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Buffalo Cumulus sells AM to Buddy Shula

Again, Special weekend programming is not unique to Buffalo. Many West Coast Rock stations used to feature deeper tracks. California based groups like Jefferson Airplane, Santana, Byrds, etc.. The now tired "Block Party Weekend" and Twofer Tuesday was used everywhere.
Regionalism has died to a great extent due to the internet.

And what you are describing as done by "West Coast" rock stations was not done by all in that area and was mostly done decades ago. Additionally, as stations started to do music library research in the earlier 80's, they discovered than many "deep tracks" were really deep s---t.
According to David, listeners aren't fatigued of the same songs at all. He believes a deeper Album Track is a tune out.
If the song has strong negatives when tested among the station's core, it is indeed a tune out.
Real music lovers who like wider variety aren't expecting it from Radio anymore...
There is no Nielsen breakout for "real music lovers".
 
There is no Nielsen breakout for "real music lovers".
It's called "Folks not interested anymore". I have no desire to hear the same 200 songs that have been rotating on Classic Rock stations for 30 years. Deny if you must, but I know of many people who feel the same way. They no longer show up in any of your data because they moved on from Radio long ago.

There were many stations that once had compelling content and better playlists. Most of them disappeared during the 90's when stations were being bought and swapped wholesale. I was there...
 
It's called "Folks not interested anymore". I have no desire to hear the same 200 songs that have been rotating on Classic Rock stations for 30 years. Deny if you must, but I know of many people who feel the same way. They no longer show up in any of your data because they moved on from Radio long ago.
The "one to many" nature of AM and FM requires that we play consensus songs. Otherwise, many of the songs we might play would, each, drive some listeners away.

I'm sure you are using hyperbole in saying "the same 200 songs" as classic rock station play a lot more cuts than that.
There were many stations that once had compelling content and better playlists.
"Better" by whose standards? Yours alone, I suspect. Stations and station groups do research and play the songs with mass consensus appeal.
Most of them disappeared during the 90's when stations were being bought and swapped wholesale. I was there...
In many cases, consolidation brought better research. In fact, the hated Clear Channel owned two good research companies. Other companies upped their investment in research. HBC had its own research division, too, with a 50-person call center and two teams doing AMTs, one-on-ones and other products.
 
It's called "Folks not interested anymore". I have no desire to hear the same 200 songs that have been rotating on Classic Rock stations for 30 years. Deny if you must, but I know of many people who feel the same way. They no longer show up in any of your data because they moved on from Radio long ago.

There were many stations that once had compelling content and better playlists. Most of them disappeared during the 90's when stations were being bought and swapped wholesale. I was there...
And yet classic rock stations sit atop or close to the top of the Nielsens in markets with demographics that favor them (older, white). My little market (Hanover-Lebanon-White River Junction) has been dominated by classic rocker WHDQ for years. It's slightly more adventurous than the major-market stations you say have a 200-song playlist -- an exaggeration, whether you choose to believe it or not -- but those 200 songs do get played.

In the past hour Q106 has played:
Sweet Child of Mine -- Guns N Roses
Brain Damage Eclipse -- Pink Floyd
Cult of Personality -- Living Colour
I Thank You -- ZZ Top
Animal -- Def Leppard
She Hates Me -- Puddle of Mudd
When I Come Around -- Green Day
1979 -- Smashing Pumpkins
Into the Great Wide Open -- Tom Petty
I've Seen All Good People -- Yes

To me, this is a decent blend of format staples and secondary tracks, very much to my taste while driving and not in a country, soul or classical mood. Like many satellite radio early adopters, I was excited by XM's Deep Tracks, but after a few months of heavy listening I found I was missing the familiar rock anthems and discovering why so many songs had been ignored by classic rock radio for years. Now I hardly listen to Deep Tracks at all.
 
Again, Special weekend programming is not unique to Buffalo. Many West Coast Rock stations used to feature deeper tracks. California based groups like Jefferson Airplane, Santana, Byrds, etc.. The now tired "Block Party Weekend" and Twofer Tuesday was used everywhere.

According to David, listeners aren't fatigued of the same songs at all. He believes a deeper Album Track is a tune out. Real music lovers who like wider variety aren't expecting it from Radio anymore...
Buffalo's been doing it for about 50 years. Who did it first is irrelevant. Pretty much every format has some "moonshot" variety in the regular rotation. Adding some variety on the weekend adds some spice and keeps things fresher at a time when people may listen longer.
 
Buffalo's been doing it for about 50 years. Who did it first is irrelevant. Pretty much every format has some "moonshot" variety in the regular rotation. Adding some variety on the weekend adds some spice and keeps things fresher at a time when people may listen longer.
And burying that content on weekends makes it less of a concern to ad agencies, who are buying primarily to reach a weekday audience.
 
