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Young people don't know these songs

I had students in my class this year who didn't know who Elton John or Michael Jackson were! 😲😲
But they sure know their TikTok influencers and rappers in the 5th grade...
How exactly do you think a 10-11 year old would know about Michael Jackson?

Let's think about this for 5 seconds. Jackson's solo career launched in the late 70s and was pretty much over by the time 1990 rolled around. He had 1 or 2 top 10 hits in the 90s.

I have a cousin whose youngest daughter is in 5th grade. The parents were born in 1982-83, so while they undoubtedly know who Michael Jackson was and recognize some of his music, they were too young to be fans of his. They would have been 7 when he made his last big hit ("Black or White").
Because Jackson is deceased and became a reclusive weirdo, he doesn't have much relevance to modern media outside of radio airplay on classic hits formats.

Elton John's musical hits were even older than Jackson. He had something of a career revival in the mid 90s with "The Lion King" soundtrack, but the bulk of his US hits were released 1971 to 1976. Sir Elton has kept some relevance in the LGBT community, but the history of the gay rights movement is probably not a topic elementary school kids are familiar with.
 
I guess I'm experiencing the first wave of a new generation. A few weeks ago I was listening to John Tesh, and he mentioned the lowering attention spans of Gen Alpha have led to shorter lengths for new pop music, too. Something around 3 minutes tops, maybe even less...
When they have been raised by the phone (and most teens don't use it to benefit on real-life knowledge...they scroll the TikTok's and the YouTube Shorts on end), no wonder.

At least a few knew who the King of Pop was in that classroom...but others didn't. The new normal, I guess!
They did know what DVDs were. And of course, their favorite source of TV...Netflix. I can tell you there's little chance they know VHS unless their great-grandparents are still alive and have a VCR on top of their Zenith console down in the basement. That wouldn't surprise me in any way.
 
I guess I'm experiencing the first wave of a new generation. A few weeks ago I was listening to John Tesh, and he mentioned the lowering attention spans of Gen Alpha have led to shorter lengths for new pop music, too. Something around 3 minutes tops, maybe even less...
When they have been raised by the phone (and most teens don't use it to benefit on real-life knowledge...they scroll the TikTok's and the YouTube Shorts on end), no wonder.

At least a few knew who the King of Pop was in that classroom...but others didn't. The new normal, I guess!

You did say FIFTH grade, right?

Those are TEN year olds.

Since we've been talking about musical awareness, let me outline mine (your mileage may vary).

Through fifth grade, I wasn't really paying attention to music. If there was a song on the radio that I liked, fine, but I didn't really know about charts (my parents weren't Top 40 listeners). I figured songs just kinda happened organically and I didn't know if anything was particularly new or not, unless a song that caught my ear was introduced---like maybe on a TV show like Ed Sullivan---with "here to perform their new record...."

Still, maybe two or three songs in a year penetrated to where I noticed, cared, and thought "I like that."

And since my parents weren't Top 40 listeners, the songs that caught my attention weren't all rock and roll (which I'd hear at friends' houses, or with my cousins, two of whom were older).

My parents just happened to be MOR and Jazz listeners, but the same thing played out in households where my friends' parents were Country listeners, and I would expect the same for those who listened to Beautiful Music or Classical extensively.

Ten is a little young to start rebelling against your parents' taste---or at least it was then.

So what got through---what did I like in fourth grade? Probably Roger Miller's "King of the Road" and Horst Jankowski's "Walk in the Black Forest".

Third grade? Probably Rolf Harris' "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport" and Kyu Sakomoto's "Sukiyaki".

Before that? Most likely "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" and "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall".

A big boost to my awareness of what pop music was all about came around the beginning of the school year for sixth grade when The Monkees premiered on NBC. They were funny, so I watched. And I liked some of the music.

Another step up in awareness and involvement came when I got a better-quality radio for my room for a birthday gift when I turned 11. I'd had a $2.99 pocket transistor up until then that I mainly ued to listen to baseball. I started dialing around more (it had better sensitivity) and heard more things, including Wolfman Jack.

That summer, KHJ-TV did its afternoon pop music/dance show "Groovy" live from the beach every day. So I watched and drank in a little more of pop culture.

And it just sort of grew from there. Some of my friends got more into music in that 11-12 range, too, but I was 14 before I could tell you most of the records on KHJ's Boss 30 that week. And a LOT of my friends all through high school never got that into music. They'd have three or four songs (or albums) that they liked at any given time and that was about it.

They did know what DVDs were. And of course, their favorite source of TV...Netflix. I can tell you there's little chance they know VHS unless their great-grandparents are still alive and have a VCR on top of their Zenith console down in the basement. That wouldn't surprise me in any way.

Yeah. That would be like me in fifth grade knowing that TV used to be all in black and white, but having no clue what a crystal set or a wax cylinder recorder is.

This is time doing what time does.
 
