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1110 New Format

Amazing how all the "experts" say it can't be done.

Meanwhile look at the numbers 107.9 has. Not much better than 1110. Almost every FM channel has been filled by full power FM's, low power FM's and translators, making a mess of the FM band till FM sounds as bad or worse than AM.
 
I am guessing, from that remark, that you believe a lot of the Class D ten-watt FMs that cropped up like dandelions in the 1970s are still on the air.

The FCC gives "approximately 100" as the number of those still authorized, nationwide:

(reference is in the first paragraph under "Minimum Levels for Licensed Broadcast Operation")
WMUL 88.1 Huntington WV must have been one of those ten-watters. They had their tower on the science building at Marshall University. They have now gone up to 1400 watts and they get out about 15 miles (not counting fringe reception). Their tower is still in the same place (38° 25' 26.7" N 82° 25' 42.8" W):

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I took botany and geology ("rocks for jocks", though I wasn't one) in that building, got by with the easiest science prerequisites I could, just laziness on my part.
 
I am guessing, from that remark, that you believe a lot of the Class D ten-watt FMs that cropped up like dandelions in the 1970s are still on the air.

The FCC gives "approximately 100" as the number of those still authorized, nationwide:

(reference is in the first paragraph under "Minimum Levels for Licensed Broadcast Operation")
KSKO and its half a dozen class D fm's cropped up in the last 20 years after the am was deleted. you can apply for a class d in alaska at any time
 
KSKO and its half a dozen class D fm's cropped up in the last 20 years after the am was deleted. you can apply for a class d in alaska at any time

Indeed, that is an interesting exception that is referenced in that FCC page I linked to; when the non-comm 10 watt Class D was eliminated and grandfathered in the continental U.S. in 1979, Alaska remained the lone state where those can still be applied for. IIRC, those can be applied for anywhere in the FM band there.
 
WMUL 88.1 Huntington WV must have been one of those ten-watters. They had their tower on the science building at Marshall University. They have now gone up to 1400 watts and they get out about 15 miles (not counting fringe reception). Their tower is still in the same place (38° 25' 26.7" N 82° 25' 42.8" W):

Since they upgraded, they would no longer be one of those the FCC counts as an existing ten-watter, but I do recall that when the class was being eliminated in 1979, a lot of them upgraded to better facilities to avoid being pushed off of their channel (which then became a non-commercial allocation and therefore protected as other stations came along later).
 
Yup- I was incorrect. Thought that the CA legislature followed along w WA and OR in passing law to go into effect should DC choose to enact legisllation. In WA at least if a referendum passes, the legislature must take action on said referendum. Apparently not in CA!

More on Canada and the DST question from Daily Kos:

Apparently Ontario's parliament voted in 2020 to stop flip-flopping, it contained a provision delaying its implementation unless the province of Quebec and the state of New York both also did so. Quebec has taken no action beyond a "public consultation"; NY has had had bills introduced but those stalled in committee each time.

Saskatchewan is on CST year-round and has been since 1966. I was only ten years old then, and still was unaware of this until this morning. (Then again, I always need to look at a map to see where that province lies in the west-to-east sequence ...)

Alberta's PM is also considering the matter, since they are now between a year-round daylight saving time province and a year-round standard time one. (Oh, so that's where Saskatchewan is ...!)

And the patchwork continues. I think I am going to declare that my apartment honors Hawaii time and see if that gets any traction ...
 
Amazing how all the "experts" say it can't be done.

Meanwhile look at the numbers 107.9 has. Not much better than 1110. Almost every FM channel has been filled by full power FM's, low power FM's and translators, making a mess of the FM band till FM sounds as bad or worse than AM.


Unfortunately, you're right. I never thought about the sound, but it fits, as well.
 
Since they upgraded, they would no longer be one of those the FCC counts as an existing ten-watter, but I do recall that when the class was being eliminated in 1979, a lot of them upgraded to better facilities to avoid being pushed off of their channel (which then became a non-commercial allocation and therefore protected as other stations came along later).


So, when did 88.1-91.9 actually become the noncom portion? Kinda thought it always was, but reckon that wasn't the case.
 
So, when did 88.1-91.9 actually become the noncom portion? Kinda thought it always was, but reckon that wasn't the case.

