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President's Televised Address

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it was amazing how the networks handled it. Nothing was pre-empted. It was just dropped in as a 20 minute commercial.
Really! Most commercials are bad enough, but 20 minutes is infomercial length, and I can barely stand listening to T for 20 seconds. Listening to him for a full 20 minutes would feel like torture!

Just imagine what Fox News and Newsmax would be saying if this happened during the previous administration, and the TV networks handled it the same way.
I'm sure their criticism would be sharp and merciless, as it always seems to be when the POTUS is anybody other than Trump.

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This thread is an echo-chamber. I don't think slamming the President of the US serves any purpose on a radio message board.

Lance keeps saying that, but no one heeds the owner's directives.
 
A personal note on this: I had an outpatient procedure yesterday and was still in the post-op ward, without access to a television, when this debacle aired.

I consider myself very fortunate.
From reading about it (didn't watch), being in post op recovery from surgery sounds like a better scenario than watching the unwatchable.
 
This thread is an echo-chamber. I don't think slamming the President of the US serves any purpose on a radio message board.

But I'm not slamming him as president. None of my posts have mentioned his policies or what he said. My criticism is as him as a TV performer. This is an Emmy-nominated TV star. He knows how to use TV. Or Mark Burnett knows. This is not how to use TV. He yelled, he rushed through too many topics, he was angry, he didn't smile once, and none of this helps his cause. I turned the sound off and just looked at his face, and it was not pleasant. I can't even imagine how bad it sounded on radio.

A lot of his people behave the same way. His press secretary is nasty. They wonder why they get bad press. Reagan never had this problem because Reagan (and his people) knew how to present their views in simple, understandable ways. That wasn't the case last night. Too much information. It was boring TV, no pictures, no graphics, even he wouldn't sit through it. My take is he didn't win anyone over, because they were turned off to his presentation. Nobody likes a sore winner. This white house better start learning how to use the media, because it's going to hurt them in the long run.
 
But I'm not slamming him as president. None of my posts have mentioned his policies or what he said. My criticism is as him as a TV performer. This is an Emmy-nominated TV star. He knows how to use TV. Or Mark Burnett knows. This is not how to use TV. He yelled, he rushed through too many topics, he was angry, he didn't smile once, and none of this helps his cause. I turned the sound off and just looked at his face, and it was not pleasant. I can't even imagine how bad it sounded on radio.

A lot of his people behave the same way. His press secretary is nasty. They wonder why they get bad press. Reagan never had this problem because Reagan (and his people) knew how to present their views in simple, understandable ways. That wasn't the case last night. Too much information. It was boring TV, no pictures, no graphics, even he wouldn't sit through it. My take is he didn't win anyone over, because they were turned off to his presentation. Nobody likes a sore winner. This white house better start learning how to use the media, because it's going to hurt them in the long run.
My comment wasn't aimed at you. I was referring to comments like :

... they pretend what we saw wasn’t a deranged, dementia-addled old man spewing 20 minutes of outright lies, distortions, mathematical impossibilities, blame shifting, incoherence, and unsubstantiated rambling.

That brings nothing to the conversation. Details would be helpful to substantiate those accusations, but NOT in this forum!
 
I see wadio's point. If an event is televised or broadcast, are all aspects of the event open for discussion, or only the technical aspects? So if Trump's mic came on late at the start of his speech, or if some station accidentally played a promo or part of a local ad while the president was speaking, that's OK to talk about, but commenting on what he said or how he said it is out of bounds?
 
You don’t want it. Tens of millions of us didn’t see “Have ABC News abdicate all journalistic integrity” on the ballot.

The people also don't vote for the media. The media gets it's power from the same place as the president: The people. If the people don't like the media, they have no power. Right now, the people see the media as entitled and biased. So having the media attack the president just confirms the people's negative opinion. A lot of that is why they voted this guy for a second term. They feel he was unfairly targeted by the media. The media has to earn back the support of the people. The way they do that is play by the rules and give both sides a chance to express themselves. You don't deal with a tyrannical president by attacking him, because that just makes him a martyr.

The networks got hosed last night. They were told they were going to get some news, and instead they got a campaign speech. That was wrong. It shouldn't have happened. But the wrong way to respond is to have news people attack everything the president said. That just turns them into the enemy rather than what they're supposed to do.

In the meantime, the media is not just one thing. You still have reporters who are doing serious investigations. You have MS-Now that's been going non-stop on this story. But you have to pick the right time and place to do that. After a presidential address is not the time or the place. Given that speech, there should have been a democratic response. But it's not up to the media to take the place of the other party. That's the wrong place for the media to be. Last night, Lawrence O'Donnell had the house minority leader on his show, and he gave him the opportunity to give a democratic response. That's the right time & place for the media.
 