This is not true. Ad agencies and everyone else are buying audiences, not days. I am not sure where posters here think they understand media buying and strategies

I own a very successful ad agency. Every client need is different. This idea of 25-54, or “drive time “ is totally outdated thinking.

Every one of Media One clients are crushing it. Every one. I do the media purchasing and marketing strategies for them for all medias, including digital and tv . In many cases I also do the creative

There is a lot of myopic thinking going on here. Please open your mind to what is going on now

A few posters on here are simply bitter at the radio industry. I am here to tell you that a well run station will succeed big league. Everything in the world has a constantly changing dynamic, including radio. In the 80’s you could just let it run. People had far less choices with everything. Now, you must be proactive, as just about everything is your competition

I want to address some earlier words regarding John Hagar. John, is not only a great guy, but he was a great, passionate PD. Yes, they had consultants. The music is the easy part, but the “coloring” between the songs makes the difference. John was excellent at knowing this. You can ask anybody about 97 rock and they will say it’s a rock station. However, people remember the color. The block party weekends, Memorial Day 500, two for tuesdays. Many AOR stations do this across the country, as they should. These types of things make it special. John embraced it. Like it or not, he was an excellent PD

I also want to reference another incredible PD, Ken Johnson of WYRK. Why he is not nominated to the Buffalo HOF is beyond me. I worked on air under Ken for 10 years at YRK. He was the person who took a “country western” station to a “country” station. Ken knew every detail about everything. He cared. That man would be there until 5 in the morning just to make sure the tempos of elements were spot on. I learned a ton from Ken. I was at YRK full time from 1986-1996, and saw what the explosion of country did to Buffalo. YRK was the nucleus of the explosion. It was a magical time for country and country radio. YRK became great because of Ken. I was there. I saw it in real time.
 
And burying that content on weekends makes it less of a concern to ad agencies, who are buying primarily to reach a weekday audience.
Not only that... Saturday and Sunday 7 PM to Midnight are nearly empty. We see online share numbers, but 100% of nothing is still nothing.

So many stations use weekend evenings to add cume via specialty shows that bring in a unique audience. It builds numbers a bit, and attracts secondary listeners to the station under the "where the radio is turned off it will be turned on the next morning".

All of that, though, is pre-internet thinking. Today, habits are not as easily formed when there are so many options, and dial cruising seems to be very much a historical item.
 
This is not true. Ad agencies and everyone else are buying audiences, not days. I am not sure where posters here think they understand media buying and strategies
Nearly every buy I see... and have seen for decades... is against a specific demo (age, gender, ethnicity, language preference, etc) and daypart or set of dayparts.

Most buys are within the 25-54 or 18-49 demos and M-F 6 AM to 7 PM. A few use M-Sat 6 AM to 7 PM. Few use nights and Sundays.

This is a generalization, but it covers the bulk of non-local agency buys. Local agencies are both closer to clients and to consumers, as you successfully know.
I own a very successful ad agency. Every client need is different. This idea of 25-54, or “drive time “ is totally outdated thinking.
Not for the vast majority of regional or national buys. Simply put, an agency buying 50 markets and 4 to 6 stations deep does not have time to look at special night or weekend shows individually; that would mean about 300 close inspections of stations and, then, close control of affidavits of performance.
Every one of Media One clients are crushing it. Every one. I do the media purchasing and marketing strategies for them for all medias, including digital and tv . In many cases I also do the creative
Nit picking time: singular is "medium" and plural is "media". There are no "medias".

You can do that in a single market or a couple of regional ones. No national shop does that... or can do it on the kinds of margins they have.
A few posters on here are simply bitter at the radio industry. I am here to tell you that a well run station will succeed big league. Everything in the world has a constantly changing dynamic, including radio. In the 80’s you could just let it run. People had far less choices with everything. Now, you must be proactive, as just about everything is your competition
I seriously thought of making a group purchase about a decade ago. I was looking at at least 3 markets to shield myself from economic turn-downs in one... and at least 3 FMs in each. I could pick a number of rated markets in a "drivable region" and buy them with cash or my line of credit.

I did not know that the pandemic was coming. But I saw that radio money was not growing and was, in fact, shrinking due to inflation. I realized that success would come from deep community involvement and from adding things like web presence for clients, promotions, and all the stuff you do.

I decided that it would no longer be fun to have to do that, every day, even with clients on weekends and evenings. So I decided to keep my money and live off the income. That is what most people in radio are thinking now.

