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Saving AM Radio

You can say the exact same thing about cable news network MsNBC. They never have a pro Trump person on their network and I mean NEVER.
Only Progressives and Trump hating Republicans. It's the same thing. Preaching to the choir.
Apples and oranges. MSNBC -- just like FNC -- covers most nonpolitical news in a straightforward, nonpolitical way. There's no left/right angle to exploit in an 18-vehicle pileup on a foggy Nebraska interstate, or a kid in Ireland finding a note in a bottle sent from Cape Cod 80 years ago. Talk radio is one topic, one view, pounded into the ground, non-stop.
 
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You can say the exact same thing about cable news network MsNBC. They never have a pro Trump person on their network and I mean NEVER.
Only Progressives and Trump hating Republicans. It's the same thing. Preaching to the choir.
MSNBC is corporate media as much as anything else is. They aren't exactly demanding to be nationalized by the government. MSNBC viewers are upset about the sanewashing of Trump late in the campaign. Chris Licht's CNN tried to be Fox Lite and failed. You may have heard the name Scott Jennings.
 
Progressive don't like to admit that liberal talk never worked on radio but they love to complain about conservative talk radio even though they had a chance to suport liberal talk and didn't.
Oligarch owners of stations simply refuse to give soupbox to talkers with views that challenge their power.
 
Oligarch owners of stations simply refuse to give soupbox
I presume you mean "soap". Soup in a box would be kinda' soggy.
to talkers with views that challenge their power.
That is not true (aside from your incorrect use of the term "oligarch" in this case). Clear Channel put Air America on over a dozen stations when it was "new". In a couple of markets it did well initially, but it faded rather rapidly.

The general opinion was that many conservative hosts like Limbaugh were entertaining, but progressives tended to be too serious; they sounded like a political rally and not a talk show.
 
That's what I've never understood about the appeal of right-wing talk radio. Aren't its listeners confident enough in their opinions that they don't need to have them regurgitated at them every single day on the radio?
I like to compare this subject with sports. Sports fans like to gather at bars, the backyard and the lunchroom and rehash the most recent games, talk about players and predict the next round. Same goes for political talk radio.

In fact, I think we should consider talk stations to be the equivalent of sports. In several nations where I have programmed talk, we considered politics to the the national sport, as popular as soccer in Argentina and more popular than basketball in Puerto Rico.
 
Considering the programming offered -- nonstop one-sided "news" and talk program funded by the uber-wealthy, dollar-a-hollar preaching and ethnic programming (similarly endless suffocating non-English right-wing rants funded by partisan millionaires) -- it's not worth saving, IMO.
Ethnic programming probably has very little 'non-English right wing rants'. I don't hear any political talk on the local, or DX, ethnic stations. Banda and norteno music on the local Regional Mexican stations, some talk that doesn't appear political in bent, Hindi/Punjabi hip-hop, Indian Movie Music and Sikh prayer chants on the Punjabi stations, Asian ballads and pop on the Chinese language ones.... For a lot of ethnic and immigrant groups, the AM stations are their main locally-oriented mass media. The preaching isn't for everyone but it's important to a lot of religious people. The two local Catholic stations are funded mostly by donations, and they're still around. I know some Catholics who tune in. Until a couple months ago the only place you could hear Classic Country locally on the radio was AM.

I wouldn't say that the medium is not worth saving. Let it run its course, just the same with FM and TV....
 
That's what I've never understood about the appeal of right-wing talk radio. Aren't its listeners confident enough in their opinions that they don't need to have them regurgitated at them every single day on the radio? I'm liberal on more issues than I'm conservative, yet I never listened to Air America and only occasionally do I listen to NPR; most of my public radio listening is to musical programming. I try to stay informed on the issues that interest me, and once I've determined where I stand on those issues, listening to others make the same arguments on the radio is just about the most boring way to use radio that I can think of.
You may be looking at it from the perspective of a newspaper guy.... However, the average radio listener, or average media consumer wasn't trained in journalism. They get their news and opinions from media like online podcasts, social media, and political shows on AM radio (and FM, wherever those stations lean political). I see a lot of questionable 'facts' brought up on social media by both sides of the political spectrum, yet there are a lot of educated people who buy into them, because they weren't trained as you were -- or I was -- to seek documentation to back up the 'facts'..... Stuff they taught us in journalism school.

It's probably the same with a lot of what you've noticed whenever you hear talk radio. People buying into whatever facts are presented. But most people aren't taught how to seek documentation. It's confirmation bias in action, and confirmation bias has been around as long as humanity's been around...