You don’t want it. Tens of millions of us didn’t see “Have ABC News abdicate all journalistic integrity” on the ballot. We didn’t see “ignore the lies of this administration” on the ballot. We didn’t see “disregard the pain and suffering of millions of people on the ballot because it doesn’t fit his lies” on the ballot.


Remarkable oversimplification. Just remarkable. Just to pick one thread, we’re just going to pretend misogyny and racism aren’t real in this country? Really?

That remains to be seen.
I think it was because he was a populist and the Democrat party (not the base) was determined to put out every ounce of populism on their side (like Bernie) which left the door wide open for it to appear on the other side of the aisle and people to gravitate towards it.
 
So having the media attack the president just confirms the people's negative opinion.
The truth is not an attack.
A lot of that is why they voted this guy for a second term. They feel he was unfairly targeted by the media.
You know it’s not nearly so simple as a monolithic “they”.
The media has to earn back the support of the people.
Funny, they’re losing support by cowering, denying, sanewashing and refusing to do even a modicum of actual journalism. They’re not building support by being de facto press organs of the regime.
The way they do that is play by the rules and give both sides a chance to express themselves.
This is so damn tedious. Facts are not “both sides.” Lies are lies. They do not become true because people shout loudly.
You don't deal with a tyrannical president by attacking him, because that just makes him a martyr.
So you bend the knee. That always works well. History is replete with examples of how tyrants were brought down by the press rolling over and playing dead.
The networks got hosed last night. They were told they were going to get some news, and instead they got a campaign speech.
Oh no, no, no….we are not going to paint them as some unwitting victims. They know exactly what he does. And has done for 10 years. They got enough of a preview of the content to know precisely nothing was going to be newsworthy. They are not innocent bystanders.
That was wrong. It shouldn't have happened. But the wrong way to respond is to have news people attack everything the president said.
Calling a lie a lie is not an attack. Calling the truth the truth is not an attack.
That just turns them into the enemy rather than what they're supposed to do.
Which is what, refuse to report facts?
In the meantime, the media is not just one thing. You still have reporters who are doing serious investigations.
Vanity Fair and Rolling Stone are two examples of outlets doing what precisely none of the “big three” broadcasters are doing. Props and respect to them when they step up.
You have MS-Now that's been going non-stop on this story. But you have to pick the right time and place to do that.
Which appears to be the fourth of never according to the apologists.
After a presidential address is not the time or the place.
Yeah, some random day in March three months from now is better. My bad.
Given that speech, there should have been a democratic response.
Are we going to pretend the networks were going to give time to that?

But it's not up to the media to take the place of the other party.
No, they’re squarely in the camp of one party.
That's the wrong place for the media to be. Last night, Lawrence O'Donnell had the house minority leader on his show, and he gave him the opportunity to give a democratic response. That's the right time & place for the media.
And what did the big three do?
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The truth is not an attack.

That depends. The president views ANY criticism as an attack on him, the government, and the country. In that way, it's possible for him to designate the media as a terrorist organization. But also, who determines what the truth is? The president feels what he says is the truth. In his mind, he's the president, so he gets to decide truth, and therefore determine which government licensees can continue to operate. Since there are no limits to his authority, either by congress or the courts, the end result is the media is simply shut down, and his problem is solved.

You saw how it was done with public broadcasting. He decided that NPR and PBS are biased and leftist, convinced the congress of the same, and took away all their funding. No trial, no due process, no recourse, no nothing. His FCC is still investigating public broadcasting, and could very easily find ways to make their jobs even more difficult.

I get it. You're angry with the president. You want someone else to fight your battle for you. You've decided that's the job of the media. It's not. All you're doing is providing more fodder for the people who already think the media is elitist and biased. As I've pointed out, there are some journalists, reporters, and organizations who are doing what you want. Most of them are independent.

But the idea that profit-making companies are going to fight the next revolution is naive at best. The constitution put that responsibility in the hands of the people. That means get off your butt, go out and do something, rather than sit and wait for others to do it for you.
 
But the idea that profit-making companies are going to fight the next revolution is naive at best. The constitution put that responsibility in the hands of the people. That means get off your butt, go out and do something, rather than sit and wait for others to do it for you.
You're acting like that isn't already happening. Protests have been virtually non-stop for the past year. The "No Kings Day" protests had millions of people out in the streets, getting tear-gassed and shot at with rubber bullets.
 
You're acting like that isn't already happening. Protests have been virtually non-stop for the past year. The "No Kings Day" protests had millions of people out in the streets, getting tear-gassed and shot at with rubber bullets.

And those protests have been covered by the media, right? So the media is doing it's job. Even ABC covered it:

 
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