Most I know are thinking "I wish I had gotten out earlier". (I'll bet I could safely say Jeff Smulyan said that, too!)

P.S. I gave a "like" to your post. What you do is amazing. But there are not many like you who can make local radio work.
 
My commentary above is correct. Even if they are buying a demo, they are buying the audience, not the day of week

You refer a lot to national and regional agency buys. That kind of agency business is down significantly in the radio industry. When I am referring to agencies, I am referring to local agency.

The lack of national agency business is killing the industry in spot radio

Regarding your radio ownership idea, I do not know, nor do I care about other stations in the area. I focus on my products. That’s what I can control. Purchasing a radio station was the best financial decision I ever made. That is the reason I am buying more.

If you have a tightly run company, which we do, it’s a no lose. I would do it again in a second.

I appreciate your “like” to my comments. It really just takes common sense and hard work to do radio right, plus a superior team who has passion for the product
 
So many stations use weekend evenings to add cume via specialty shows that bring in a unique audience. It builds numbers a bit, and attracts secondary listeners to the station under the "where the radio is turned off it will be turned on the next morning".

All of that, though, is pre-internet thinking. Today, habits are not as easily formed when there are so many options, and dial cruising seems to be very much a historical item.

I recently read a think piece from Mike McVay disagreeing with that assessment. He points out that in modern vehicles, the in-dash entertainment system tends to start back up on the same source that was playing when the car was turned off. So the goal is to make sure they're listening to the RADIO, and hopefully your station, otherwise the system might start back up on a non-radio source like Spotify if that's the last thing that was being listened to:

It’s a mistake, especially given the need to earn the last listen, to ignore nights, weekends, and afternoon drive. Nielsen research shows similar results that these dayparts previously thought to be fringe are important. Earning the last listen gives your station an advantage over not only your radio competitors but all audio sources that are available to the audience.

 
One thing I think we can all agree on is the fact that this board is much, much more interesting when Buddy is part of the discussion. Especially the back and forth with David E. I'm already looking forward to what's coming when he takes over WHLD. And when he gets a full market FM signal, things will get even more interesting.
 
I recently read a think piece from Mike McVay disagreeing with that assessment. He points out that in modern vehicles, the in-dash entertainment system tends to start back up on the same source that was playing when the car was turned off. So the goal is to make sure they're listening to the RADIO, and hopefully your station, otherwise the system might start back up on a non-radio source like Spotify if that's the last thing that was being listened to:
My statement does not disagree with McVay. What I am saying is that in the pre-internet era, there were relatively few choices... just one's local AMs and FMs. So you had a chance with a specialty show of finding listeners who discovered that "great" Saturday night show or the Sunday feature and were thus "set" on your dial position Monday morning.

Today, broadcast radio has such extremely low usage on those nights... less than 25% of what it was in the mid-90's... that the chances of having someone find specialty shows by "tuning around the dial" are minimal.

McVay is thinking more of "where you turned off the audio system is where it will be when you turn on." And that is correct. My point is that the chances of snagging a new listener when they discover a weekend evening show and having them "take a listen" to regular programming later on is minimal.
 
I just discovered the call letters WUSW have been filed for. Could that signify Classic Country is coming to 1270? Hmm.
In the thread started just the other day on this purchase, Mr. Shula wrote this:
I have seen the assumptions on what the station will become, and while I appreciate the observations, I have not seen anything correct.

Those assumptions have been classic country and right-wing talk, so neither of those apparently are in the running. And since WECK is already doing oldies/classic hits, that format is highly unlikely as well. What's left that Buffalo doesn't already have on a full-market signal? Soft AC? Issue-oriented local talk?
 
In the thread started just the other day on this purchase, Mr. Shula wrote this:
I have seen the assumptions on what the station will become, and while I appreciate the observations, I have not seen anything correct.

Those assumptions have been classic country and right-wing talk, so neither of those apparently are in the running. And since WECK is already doing oldies/classic hits, that format is highly unlikely as well. What's left that Buffalo doesn't already have on a full-market signal? Soft AC? Issue-oriented local talk?
Shula isn't required to reveal his plans in this forum. His statements could be deliberately vague until his LMA begins in June. He deserves credit for saying he plans to "serve the community" with the station...
 
There is Classic Country already with 1300 WXRL and it's FM translator. Not to mention the two signals being too close for comfort (1270 and 1300). Unless 1270 goes with an 80's-00's playlist.
 
I just discovered the call letters WUSW have been filed for. Could that signify Classic Country is coming to 1270? Hmm.

The engineer of his posted on FB looking for someone to install a satellite dish and WLVL's owner claims WW1/Premiere pulled all the shows for him saying theyve got a new station to carry them in Buffalo
 


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