And I think BigA's comment about it being a sense of community is also fairly accurate. One of Rush Limbaugh's greatest 'successes' (If you could call it that) was Dan's Bake Sale. It really wasn't overtly political, but was an example of 'community' in action. Unfortunately, there isn't much of that aspect in a lot of political talk anymore. The medium's changed. There may be some examples in other radio formats, though. I know George Noory does live events. A lot of music stations have live appearances at concerts and the like. Using radio to bring a sense of community.
 
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no AM (I skimmed the comments, didn't see any about the lack of an AM radio and the owners manual doesn't mention AM radio)?

Maybe the efforts to try to save AM radio should be worded so that if a radio set has an FM tuner, it must have an AM tuner.


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Maybe the efforts to try to save AM radio should be worded so that if a radio set has an FM tuner, it must have an AM tuner.
I honestly don't see anyone who is buying even a cheap in home system needing AM radio. You honestly can't hear any stations, except the strongest AM signals against the background noise emitted from every screen, every vacuum, and anything that runs on electricity in or near your home. So far as forcing a manufacture to include something no one wants at added to cost to the product, I'm against that. Let the consumer decide and if they choose to find a tuner with AM great. If not don't force the 99.9999999 percent of other consumers to pay for something most don't use or want.

Please don't go in to the you "need" AM in case of a national emergency or in case nuke is 10 minutes out and inbound. This is a home system that was described and it will not be working without electricity. If the electric grid is working, you'll get all the emergency information you need from FM, internet, your cell phone or other sources.

I lost count of how many AM stations were reported silent on this board this month. AM is over and we need to accept that. Forcing consumers to buy an AM tuner seems to be to be similar to forcing 1907 Ford model T owners to buy horse shoes just in case the new fangled gadget doesn't work out.
 
Oligarch owners of stations simply refuse to give soupbox to talkers with views that challenge their power.
That's a good point.
The owners spread false assumptions, like "local talk doesn't work," which is clearly not the case.
 
The owners spread false assumptions, like "local talk doesn't work," which is clearly not the case.

Depends on which owners you're talking about. Audacy talk stations are almost completely local talk hosts. Even iHeart's biggest talk stations such as KFI, KOA, WRKO, and WLW are all local hosts. They usually put the syndication on a secondary AM, while keeping local hosts on the bigger signal.
 
That's a good point.
The owners spread false assumptions, like "local talk doesn't work," which is clearly not the case.
Local talk is very expensive, which is why it is only done in larger markets or on established heritage stations.

You can't do much local talk in smaller markets where local retail business has disappeared in the wave of Targets and Walmarts and revenue is off in some cases as much as 75% in inflation-adjusted dollars.

The biggest factor behind programming decisions is economics, not politics.
 
Local talk is very expensive, which is why it is only done in larger markets or on established heritage stations.

You can't do much local talk in smaller markets where local retail business has disappeared in the wave of Targets and Walmarts and revenue is off in some cases as much as 75% in inflation-adjusted dollars.

The biggest factor behind programming decisions is economics, not politics.
Of course, small markets can't afford hosts.
Local talk is doing very well in Kansas City, KMBZ-FM 98.1 is often in the Top 5 in ratings.
Its daytime is all local, syndicated at night. Very little politics as well.

From what I read online, the station's owners originally (naively) believed simply transferring their all-conservative political programming on 970AM to FM "to reach the younger demos" would make them wealthy.

However, ratings tanked and even fewer younger adults wanted to listen to the narrow programming.

They brought in a real PD who programmed it local.
And it's entertaining. Refreshing not to hear wall-to-wall 24 hours a day how "the Dems are ALWAYS WRONG!" and "God is a Repub.!"

Its programming is interesting even to non-residents. Talk about the local sports team, celebs, other things in the news.

Yes, it's a "heritage" station, but so is (or was) 710 KCMO, which was Kansas City's first full-time talk station in the late 1980s.
Today, it's another right-wing clone and at the very bottom of ratings.

How's that ONLY WE ARE RIGHT baloney working out for you?
 
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Forcing consumers to buy an AM tuner seems to be to be similar to forcing 1907 Ford model T owners to buy horse shoes just in case the new fangled gadget doesn't work out.
Curved Dash Oldsmobiles had been around since 1901, and Benz did it 15 years earlier.

AM worked really good back then. ;)
 


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