IIRC, 930 KHJ actually *was* branded as "Car Radio" back in 1985-ish. I think the format only lasted about a year. It was basically Top 40 (their previous format, replaced by Country around Sept. 1980), but with a whole lotta extra traffic reports.
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I stopped responding to (and even reading) David's posts in September (you can't actually "ignore" a moderator). I was open about why---intellectually dishonest argument, willingness to use personal anecdotes in place of empirical evidence (which he'd spent 20 years busting anyone else for) and some outright gaslighting.
Nothing has changed, and I'm going right back to that policy after this post, but I got tagged, so I read, and there's some stuff here to clean up:
I am happy for David and his family that they haven't been brutalized in broad daylight on a city street and held without cause.
www.propublica.org
Setting aside the undocumented, as of October, more than 170 U.S. citizens have not been so lucky.
www.propublica.org
If you consume right-wing media, you'll hear denials of that from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and others in the administration. You're less likely to hear that those denials have been challenged, in media and in Congress.
And, any person with dark skin has reason to be fearful of such treatment, as the Supreme Court in September essentially green-lighted racial profiling as probable cause:
And yes, I mean ANY person with dark skin, because ICE is currently holding several Native Americans:
www.the-independent.com
I'll stop here. Back to the specifics of 1220 in Pomona, for which I think there is abundant evidence that Lotus has reasonable concerns, stated honestly and clearly to the FCC.
Nothing has changed, and I'm going right back to that policy after this post, but I got tagged, so I read, and there's some stuff here to clean up:
- Even if we accept, at face value, the idea that NO undocumented person would sign up for a PPM and none have, there is absolutely no way Lotus was relying on PPM to sell advertising for 1220 AM in Pomona. So that's irrelevant.
- Literacy is an issue in diary-surveyed markets. Which L.A. is not.
- Any increase in ad revenues for Telemundo and Univision would likely be due to their being trusted sources of information in the communities they serve in a moment of great interest for those communities.
- 1220 in Pomona is 60 miles from 1220 in Santa Clarita.
- Kilowatt Kat cited an article. I responded to his post without specifically citing the article because it's nine months old.
I am happy for David and his family that they haven't been brutalized in broad daylight on a city street and held without cause.
We Found More Than 40 Cases of Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds and Other Moves That Can Cut Off Breathing
Civilians have had apparent seizures. One had his eyes roll back. Another had ribs broken. “I felt like I was going to pass out and die,” said a 16-year-old citizen put in a chokehold. The government won’t say if any agents have been punished.
www.propublica.org
Setting aside the undocumented, as of October, more than 170 U.S. citizens have not been so lucky.
More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.
The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.
www.propublica.org
If you consume right-wing media, you'll hear denials of that from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and others in the administration. You're less likely to hear that those denials have been challenged, in media and in Congress.
And, any person with dark skin has reason to be fearful of such treatment, as the Supreme Court in September essentially green-lighted racial profiling as probable cause:
And yes, I mean ANY person with dark skin, because ICE is currently holding several Native Americans:
ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say
Indigenous leaders fear federal agents are unlawfully detaining and racially profiling Native Minnesotans
www.the-independent.com
I'll stop here. Back to the specifics of 1220 in Pomona, for which I think there is abundant evidence that Lotus has reasonable concerns, stated honestly and clearly to the FCC.
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"Car Radio" started July 9, 1984. Six traffic reports an hour, and the most burned-to-a-crisp recurrents (referred to as "Car Tunes") on the planet at the time:
KHJ was already below a 1.0 when they started. "Car Radio" didn't change that.
It ended, along with KHJ, which became KRTH-AM at the stroke of midnight February 1, 1986.
PS: There was a quasi-Top 40 format between the end of Country on April 1, 1983 and the launch of "Car Radio". They promoted it as "The Boss is Back", and it had a bit more Gold than was typical for Top 40 at the time.
"Car Radio" was all songs that had already peaked on the charts in the past year.
I stopped responding to (and even reading) David's posts in September (you can't actually "ignore" a moderator). I was open about why---intellectually dishonest argument, willingness to use personal anecdotes in place of empirical evidence (which he'd spent 20 years busting anyone else for) and some outright gaslighting.
Nothing has changed, and I'm going right back to that policy after this post, but I got tagged, so I read, and there's some stuff here to clean up:
- Even if we accept, at face value, the idea that NO undocumented person would sign up for a PPM and none have, there is absolutely no way Lotus was relying on PPM to sell advertising for 1220 AM in Pomona. So that's irrelevant.
- Literacy is an issue in diary-surveyed markets. Which L.A. is not.
