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560

Weiserguy said:
So, stupid question: why couldn't 560 be diplexed with the KGO site by the Dumbarton, even if the station had to go nondirectional at a lower power? The 810 transmitter plant is there, it's co-owned, the towers are in place and probably decently maintained (understanding that This Is Cumulus...), wouldn't that be the path of least resistance if they really wanted to keep 560 alive? What am I missing?
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Questions to ask:
1) How much would diplexing cost?
2) How long would it take to recover that cost?
3) What amount and kind of resources would one have to keep going during the amount of time it would take to recover the cost? In other words, how long could one hold out before the investment paid off?

I think there are very few entities that could provide a viable answer to all three questions. I don’t think Cumulus is one of those entities.
 
TheBigA said:
It's likely not worth the money it would cost to diplex. Cumulus says the station is in the process of being sold.

I'd imagine the potential buyers know what they're getting. Which is basically a license and that's all.
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For any sale to be on solid legal ground, Cumulus would have to disclose exactly what it is they’re selling. So, yes, any potential buyer should be well aware that all they’re getting is a license. What any potential buyer may not understand would be the steps and assets required to put that license into operation. It depends on the savvy and experience of any such potential buyer. In a way, it’s like buying a vacant lot for development…except, in this case, the lot will disappear after August 12 (I think I’ve remembered the correct date) if nothing is developed on it.

Never say never, but the outlook for 560 is far from promising. Possibilities are one thing; probabilities are another thing.
 
Weiserguy said:
When I look at those photos in combination with Lou's comments, the thought I get is, how does anyone ever repair or replace the radial system? It can't exactly be in great shape after 80 years either, but now you have all those industrial sites immediately next door, and they have their own infrastructure built over many of the radials. Getting access to them now would be near impossible.

So, stupid question: why couldn't 560 be diplexed with the KGO site by the Dumbarton, even if the station had to go nondirectional at a lower power? The 810 transmitter plant is there, it's co-owned, the towers are in place and probably decently maintained (understanding that This Is Cumulus...), wouldn't that be the path of least resistance if they really wanted to keep 560 alive? What am I missing?
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If Cumulus wanted to keep 560, the least costly route would be to "diplex" it into KNBR's spare tower. 1) KNBR is non-directional so there's no directional pattern to deal with and 2) the coupling loss between the towers (tall one for 680, short one for 560) greatly reduces the amount of opposite-frequency filtering needed in each transmitter's feed. Another simple solution for a new owner would be to diplex it on the 1260 tower - again, no DA to screw with so it would be fairly straightforward.
 
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Lou Schneider said:
If Cumulus wanted to keep 560,
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TheBigA said:
Which they don't.
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If these guys would please give up the hope that 560 is going to come back to life, you wouldn't have to keep saying that, A. Everything Cumulus has done since taking it silent aims toward surrendering the license once the STA ends.

I suppose someone will propose that someone new applies for the frequency. Before they do, please get it into your collective heads that there is no legal process to do that either.

And the day Cumulus surrenders the license, I will ask Lance to close this thread.
 
I don't know if I like the idea of a non moderator deciding what threads should be closed because they don't like certain posts. There's nothing offensive or political going on here, to warrant such.
 
KilowattKat said:
I don't know if I like the idea of a non moderator deciding what threads should be closed because they don't like certain posts. There's nothing offensive or political going on here, to warrant such.
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The point KM made was that this is over once the license is surrendered. There is no proceeding to file for a new AM right away, and there is no way to buy something that has been cancelled.
 
K.M. Richards said:
If these guys would please give up the hope that 560 is going to come back to life, you wouldn't have to keep saying that, A. Everything Cumulus has done since taking it silent aims toward surrendering the license once the STA ends.

I suppose someone will propose that someone new applies for the frequency. Before they do, please get it into your collective heads that there is no legal process to do that either.

And the day Cumulus surrenders the license, I will ask Lance to close this thread.
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If you do that, I hope he ignores you. This site is called RadioDiscussions after all. It’s little surprise that people might want to talk about the possible demise of a radio station with deep historic roots in one of the largest markets in the United States. If you don’t like the turn of the discussion, then post something you do want to discuss about it, or just ignore it altogether.

