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I tend to doubt David's notion that programming quality would improve should SiriusXM and iHeart merge. I'll believe it when I see it.
I suspect that, in the near term, we wouldn’t notice any difference. Any changes would come further down the road. I would think they would want to avoid pissing off paying satellite subscribers.
From my standpoint, the one thing I would like about a merger between the two companies is that it could mean one app across all of its operations. The dash on my car has 36 buttons that I can set across all service. I have SXM The Spectrum on Preset 1, 102.3 FM on Preset 2, and I have 610 and 810 AM on my 12th and 13th presets. I'd love an app that would let me link SiriusXM to it and allow me to switch seamlessly between it and my favorite stations like my dash works while allowing me to free up some screen real estate.
That should be the ultimate goal of all consumer directed media. Wherever you are, on whatever device, you simply call up any service you want, and the device fetches it in the most efficient way possible. People don’t care about specific technical platforms, they just want to have easy access to desired content. Or, to steal a phrase from Apple, “It just works.”
iHeart, at least under present leadership, opposes lifting ownership caps. That doesn't mean it won't trade if caps get lifted, but iHeart is aware that it can only grow the current business model so much.
There are likely a number of markets where iHeart would like to increase their station count. Houston is one such example, as they only have three FMs here.
 
Do you know what anti-trust is? If consumers have a choice, there is no anti-trust.

Going by your logic, if
Do you know what anti-trust is? If consumers have a choice, there is no anti-trust.

Answering your second question, yes. Here is a link to the definition provided by the Federal Trade Commission:



Note that the definition doesn't provide clarity about whether the lack of competition is within or between industries. However, a link to a discussion by the Georgetown University Law School helps define this matter:



From that link comes the following quote:

"Antitrust law – sometimes referred to as "competition law" – focuses on the statutes and regulations that promote fair and open competition within different
industries and geographic markets."

So the question becomes is Internet radio a separate industry from over-the-air radio. As far as I know, the courts have yet to rule on that question, but I, for one, would argue that despite the fact that they are wooing the same consumers, they should be treated as separate industries for the purposes of antitrust law.
 
So the question becomes is Internet radio a separate industry from over-the-air radio.

In the case of iHeart, it operates in both broadcast and internet radio. In the case of Sirius, it operates in both satellite and internet radio.

If consumers & advertisers are choosing internet radio rather than using broadcast radio, they have demonstrated that they are the same industry.

So in practical terms, they are the same industry. The music conference I attended a week ago sees them all as the same.

There are no laws that restrict entry by any company or person into the field of internet radio. It's all wide open with no rules or limits.
 
If consumers & advertisers are choosing internet radio rather than using broadcast radio, they have demonstrated that they are the same industry.

So in practical terms, they are the same industry. The music conference I attended a week ago sees them all as the same.
That ultimately will be for the courts to decide (assuming a case is brought on the matter), not the consumers or even the music industry.
 
The perspective purchase of the NRG stations in Lincoln, NE, by Connisseur, if approved (which seems likely), would leave Connisseur owning all of the licensed commercial radio stations in that market. While there are some non-commercial outlets (including an NPR affiliate and an independent that broadcasts some Pacifica programs), the fact remains that having one company, even if it isn't IHeart, owning all of the commercial media licensed to a given market is not as far off as you think.

An area where I misspoke on the Nebraska board was when I said few people in Omaha listen to Lincoln stations and vice-versa. While that was true with respect to Omaha, roughly 40% of listening in Lincoln is to Omaha stations. If Connoisseur is allowed to buy the NRG stations, it will only have about half of listening in the market. When Clear Channel had stations in both markets, it had roughly the same share of listening Connoisseur wants today and almost double the cume as total listening was higher then.
 
Regarding the anti-trust question, I will side with BigA.

A similar concern was raised during the merger between Sirius and XM two decades ago. Was satellite radio the "industry" or was it all forms of radio and audio entertainment? Federal regulatory bodies decided it was the latter, and the marriage of Sirius and XM was allowed to proceed.

I do not believe an SXM and iHM merger should trigger anti-trust roadblocks. That said, I think SXM would be very foolish to purchase all of iHM. Might it make sense to purchase portions of iHM? Perhaps.

Maybe iHM will ultimately spin its streaming and podcasting platform into a JV between itself and Sirius XM?
 
Then who ends up with the radio stations? Seems to me that deal was proposed once before.

If you read the various articles about this potential merger, it's clear that it's all about acquiring the podcast content and owning the distribution platform.

In other words, two of the biggest "radio" companies want to merge because they care more about podcasts than radio. Reason #527 why radio sucks so much now.
 
If you read the various articles about this potential merger, it's clear that it's all about acquiring the podcast content and owning the distribution platform.

I understand that, but that's what's keeping the company afloat. As I said, iHeart has had opportunities to just sell the digital before and didn't do it.

At that time it was determined the sale price wasn't enough to cover the debt.
 
Why do so many people consider iHeart to be a radio monopoly, or anything close to it? Believe it or not, there are many cities in this country where iHeart owns not one radio station.