- Any increase in ad revenues for Telemundo and Univision would likely be due to their being trusted sources of information in the communities they serve in a moment of great interest for those communities.
- 1220 in Pomona is 60 miles from 1220 in Santa Clarita.
- Kilowatt Kat cited an article. I responded to his post without specifically citing the article because it's nine months old.
I am happy for David and his family that they haven't been brutalized in broad daylight on a city street and held without cause.
We Found More Than 40 Cases of Immigration Agents Using Banned Chokeholds and Other Moves That Can Cut Off Breathing
Civilians have had apparent seizures. One had his eyes roll back. Another had ribs broken. “I felt like I was going to pass out and die,” said a 16-year-old citizen put in a chokehold. The government won’t say if any agents have been punished.
Setting aside the undocumented, as of October, more than 170 U.S. citizens have not been so lucky.
More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.
The government does not track how often immigration agents grab citizens. So ProPublica did. Our tally — almost certainly incomplete — includes people who were held for days without a lawyer. And nearly 20 children, two of whom have cancer.
If you consume right-wing media, you'll hear denials of that from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and others in the administration. You're less likely to hear that those denials have been challenged, in media and in Congress.
And, any person with dark skin has reason to be fearful of such treatment, as the Supreme Court in September essentially green-lighted racial profiling as probable cause:
And yes, I mean ANY person with dark skin, because ICE is currently holding several Native Americans:
ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say
Indigenous leaders fear federal agents are unlawfully detaining and racially profiling Native Minnesotans
I always wonder why it is that if I so much as hint at a political statement on my posts, I get severely reprimanded, but you are allowed to pontificate (regurgitate) all of left-wing talking points of the day at will.
The government is trying to rid our neighborhoods of murderers, rapists, burglers, drug-dealers, and extortionists who, on top of all that, are not legally in our country. Why anyone would be against such a thing (or be on the side of those who would obstruct them in their duties) is mind-boggling enough; why there is a "political" element to it is beyond any comprehension.
You seem to be against the agency charged with doing so.
BTW, I live in a very "ethnic" neighborhood and I know of no one who has been unfairly rounded up (actually no one who has been rounded up at all) nor anyone living in fear of being so. Everyone is living life as normal. That is my anecdotal experience.
A reliance on facts.
You missed the part about the 170 U.S. citizens detained and the Native Americans. And it might be helpful here for me to add this from a Syracuse University department that's been providing immigration tracking data since 1989, which shows that, as of November 30, 2025, 73.6% of those detained by ICE have not been convicted of any crime:
At no point did I say I was against enforcement of laws, nor in favor of obstruction of law enforcement, because I am not.
You may have inferred that I expect law enforcement to follow the laws, and that would be correct.
No. I simply posted facts and statistics about how they're going about it.
White conservative says there isn't a problem for people of color. Got it.
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Then hopefully you can get this too. My wife, who is " brown", since you seem to be color/race obsessed, is in complete agreement with me.
Duly noted. David reports the same with his family.
As for being color/race obsessed, again...no (this is that factual reliance thing I mentioned at the top of the last post).
Color matters here only because of the Supreme Court ruling allowing ICE to use racial profiling as probable cause (linked in my earlier post). They're not asking blondes in Solvang for their papers despite there being an estimated 500,000 Europeans who have allowed their visas to expire and are in the United States illegally.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Does everything here have to devolve into a discussion of race, politics, and/or the current administration?
No, but given that was Lotus' stated reason for taking 1220 in Pomona silent, it's relevant.
KM, I agree with Michael here.
I have worked with Lotus and consider both Kalmenson's to be friends as well. However, I wonder if the "silent station" filing blamed immigration matters as that was a simpler issue and might make a subtle political point at the same time.
The fact is that the station is fairly useless, given its low power and location in an area of the SGV that has mostly assimilated later generation Hispanics. I'll betcha that Lotus ran a study of KWKW and its simulcast partner and found that the signal did not contribute to KW's total numbers. In the meantime, they might be exploring whether anyone else wants it.
Again, I have not asked them about this and would be embarassed to do so. So this is just speculation.
But, again, again, this is one case where politics and radio are joined.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I see the problem as being difficulty in figuring out where the line is between the relevance of current events to the issue being discussed -- as in, does what you're about to say relate to the STA?But one thing -- and pontificating about the current events themselves.
This is just my opinion, as I am decidedly not a moderator, but the sidetrack about whether or not anyone's family "looks" ethnic has absolutely nothing to do with what Lotus plans to do with this station.
