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TV Show Cancellation Thread (including ending ones)

I would like to make one more point about "Access Hollywood" and its potential to survive this. Quoting from the Variety article:

“Access Hollywood” has a bit of a storied history when it comes to syndicated distributors. Although produced by NBC Studios and airing mostly on NBC stations since its launch in 1996, the show was initially distributed by New World/Genesis Distribution, then 20th Television, and then Warner Bros. Domestic Television Distribution. When NBC launched its own syndicated division, NBC Enterprises took on distribution.
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Neither you or I can predict whether the show will find a new home and continue.
 
One more point: @Don CT keeps referring to "the ratings failing". I would like to remind him -- and anyone else with a similar misconception -- that first-run syndication doesn't live or die by the ratings. They are selling market clearances and the real determining factor is whether or not the stations renew. In cases like the "newsertainment" shows we have been discussing, those tend to be scheduled in the hour before prime time, as a buffer between news and entertainment.

That's what KNBC does with "Access Hollywood". It's what KCBS does with "Inside Edition" and "Entertainment Tonight". It's what KTTV does with "Extra" and "TMZ". In all three cases, a traditional newscast leads into the shows and the network prime time schedule follows it. That is a separate dynamic, and one which makes the fate of those shows less dependent on audience ratings; if they get even reasonable to mediocre viewing they are serving their purpose, the stations will sign up for another season, and that's what will drive whether or not any of them stay in production.

Comcast just decided to get out of syndication. That is the only reason "Access Hollywood" will need to find new distribution to continue. I wouldn't be surprised if they sell the intellectual property to another company and then sign up to run it under that syndicator next season.
 
K.M. Richards said:
I honestly wish you had said that in the first place, Don.

But the question remains (and it's one that you and I don't have the answer to): Why would it take ten years for the cancellation to happen after that? In first-run syndication, the first season in which a long-running show stops turning a profit is that show's last season.

I think it is more likely that Access Hollywood was making money and NBCUniversal has simply decided to get out of the first-run syndication business. The fact that all of their shows are being cancelled simultaneously makes that the most probable answer.
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I'm guessing that Access Hollywood was making money but The Kelly Clarkson Show might of been the highest show for NBC Universal to make money and when she announced she was leaving at the end of the season that prompted them to cancel all the other NBC Universal syndicated shows.

Access Hollywood and Access Live don't air in my market of Des Moines while Access Live never aired Access Hollywood hasn't been on since like around 2015 or somewhere around there.

Koromo and Steve Wilkos both air overnights.
 
Cool_guy81 said:
I'm guessing that Access Hollywood was making money but The Kelly Clarkson Show might of been the highest show for NBC Universal to make money and when she announced she was leaving at the end of the season that prompted them to cancel all the other NBC Universal syndicated shows.
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That is certainly a possibility. If your most profitable show is going away because of circumstances you cannot control, it forces you to look at everything else on your roster to determine the overall viability of what's left.

Good call.

Cool_guy81 said:
Access Hollywood and Access Live don't air in my market of Des Moines while Access Live never aired Access Hollywood hasn't been on since like around 2015 or somewhere around there.

Koromo and Steve Wilkos both air overnights.
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"Access Live" has had much less market penetration anyway. It doesn't air in L.A. either. And we can't really speculate as to why another station in Des Moines didn't pick up "Access Hollywood" when it was dropped a decade ago.

Similarly, Karamo and Steve Wilkos have no carriage in Los Angeles either. So all three of those are likely failing the "market clearance" requirement, and that's enough reason for Comcast to decide to exit that part of the business altogether. Maybe they'll just transfer "Access Hollywood" to the NBC-owned stations division and it will go on without anyone really noticing ... everyone except Don, of course.
 
K.M. Richards said:
That is certainly a possibility. If your most profitable show is going away because of circumstances you cannot control, it forces you to look at everything else on your roster to determine the overall viability of what's left.

Good call.



"Access Live" has had much less market penetration anyway. It doesn't air in L.A. either. And we can't really speculate as to why another station in Des Moines didn't pick up "Access Hollywood" when it was dropped a decade ago.

Similarly, Karamo and Steve Wilkos have no carriage in Los Angeles either. So all three of those are likely failing the "market clearance" requirement, and that's enough reason for Comcast to decide to exit that part of the business altogether. Maybe they'll just transfer "Access Hollywood" to the NBC-owned stations division and it will go on without anyone really noticing ... everyone except Don, of course.
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The O&Os would still need a distribution deal if they did take it over. Let’s say KNBC takes over production who would deliver it. Secondly how long could it go before getting un-cancelled.
 
Don CT said:
The O&Os would still need a distribution deal if they did take it over. Let’s say KNBC takes over production who would deliver it.
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That's the part of the equation neither of us can guess at for certain. But no one says they would need an NBC-owned distributor, right? So they could contract with one of the other syndicators.

Bottom line: If they want to continue, that's not much of a stumbling block at all.