That's true. But man, iHeart is in virtually ALL the big markets.

CTListener's post got me wondering, how far down the list of top markets do we have to go to see a city without an iHeart station? It's Market #35, Kansas City. That means Markets #1 through 34 have iHeart stations, with the exception of Puerto Rico #17. The next market with no iHeart station is #59, Buffalo.
 
From a business standpoint, buying a company that has incured a lot of debt with your own company which also has a lot of debt *only* makes sense if you believe you have a way to *earn more* from the combined revenues than at least the interest you are paying on that debt. While some may argue economies of scale, I have yet to see that work in practice in any material sense, especially in the radio industry, which makes me suspect that @Theater of My Mind's arguments on this have a lot more validity than you give him/her credit for.
Core to advanced business school training is the idea that you "never use your own money if you can borrow at a lower rate of return than your projected rate of earnings on the borrowed money". Unless there is a disruptive event, like a mega-recession or totally new technology that invalidates yours, this is a concept that has worked since the Industrial Revolution began.
What I think is most likely to happen should this merger actually occur is that jobs and over-the-air stations will disappear faster than they otherwise would if both IHeart and XM had not merged.
That is just a guess. The rate of disappearance of radio stations is increasing every quarter. Even more, we are seeing hundreds of AM stations going to very low non-directional power which means that the only reason those stations are on the air is to allow a translator to operate. Were that requirement of keeping the AM on the air to be eliminated, we'd see well over a thousand AMs going off permanently.
Advertising agencies, like everybody else, should be careful of what they wish for. While it is true that in monopolistic and monopolistic competition (where there are only a few big companies to deal with), advertising agencies will have to deal with fewer people when purchasing national advertising time, it is also true that the prices they will pay for their national ad campaigns will actually rise as there will be little to no competition for their ad dollars from other over-the-air broadcasters.
Ad agencies have metrics for new media, based on quantitative audience measurement. If anything, there are more alternatives today than back when they had radio, TV and print. If you look at ad supported options in new media, there is everything from ads on news sites, neighborhood sites, affinity group sites, as well as via search engines, podcast providers and lots more. That is vastly more "choice" than agencies and their clients had before.

As far as I can tell, those extra formats that station cluster owners put wern't very profitable, either. What happened (and this appears to be the case with Hubbard and its AM oldies and sports stations in Phoenix) is that the clusters' more profitable outlets are used to prop up the less profitable operations.
No, but you are thinking that each station in a cluster is separate. Actually, ever since there were clusters elsewhere in the world going back about 70 years or so, we have sold packages of stations together. Each one contributes and the concept is that, some or all of your cluster stations are what an advertiser buys, not each station.
This will continue to occur until the cluster owner decides that he/she doesn't want to prop up his less profitable stations and then decides to either try to sell the less profitable outlet to a religious or noncom (whose audience [mostly] doesn't support the stations' advertisers) or cancel the unprofitable stations' licenses altogether. And, if the owning company is a publically traded one, the scenario I just laid out will happen more quickly than in privately held concerns.
But that is the same thing as McDonalds does every few years: the non-productive assets are closed. There is a reason why we don't have DeSoto cars, either.
This is the downside of unregulated market capitalism.
In very regulated capitalism... what we see in Radio in Canada... even big 50 kw fulltime stations are being closed. What we have here is the advancement of technology... and the reason why every neighborhood does not have a blacksmith any longer.
Ultimately, and again this has been noted historically, without regulation, the few gain at the expense of the many. And your above paragraph sums that up quite nicely for the field of radio broadcasting.
The reason why we have national streaming content sources as well as all kinds of new web based businesses like DoorDash or Angie's List (Now "Angie's") is that the technology permits them to prosper. Back when calling someone just 50 miles away cost as much as $0.50 a minute, that was not feasible or affordable.

What you are totally ignoring is that every one of use with a 401-k or a pension plan gets their income and from those "big companies" that are actually owned by tens of thousands of people.
The last point I will make to your response is one that I have made elsewhere but bears repeating. If you have one company or person holding the licenses for all of the OTA broadcasters in a given market, then the political views of those that either do not agree with the owner or who the owner (or corporate head) has a damaging personal relationship with will be aired seldom, if at all.
Over many decades, owners of stations wishing to make money present the formats that will generate ad revenue, not personal satisfaction. In fact, the conservative Mays family was among the first to commit a major batch of stations to Air America, the now-gone liberal talk network. That effort ended not due to owner-based political philosophies but because the format could not sustain a viable, salable audience.
And while that may make for good capitalism it *most certainly* does not help a democracy, no matter how strong that democracy may be.
I have so many news sources available to me I can't name even a quarter of them.

In the 60's or 70's, in any U.S. market we had maybe 2 newspapers, maybe a couple of suburban "shopper" papers in big cities, a couple of radio stations that had "big" news images and maybe 2 or 3 decent TV news operations That is about 5 or 6 news sources in a larger city.

