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K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Taking the well-known example of Phoenix, which (as noted) observes PST year-round, sunset in that month fell between 5:31pm and 5:59pm.
Sunrise and sunset times in Phoenix, January 2026
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Not even close in June ... between 7:33pm and 7:42pm.
Sunrise and sunset times in Phoenix, June 2026
Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Phoenix – Arizona – USA for June 2026. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.
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But that's Standard Time. In Los Angeles, where DST is in effect in June, sunset is between 7:59pm and 8:08pm.
Sunrise and sunset times in Los Angeles, June 2026
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In January, presuming DST was in effect, 5:54pm to 6:22pm. (Note that you have to add one hour to this list in order to make DST apply when at present it does not.)
Sunrise and sunset times in Los Angeles, January 2026
Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Los Angeles – California – USA for January 2026. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.
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So you would have to be considerably farther south under year-round DST to have sunset even come close to 9:00pm. Even at the Equator, a country on DST (and there are none, as pointed out earlier) would have sunset around 8:30pm.
Your "kick" is well-founded.
IMHO the real disadvantage of year round DST is in Nov, Dec, Jan, and February you have children walking to school or the bus stop in total darkness.
Also what few AM day timers left that don't have a FM translator would severely didavantaged. Of course I don't think there are a lot of financially viable daytimer AMs without FM translators
Also what few AM day timers left that don't have a FM translator would severely didavantaged. Of course I don't think there are a lot of financially viable daytimer AMs without FM translators
For a month I will have to listen to every show on my favorite online radio station an hour later because the station is in England.
Most of the music is pretty much the same but there are some shows that are different that I want to hear.
When an Arizona station still had a big band show, I would miss the first hour for half the year.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
I'm sorry, Chimp, but I fail to understand why you couldn't adjust to the time change that has existed for your entire life. Am I missing something relevant here?
I can’t wait for daylight saving time, we’ll lose an hour of the lounge music on 1110!
are you sure we don't gain an hour? i mean the pattern change to directional will happen an hour later...
that extra hour of sunlight sure helps my tomato plants.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
No, we lose an hour. At 2:00am Standard Time it becomes 3:00am Daylight Time.
I know, because I had to allow for that in MusicMaster.
"Spring ahead" means lose an hour. "Fall back" means repeat one.
In the case of the English station, I have to continue doing other things on the same schedule as before. That means bedtime is at the time it always is, but for several weeks I will have an hour less after one particular show is over to do other stuff. And I will have to wait an hour for other specific shows.
For the Arizona station, its big band show started while church was still going on.
Do you actually think I don't know what Daylight Saving Time is? C'mon man.
And, to your point, we don't actually lose or gain an hour. We move the clock. But that being said, Daylight Saving Time has the appearance of "gaining an hour" of sunlight each afternoon, hence the "helps my tomato plants" joke.
Gosh darn it, don't you just hate it when a station's schedule won't follow yours. I would suggest sending them an email letting them about the inconvenience, along with the exact times in your life schedule, so they can plan appropriately.
I realize you're being facetious, but I think he makes a point. It's certainly not the station's fault; it's nobody's. Both the US and the UK go from Standard time to Daylight time. They just choose a different date to do it. So, from March 6 to March 29, our eastern time zone is no longer the UTC -5 that we're accustomed to, but rather UTC -4. Sure, it's up to any listener to tune in to whatever they want to listen to, but as he mentioned he has prior plans during that time.
I have to wait longer to listen to certain shows.
And I have an hour less to do other stuff on Sunday.
I suppose it's not a big deal.
There is a show I missed because of a cable problem and now I have to watch online, so I could watch that during a break when I don't have anything to listen to on the English station. Then that'll make up for the hour I lose for watching TV.
And I have an hour less to do other stuff on Sunday.
I suppose it's not a big deal.
There is a show I missed because of a cable problem and now I have to watch online, so I could watch that during a break when I don't have anything to listen to on the English station. Then that'll make up for the hour I lose for watching TV.
Then I'm at a lost for offering suggestions. If these are scheduled 'shows', does the online station offer on demand/podcasts? If it's appointment listening, that's almost necessary these days.
No. People requested that.
Geesh. When I worked in TV in Indiana before they started observing DST, twice a year we had to adjust a lot of things we did, including recording satellite feeds, and during DST, tape delaying all (or at least most) network programming (not easy in the 90s). But, we did.
Yeah, roger on that. I don't believe it'll ever change, but stranger things have happened.
Sunlight at 9 PM? Where'd that come from? We live in Slow Time (Central) and everybody to the east of us (my geography is horrible), is on Fast Time (Eastern). Believe it or not, that does cause some problems when it comes to business and such. Kinda reminds me of that old joke about NC and VA. One sprung forward and the other didn't. The story goes, a feller from Wilmington, NC, was going to work in Roanoke, VA and decided to fly there. When he got to the ticket counter, he inquired of schedules, etc. The agent said, there's one that takes off at 7 AM and gets there at 7:03. The traveler just stood there for a second, scratching his head. The ticket agent asked, ya want that one? To which he replied, nah, I just wanna watch that'n take off.
)I've had to wonder how that worked in Indiana for half of the year, and how it might have affected viewers of Indiana stations in adjacent states that did observe DST. Far southwestern Michigan that received South Bend stations, and that part of Ohio from Lima to points west, that received Fort Wayne stations, immediately come to mind. Ditto parts of Indiana that relied upon Dayton, Cincinnati, and Louisville stations.
I guess it would have been kind of like viewers on the California side of the Yuma-El Centro market, that had to make a similar adjustment because of Arizona. You'd just have to get used to a funky TV schedule.