Moreover, Cumulus has stated, multiple times, that there are negotiations going on for the sale of the station…or at least its license, given that we now know that its transmitter site is being dismantled. Cumulus’ general counsel signs all the STA requests that the company makes. Of all people, he would know the danger of misrepresenting facts to the Commission. So I’m going to assume that negotiations are proceeding in good faith. It’s possible that negotiations for a sale will not be successful. That’s part of the normal process of business. So Cumulus’ statements are no guarantee that there will be a sale. But we do know that they haven’t turned in the license. Maybe it’s time to let events run their course.

If people want to speculate, let them. I prefer not to speculate, for I’m pretty sure that speculation of this sort will have no practical effect. But I don’t think it’s my role to tell people what specific subjects they should or should not post about. We have moderators, and they are good people. I trust that, if things get too far out of hand, they will take appropriate action.

Meanwhile, we watch and wait….
 
Weiserguy said:
Oh no no no! There are still months of "I caught a 560 from Southwest Left Bumblefuhq in Alaska last night, or CYOY in Medicine Balls, Canada just before the summer solstice."
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I want to hear someone speculate about the KLZ nighttime pattern. (Am I reading this right…it’s a DA-1? Interesting….)

(Typing this on an iPad, I first fat-fingered this as “KLX”…how ironic)
 
Mark Roberts said:
Moreover, Cumulus has stated, multiple times, that there are negotiations going on for the sale of the station…or at least its license, given that we now know that its transmitter site is being dismantled. Cumulus’ general counsel signs all the STA requests that the company makes. Of all people, he would know the danger of misrepresenting facts to the Commission. So I’m going to assume that negotiations are proceeding in good faith. It’s possible that negotiations for a sale will not be successful. That’s part of the normal process of business. So Cumulus’ statements are no guarantee that there will be a sale. But we do know that they haven’t turned in the license. Maybe it’s time to let events run their course.
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If the license remains active then I agree that there are probably negotiations going on.

But what I meant by my statement -- and go back and read it so you will see I am being consistent here -- if Cumulus surrenders the license, that is the end of it. No resurrection, no negotiations, no new application for the frequency.

And at that point, the thread should die.

But until then ...
 
K.M. Richards said:
If the license remains active then I agree that there are probably negotiations going on.

But what I meant by my statement -- and go back and read it so you will see I am being consistent here -- if Cumulus surrenders the license, that is the end of it. No resurrection, no negotiations, no new application for the frequency.

And at that point, the thread should die.
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I do not agree.

When the CBS News Radio thread was shut down due to yet another political back-and-forth, it also meant that subsequent developments couldn’t be discussed in the thread where they logically belonged. There may be knock-on effects from a 560 license deletion…if that is indeed what happens. We should be able to discuss the aftermath of whatever results.

I could get really blunt but I don’t want this thread to be shut down now, so I’m holding back on what I really want to say here.
 
And I do not agree with you.

Which I guess makes this a screwy version of "agree to disagree".
 
michael hagerty said:
I learned a few hours ago that dismantling work has begun at the 560 transmitter site at Islais Creek and is expected to be complete in two weeks.

Items from the site, including the top beacon of the tower, are now in the care of the California Historical Radio Society in Alameda.

If there is a transfer rather than a surrender of the license, a new owner will have to arrange for a new transmitter location.
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its likely to be a surrender.. from what i gather.. or infer, from what one person said
 
Mediafrog+ said:
Cumulus recently reactivated KPUR in Amarillo, one of the AM stations they had taken silent a year ago. It is one of four stations for which Cumulus is asking the bankruptcy court to cancel a tower lease.

KPUR is reportedly simulcasting one of the Cumulus FMs in Amarillo, but I haven’t heard if it has gone silent again.
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It was still on air as of 2 or 3 days ago. It booms in here at night, 450 miles away
 
SomeRadioGuy said:
It was still on air as of 2 or 3 days ago. It booms in here at night, 450 miles away
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Not a surprise. The KPUR 1kw directional night signal is aimed right at you in Laramie.

Seems there might be a sale for the station; very curious to see who buys it. Once a popular Top 40 station in Amarillo but that was 50 years ago.
 
K.M. Richards said:
And I do not agree with you.

Which I guess makes this a screwy version of "agree to disagree".
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All threads have a life span. This one will eventually run it's course, in the meantime, there's need for anyone to decide for others when that should happen it, unless things get ugly. 😲 I don't see that happening on this thread, thank goodness!
 


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