That said, I agree that their choice of language may well be a convenient excuse to eventually take a marginal signal with limited usefulness permanently silent. Lotus may be playing with semantics to prevent being compared to ... well, to take a convenient example, Cumulus. They may believe that the overall climate in the industry will be more conducive to quietly turning in the license after 12 months. But if David isn't inclined to ask Howard, I'm certainly not going to jeopardize my connections there to ask myself.
One thing I do know: Lance is getting more and more fed up with the frequent devolution into politics, and from my own conversations with him I get the feeling he is approaching the point where seniority here isn't going to matter if he starts tossing people out over this. Again, that is just my perception; I do not purport to speak for him.
But I do agree with him that this site is called Radio Discussions, and the farther any thread deviates from that is going to aggravate him even more.
This is just my opinion, as I am decidedly not a moderator, but the sidetrack about whether or not anyone's family "looks" ethnic has absolutely nothing to do with what Lotus plans to do with this station.
That said, I agree that their choice of language may well be a convenient excuse to eventually take a marginal signal with limited usefulness permanently silent. Lotus may be playing with semantics to prevent being compared to ... well, to take a convenient example, Cumulus. They may believe that the overall climate in the industry will be more conducive to quietly turning in the license after 12 months. But if David isn't inclined to ask Howard, I'm certainly not going to jeopardize my connections there to ask myself.
One thing I do know: Lance is getting more and more fed up with the frequent devolution into politics, and from my own conversations with him I get the feeling he is approaching the point where seniority here isn't going to matter if he starts tossing people out over this. Again, that is just my perception; I do not purport to speak for him.
But I do agree with him that this site is called Radio Discussions, and the farther any thread deviates from that is going to aggravate him even more.
Lance is a big boy with full owner/moderator privileges. If he has a problem, he can let us know.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Just expressing my opinion. Nothing more.
First, I agree with you about discussing one's personal and family views on the subject. That said, the reason that any radio thread becomes political is because of the actual, or perceived role this administration is playing when it comes to media policy. From the administration's successful efforts to close down the CPB to the legislature of Wyoming considering a budget that cuts funding for Wyoming Public Radio to FCC chairman Brendan Carr's investigation into whether public radio sponsorships are within the law to the same person investigating KCBS in San Francisco for letting Hispanics know where ICE was going to be when ICE was already there to...I hope that all who reads this gets the picture. (And I hope I'm not removed from the site for pointing all of this out.)
Radio consistently discusses politics. Politics are always affecting radio. It would be impossible to fully separate the two and still have a meaningful dialogue, or a board that faithfully represents the industry. That said, I try to honor the spirit of the board's rules and frequently refrain from posting on threads that I think are too political, or that I think are going in that direction.
I responded today to a post which I considered to be a flat-out (unnecessary) political diatribe. As I said, normally I ignore these and move on, but this time the topic was particularly offensive. I said my peace, I let Micheal say his, and have moved on. Honorable people can and do have good faith disagreements. As usual when these disagreements come about, I let my debate opponent have the last word. I would like to move on to our regularly scheduled radio topics.
Since, I'm stuck here in flyover country I tend to forget that parts of California were already like of lot of the big cities are nowadays. Plus forgot about the mountains as there are only mountain wanna-bes in the southeastern part of Ohio.....actually Allegheny mountain foothills. Heck, when I moved to Ohio from Florida in the early 70s at 13, I pedaled my ass all over the place and was thinking "Wow, we moved to the mountains!", asked other people what the biggest mountain around town was and they looked at me like I was insane.
Gregorian chants? How about this AM station in Utah (KHQN-1480) that plays Krishna chants and discussion shows? It's a Hindu temple...
SLC & Spanish Fork Krishna Temples - Radha Krishna Temple in Utah
Spanish Fork Krishna Temple 311 W 8500 S, Spanish Fork, UT (801) 798-3559 Temple Hours 10am to 8pm daily Salt Lake City Krishna Temple 965 E 3370 S, Millcreek, UT (385) 528-7107 Temple Hours 7am to 1pm/4pm to 8pm
www.utahkrishnas.org
If they have any ratings maybe they can increase them by changing the format to Top 40 Hindu Chants. But in a more serious vein, I wonder how many stations out there have some formats in different languages......not counting the like some common ones, Spanish, Korean, etc. and not including some of the stations at the far left end of the dial that may have ethnic shows like one day a week. At the far right end of the dial I've heard some foreign language/music that I can't identify that drift in and out of the ether, usually pretty good at least being able to tell more common ones.....French, Spanish and so forth but there are some where I haven't a clue what language it is.
In LA there is an all Farsi station, a Vietnamese station and a variety of stations in Chinese, Tagalog, Korean and other southeast Asian languages. Markets like Seattle Portland and San Francisco all have various Asian language stations as well as the usual assortment of Spanish language offerings.