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KSFO To 810

There was that whole thing with streaming royalties in the UK, PRS(?) got a court ruling against TuneIn for selling ads to UK listeners but not paying royalties on the content. TuneIn wanted stations to pay the royalties but the ad revenue TuneIn shared with non-UK stations was so low it wouldn't come close to covering it (at least in our case). So TuneIn blocked non-UK streams unless they showed proof they were paying UK music royalties. Here's an article on International Stations Now Restricted on TuneIn and I ran across this from 2022: TuneIn starts to remove UK radio stations from its platform

So I assume other non-UK broadcasters are probably being "safe", and as @fybus said, GDPR, Cookie Notifications, etc and the fact that there really isn't much revenue to be chased there... easier just to block.

IAMAL but it seems the UK lawsuit was aimed at non-UK broadcasters who were monetizing streams in the UK without paying UK music royalties.

(Wow just realized how off-topic I have gotten!)
 
fybush said:
Isn't it mostly a compliance issue - blocking the UK/EU from access means you don't have to deal with complying with all the GDPR privacy requirements, cookie notification and so on that the EU mandates?
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It might be to do with that. Audacy sites give a blank page with a message that the site "isn't currently available in the EU", even though the UK isn't. Cumulus sites just show a message saying that you've been blocked for security reasons, which is a variation on the same thing a lot of sites from smaller operators show.
 
Miss Tuned said:
It might be to do with that. Audacy sites give a blank page with a message that the site "isn't currently available in the EU", even though the UK isn't. Cumulus sites just show a message saying that you've been blocked for security reasons, which is a variation on the same thing a lot of sites from smaller operators show.
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Cumulus is using Cloudflare to block UK access, as indicated by a message at the bottom of the screen that appears when access is attempted. The smaller operators may be doing the same.

Cloudflare has a mixed reputation in the cybersecurity community, and blocking access based on a non-cybersecurity concern is unlikely to enhance it, in my opinion.
 
Mark Roberts said:
Cumulus is using Cloudflare to block UK access, as indicated by a message at the bottom of the screen that appears when access is attempted. The smaller operators may be doing the same.

Cloudflare has a mixed reputation in the cybersecurity community, and blocking access based on a non-cybersecurity concern is unlikely to enhance it, in my opinion.
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Some operators, notably iHeart, allow you to view the site but not listen to the stream, which seems like it's probably copyright-related.

All of these restrictions go away with the most basic VPN. If they really cared, they could block known VPNs from accessing their resources in the same way that they block known British ISPs (I'm with "Zen", which is not one of the largest ones), but they don't, it's just theater.
 
Perhaps the 560 frequency could be used by a local noncommercial outlet, such as KALW.

Or, perhaps more realistically, that spot on the radio dial may well be fated to be yet another JoyFM outlet.
 
Funkalicious said:
Perhaps the 560 frequency could be used by a local noncommercial outlet, such as KALW.

Or, perhaps more realistically, that spot on the radio dial may well be fated to be yet another JoyFM outlet.
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TomƔsEstefan said:
Might make more sense to simulcast KPFA
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All three ideas are extremely unlikely. How would an FM benefit in any way from having a simulcast on AM? Most organizations are doing the opposite. Plus they would either have to pay Cumulus an LMA fee or they'd have to buy the station. We know that Pacifica has no money for such a thing, and same for the school system.

The most realistic plan is Cumulus finds an LMA from Bloomberg or a religious group.
 
Funkalicious said:
Perhaps the 560 frequency could be used by a local noncommercial outlet, such as KALW.
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Why would KALW even want it? Besides, they've had 83 years during which they've been satisfied with their FM signal...and didn't upgrade it when that would have been easy to do.

In my own speculative world, I would have liked to see KALW acquire the 92.1 Walnut Creek signal and simulcast into the Diablo Valley, since there's no way KALW is going to reach there otherwise. But I suspect the money isn't there in the SFUSD for acquisitions.
 
TheBigA said:
How would an FM benefit in any way from having a simulcast on AM? Most organizations are doing the opposite.
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True, it's usually the AM looking for an FM to simulcast on. However, there have been several California cases of religious or public FM's getting AM's to extend their signals. Two that come to mind: KCLU-FM (NPR for Ventura County & Central California) buying 1340 AM in Santa Barbara (which ironically also has an FM translator), and KWVE-FM (religion) in San Clemente purchasing 50kw 1110 AM in Los Angeles.
 
In my experience, public stations that have tried to use AM as signal filler haven't had much success with it, which is why it's been quite a while since anyone has done it. I think KCLU was the last to try and that's quite a while back now. They've turned to an FM translator now and I think that's getting most of the listeners.
 
fybush said:
In my experience, public stations that have tried to use AM as signal filler haven't had much success with it, which is why it's been quite a while since anyone has done it. I think KCLU was the last to try and that's quite a while back now. They've turned to an FM translator now and I think that's getting most of the listeners.
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Colorado Public Radio still has 1490 KCFC in Boulder, but there's a translator to go along with it, all of which are dutifully announced on KCFR's TOH IDs. While KCFR is a C1 on Lookout Mountain, it's kind of a substandard C1 and Lookout isn't as good a transmitting site as one might think, all of which may have necessitated the fill-ins in the Flatirons foothills. KCFR is always in mono.
 
Heard on the KPH SDR tuned to 810: KGO/KSFO calls itself "560 Talkradio KSFO" just before the top of hour. TOH ID makes no effort to bury the KGO legal ID; it comes after the KSAN-HD2 ID; KSFO ID comes first.

After Fox News and traffic (bringing back lukewarm memories of Foster City):

"Set it now to KSFO, 810 AM"

There's a certain lack of coordination here, I think.
 
Mark Roberts said:
Heard on the KPH SDR tuned to 810: KGO/KSFO calls itself "560 Talkradio KSFO" just before the top of hour. TOH ID makes no effort to bury the KGO legal ID; it comes after the KSAN-HD2 ID; KSFO ID comes first.
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Two different things. KSFO810 is a brand, and KGO is a legal ID.
 
Signal Geek said:
True, it's usually the AM looking for an FM to simulcast on. However, there have been several California cases of religious or public FM's getting AM's to extend their signals. Two that come to mind: KCLU-FM (NPR for Ventura County & Central California) buying 1340 AM in Santa Barbara (which ironically also has an FM translator), and KWVE-FM (religion) in San Clemente purchasing 50kw 1110 AM in Los Angeles.
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Public Radio NPR 1550 KUAZ is a simulcast of KUAZ-FM in Tucson. The AM is a 50kw daytimer with a CP for a new tower site that will add nighttime coverage. Below are coverage maps of the AZPM signals, which illustrate why they continue to hang on to the AM.

Coverage Maps - AZPM
 
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