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I guess I'm experiencing the first wave of a new generation. A few weeks ago I was listening to John Tesh, and he mentioned the lowering attention spans of Gen Alpha have led to shorter lengths for new pop music, too. Something around 3 minutes tops, maybe even less...

This isn't the dunk you think it is.

The Beach Boys singles (1962-64):
- Surfin USA - 2:29
- Surfer Girl - 2:26
- Be True to Your School - 2:10
- Fun Fun Fun 2:16
- I Get Around 2:12
- When I Grow Up 2:01
- Dance Dance Dance 1:59

The Beatles singles (1963-64):
- Please Please Me - 2:16
- From Me to You - 1:56
- She Loves You - 2:18
- I Want to Hold Your Hand - 2:24
- My Bonnie - 2:42
- Twist & Shout - 2:32
- Can't Buy Me Love - 2:11
- Do You Want to Know a Secret 1:56
 
This isn't the dunk you think it is.

The Beach Boys singles (1962-64):
- Surfin USA - 2:29
- Surfer Girl - 2:26
- Be True to Your School - 2:10
- Fun Fun Fun 2:16
- I Get Around 2:12
- When I Grow Up 2:01
- Dance Dance Dance 1:59

The Beatles singles (1963-64):
- Please Please Me - 2:16
- From Me to You - 1:56
- She Loves You - 2:18
- I Want to Hold Your Hand - 2:24
- My Bonnie - 2:42
- Twist & Shout - 2:32
- Can't Buy Me Love - 2:11
- Do You Want to Know a Secret 1:56

Yeah. This is just the pop single returning to form. We're in our post-album cut era.
 
Yeah. This is just the pop single returning to form. We're in our post-album cut era.
The '90s were the peak of song length, although this is probably going by the album versions, not the edited single versions that most radio stations played:
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The '90s were the peak of song length, although this is probably going by the album versions, not the edited single versions that most radio stations played:
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Yep. And there was enormous pressure from the audience on Top 40 in the 70s to play the album version. A lot of stations did. And some tried to sound like they did.

KFRC in San Francisco had this very neat trick of taking the album version of a hit and keeping what got cut out of the 45 edit---but making the cuts elsewhere. So they'd still be at 3:30, but they'd have the slow middle section of "Night Moves" or that long synth ending for "Dream Weaver".
 
I had students in my class this year who didn't know who Elton John or Michael Jackson were! 😲😲
But they sure know their TikTok influencers and rappers in the 5th grade...

Are these from the same generation that I read sometimes cannot remember their own home street addresses?
 
How exactly do you think a 10-11 year old would know about Michael Jackson?

Let's think about this for 5 seconds. Jackson's solo career launched in the late 70s and was pretty much over by the time 1990 rolled around. He had 1 or 2 top 10 hits in the 90s.

I have a cousin whose youngest daughter is in 5th grade. The parents were born in 1982-83, so while they undoubtedly know who Michael Jackson was and recognize some of his music, they were too young to be fans of his. They would have been 7 when he made his last big hit ("Black or White").
Because Jackson is deceased and became a reclusive weirdo, he doesn't have much relevance to modern media outside of radio airplay on classic hits formats.

Elton John's musical hits were even older than Jackson. He had something of a career revival in the mid 90s with "The Lion King" soundtrack, but the bulk of his US hits were released 1971 to 1976. Sir Elton has kept some relevance in the LGBT community, but the history of the gay rights movement is probably not a topic elementary school kids are familiar with.
Hey 19, that's 'Retha Franklin (and that was 1981)
 
Hey 19, that's 'Retha Franklin (and that was 1981)
And there was also a nod to the Soul Survivors as well. Best known of course, for their one hit "Expressway To Your Heart."
 
And there was also a nod to the Soul Survivors as well. Best known of course, for their one hit "Expressway To Your Heart."

You can read it that way, but Donald and Walter didn't write it that way:



Hey Nineteen
That's 'Retha Franklin
She don't remember the Queen of Soul
It's hard times befallen
The sole survivors
She thinks I'm crazy
But I'm just growing old



In the context of the song, he was a college dude dating sorority girls in '67. Flash-forward 14 years, and he still is.

One of the last of his cohort still at it (he's in his mid-30s), and it's getting way less fun because there's now a generation gap. So since "we can't dance together, we got nothin' in common, we can't talk at all", he pitches the Cuervo Gold and the fine Colombian.

He could grow up, but instead he'll settle for getting her drunk/high and trying his luck.
 
You can read it that way, but Donald and Walter didn't write it that way:



Hey Nineteen
That's 'Retha Franklin
She don't remember the Queen of Soul
It's hard times befallen
The sole survivors
She thinks I'm crazy
But I'm just growing old
I guess I learned something today. I always thought that it was about the group, given the context. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that.
 
Amazing coincidence. On another site I go to someone commented about the song "Nineteen" about the Vietnam War. Someone else though that was this song.

No, that was this song, from 1985:


Which, now that I listen to it again, for the first time in 40 years, is really just a techno ripoff of Simon and Garfunkel's "7 O'Clock News/Silent Night."
 


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