Don CT said:
Secondly how long could it go before getting un-cancelled.
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Did you miss my earlier point? It would continue until the number of cleared markets got too low for the program to be profitable. And there is another dynamic to consider. NBC already starts with 15 major market O&Os that would all carry the program (as they do now). Including their three O&Os, there are 12 stations in California alone carrying it. 19 in Texas (including the DFW O&O). Eight in New York state plus WNBC. If you want to look up other states, here's the search page.

[Disclaimer: I said earlier that "Access Live" wasn't cleared in L.A. It is, but I was searching under that name instead of the correct one, "Access Daily".]

Most of the existing affiliates run it as I described earlier ... as a buffer between the news block and prime-time network entertainment. It would be reasonable to presume that the vast majority of them would continue to carry the show if it continued.

So I think you are pessimistic in expecting it to be "un-cancelled" if it manages to continue in production.
 
The show has been reported as cancelled. So people will be looking for work. If it does get picked up somewhere else they better announce that soon.
 
Don CT said:
The show has been reported as cancelled. So people will be looking for work. If it does get picked up somewhere else they better announce that soon.
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It has been reported as cancelled as part of the decision by NBCUniversal to end all first-run syndication.

This simplistic approach you take in understanding is why everything leads to an argument. You didn't learn one thing from all of my replies. You, sir, are IMPOSSIBLE and I don't know why anyone bothers to read what you post anymore.
 
Cool_guy81 said:
I can understand why and NBC selling most of their cable networks to Versant that NBC is only looking towards NBC and the Peacock App.

Also in Des Moines they don't air Access Hollywood and Access Daily while Koromo airs at Midnight and Steve Wilkos airs at 2:30am. They just stopped being profitable as they were once.
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True especially in places where Comcast owns the NBC affiliate and is a major internet/cable provider in the area such as San Francisco. I seen lots of promos for Peacock TV app and Xfinity Internet service on NBC Bay Area and NBC Sports Bay Area between local news segments and between timeouts during Golden State Warriors games. Just like everybody else here we know who Comcast is protecting as part of their strategy to go after Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Paramount + and AppleTV to get viewers to their TV apps. We saw this when Comcast signed national broadcast deals with MLB and NBA to get viewers directly to Peacock app for some games.
 
Don CT said:
Did the show ever really compete with ET. Or was it always the ugly step sister.
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K.M. Richards said:
THEY ARE SYNDICATED BY DIFFERENT COMPANIES! SHEESH!
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Don CT said:
BUT THEY COMPETE IN THE SAME SPACE!
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"Step sister" implies the same family. Or, in this case, same syndicator.

I repeat: You obviously are learning nothing from the replies to your posts. Not just my replies, but everyone else's. If you did, there would be no arguments.

But I guess that doesn't matter, because ...

Don CT said:
Ok I’m ignoring you now. Sane arguments every time.
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I know that's a typo, but I will take that as a compliment anyway by considering it to be a Freudian slip.
 
Don CT said:
Did the show ever really compete with ET. Or was it always the ugly step sister.
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This is inane. The show didn’t run for that many years without having success. Just because you seem to have some odd issue with it when whatever host left, the basic facts are pretty simple. If it wasn’t competing and providing value to stations for numerous years, stations would have picked up something else. Perhaps pausing a moment to think would be a good thing.
 
as for the future of the shows NBCUniversal just canceled, outside of Kelly Clarkson, i see all these shows getting revived under syndication by Amazon MGM a la Judge Judy as "Judy Justice" or Bryon Allen and his company allows their shows to continue with names with Steve Wilkos becoming "Wilkos" or Karamo Brown relaunches his talk show as well under ownership from Byron Allen, and i can see the Access Hollywood team leave NBCUniversal and Byron hires them all and relaunches Access Hollywood as Entertainers Daily with Mario Lopez & Kit Hoover. and
 
Will_H_69_9 said:
as for the future of the shows NBCUniversal just canceled, outside of Kelly Clarkson, i see all these shows getting revived under syndication by Amazon MGM a la Judge Judy as "Judy Justice" or Bryon Allen and his company allows their shows to continue with names with Steve Wilkos becoming "Wilkos" or Karamo Brown relaunches his talk show as well under ownership from Byron Allen, and i can see the Access Hollywood team leave NBCUniversal and Byron hires them all and relaunches Access Hollywood as Entertainers Daily with Mario Lopez & Kit Hoover. and
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The “it happened once so it’s definitely going to happen again” thing is weird. Most often, things just die. There is not some second act for everything that gets axed.

With particular regard to Access Hollywood, that show had the clearances on NBC owned stations. They’re not going to do that with a new show, putting it at an immediate deficit to get a decent clearance in multiple major markets.

It’s not happening.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
With particular regard to Access Hollywood, that show had the clearances on NBC owned stations. They’re not going to do that with a new show, putting it at an immediate deficit to get a decent clearance in multiple major markets.
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I think it could be resurrected if -- as I suggested earlier -- either the intellectual property is transferred to another company, or the NBC-owned stations division took over producing it. Either would allow the program to continue under the same title, which eliminates the "unfamiliar" factor you describe.

Access Hollywood has enough stations running it in prime fringe to still be viable. The only reason it is in danger now is that NBCUniversal scaling back to only syndicating library material effectively cancels it.

Unless either of the above scenarios happen.
 


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