When FM moved from the 42MHz band, those lower frequencies were reserved for non-commercial use.

So the answer is: As long as FM has been on that band.

What was it about my quoted post that made you think otherwise, Josh?
 
When FM moved from the 42MHz band, those lower frequencies were reserved for non-commercial use.

So the answer is: As long as FM has been on that band.

What was it about my quoted post that made you think otherwise, Josh?


K.M. Richards said:
Since they upgraded, they would no longer be one of those the FCC counts as an existing ten-watter, but I do recall that when the class was being eliminated in 1979, a lot of them upgraded to better facilities to avoid being pushed off of their channel (which then became a non-commercial allocation and therefore protected as other stations came along later).

Sorry, haven't figured out how to multiquote yet or even if that's an option, so copied/pasted. It was the 1979 and the then, if that makes sense. So it's always been the noncom portion, ever since the FM band has been 88-108, right?
 
K.M. Richards said:
So it's always been the noncom portion, ever since the FM band has been 88-108, right?

Yes, I see where the confusion lies. The old 10-watt Class D FMs were all in the reserved non-comm part of the band. This was different from today's LPFMs, which can go anywhere they will fit.
 
Yes, I see where the confusion lies. The old 10-watt Class D FMs were all in the reserved non-comm part of the band. This was different from today's LPFMs, which can go anywhere they will fit.


Thanks and correct, on all points.
 
As stated with similar moves on here before, across the country, moving WBT to 107.9 was more to shore up the audience (and sales) it has for a few more years than to bring in new listeners. Radio One knows a 35 year old (or heck, a 50 year old) isn’t going to start listening to WBT just because it’s on 107.9. The majority of the potential listeners are aware of it. But they may be more likely to tune in on FM. It expands the lifespan by a few years.
 
As stated with similar moves on here before, across the country, moving WBT to 107.9 was more to shore up the audience (and sales) it has for a few more years than to bring in new listeners. Radio One knows a 35 year old (or heck, a 50 year old) isn’t going to start listening to WBT just because it’s on 107.9. The majority of the potential listeners are aware of it. But they may be more likely to tune in on FM. It expands the lifespan by a few years.
I get what you're saying, and mostly agree. But there's another side to it. As people age their likes sometimes change. A person that's currently right in the middle of the news-talk demo wasn't there years ago. At what stage in their life did they start listening to WBT? Fast forward to now, wouldn't there be a group of listeners that are gradually becoming more likely to tune to a news-talk outlet? Of course it doesn't happen overnight. They probably discover the station because of traffic or weather reports, or something else the primarily music outlets don't provide. But as they grow older they find themselves coming back more and more, and enjoying programs they never would have enjoyed when they were younger.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that everybody becomes a news-talk listener as they get older. And I'm not saying only old people tune in.
But if the news-talk outlet is only on AM, that potential listener might never even find it.
If your statement is 100% correct, they might as well leave it on AM until the last boomer dies, and then shut the transmitters off. I think the move to FM is actually to bring in new listeners, but certainly not in the short-term. Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
I was in my teens when I started listening to talk radio in Atlanta in the late 80s and remember Rush first being syndicated in Atlanta. And Im 53 now living in SC on the edge of the WBT signal still listening but also listen to alternative talk media and very minimal mainstream conservative national talk anymore. I enjoy WORD and love catching the evening show on WBT. I have to stream WBT but WORD I can easily pick up.
 
My first talk show was Hello Henry, at around the age of eight. Unfortunately, they don't make 'em like that anymore. Last time I tuned in to 'BT over the air, while passing through last October, whoever the guy was (can't remember his name, but it was around 5 or 6in the evening), was doing a fine job commenting on issues related to Charlotte, as he should and in doing so, bringing up very valid points the citizens, counsels and officials should take note of, IMHO. In other words, he was doing his job right, serving his community/area in/with his format.
 
WBT has a reputation as a strong NEWS station. If there is a major local news event in Charlotte WBT has a reputation for being on top of it. WFAE is playing catch up and the music stations just play the hits.

I hope the listener looking for talk or information is smart enough to hit the AM button if they can't find what they're looking for.

Time will tell if this was a good move for WBT. I'd give it a year.

In the meantime what can they do with 1110 that doesn't compete with formats they already have? I'd hate to see them put something like "The Bet" on 1110.
 


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