein starting in October, and you will be “Shoo-Bop, Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong and the Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo-Be” upset. If there is no Knicks or Rangers games, “Doo-Wop Drive” will be at a special time.

This is the problem with WHSQ’s (formerly WCBS) 880 which is “ESPN Radio” is carrying Knicks and Rangers while WMTR 1250AM is doing the same thing, due to its competition.
 
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