Today, even in Ludington, Michigan, anyone with a smartphone or computer or even an Amazon Alexa device has dozens and dozens of information sources. That seems like a stronger situation, not a degraded one.

Oh, and keep in mind that in the 50's, 60's and 70's when stations had to comply with FCC news requirements, all that 90% or more of stations did was subscribe to one of just two news agencies, UPI or AP, and read the stuff the teletype spit out for a few minutes an hour.
 
The perspective purchase of the NRG stations in Lincoln, NE, by Connisseur, if approved (which seems likely), would leave Connisseur owning all of the licensed commercial radio stations in that market. While there are some non-commercial outlets (including an NPR affiliate and an independent that broadcasts some Pacifica programs), the fact remains that having one company, even if it isn't IHeart, owning all of the commercial media licensed to a given market is not as far off as you think.
I am in a sub-100 market, Palm Springs. It is over-radioed and over-TVed. But I have no working radio that is not stored in a box in a drawer. But on my 3 full PCs, my two laptops and my iPhone and iPad I have access to news and information from this area, from Southern California, from the US in general and from many international news sources as well as numerous news sources from countries I am interested in, ranging from Israel to Ecuador and Mexico.

A huge and growing percentage of the population does not use licensed radio stations at all, ever. Some others only hear radio when with someone, generally older, has a radio on. And listening by the average person who uses radio by choice is at a level that is about 75% lower than a person of the same age would have done 25 years ago (about 5 hours a week now, on average, in every market vs. around 20 hours a week in Y2K).
 
I tend to doubt David's notion that programming quality would improve should SiriusXM and iHeart merge. I'll believe it when I see it. From my standpoint, the one thing I would like about a merger between the two companies is that it could mean one app across all of its operations. The dash on my car has 36 buttons that I can set across all service. I have SXM The Spectrum on Preset 1, 102.3 FM on Preset 2, and I have 610 and 810 AM on my 12th and 13th presets. I'd love an app that would let me link SiriusXM to it and allow me to switch seamlessly between it and my favorite stations like my dash works while allowing me to free up some screen real estate. No guarantee that will ever happen, I suppose, but it's not happening under the status quo.
You forget that a huge and growing percentage of the population never or seldom uses AM, FM or satellite. They are streaming both live and on demand services and find things more to their taste that are available on their schedule.

The issue is not about who owns radio stations. It is about the fact that radio revenue is off by about 66% over the last 20 years against increased expenses while listening, based on hours per week, is off by 75% in the last 25 years.
I don't believe there are any market caps prohibiting a SiriusXM/iHeart merger. They're not considered to be the same service from a market standpoint since one is subscription based while the other is advertising based. The new company might be more aggressive at pursuing acquisitions, but smaller companies have been the ones requesting market cap waivers so far. iHeart, at least under present leadership, opposes lifting ownership caps. That doesn't mean it won't trade if caps get lifted, but iHeart is aware that it can only grow the current business model so much.
And that is why they want to move to on demand services and user paid services since the public does not want ad supported media.
 
Not surprised if a merger happens with IHeart & SirusXM I have no problem with this deal since there is a lot of choices when it comes to music.
 
This seems like a really bad deal for SiriusXM. iHeart has too much debt. SXM has actually been managing quite well despite all the disruption happening in radio. I don't know why they'd want to pick up all that debt, unless iHeart's creditors are making the deal worthwhile to SXM.

It sounds like this is going to be a merger, not an acquisition by SiriusXM, so it looks like they may be structuring the deal to appease concerned investors.

Again, SXM is being run fairly decently considering the decline of radio, so to agree to this deal, the financials must look promising.

I do see deals like these as essential for these dying broadcasters. It looks like Spotify, Apple and Google (via YouTube) will own the majority of audio consumption going forward. The only way to salvage their businesses is to consolidate.
 
This seems like a really bad deal for SiriusXM. iHeart has too much debt. SXM has actually been managing quite well despite all the disruption happening in radio. I don't know why they'd want to pick up all that debt, unless iHeart's creditors are making the deal worthwhile to SXM.

It sounds like this is going to be a merger, not an acquisition by SiriusXM, so it looks like they may be structuring the deal to appease concerned investors.

Again, SXM is being run fairly decently considering the decline of radio, so to agree to this deal, the financials must look promising.

I do see deals like these as essential for these dying broadcasters. It looks like Spotify, Apple and Google (via YouTube) will own the majority of audio consumption going forward. The only way to salvage their businesses is to consolidate.
I hate to be a "glass half empty" person but: IMHO all consolation has done is make the bankruptcies bigger. The Wall Street money last century only accelerated the decline with debt.

I believe several of the big radio operators don't want to be radio operators. They believe the "next big thing" streaming and podcasts are the future. As a former shareholder of Pandora, I believe they should be careful. With the low cost of entry, podcasting competition will be fierce in the future.

Why would SXM take on debt to take over a any business that can't service it's debt. I am sure the smart shareholders are not happy.
 
I believe several of the big radio operators don't want to be radio operators. They believe the "next big thing" streaming and podcasts are the future.

That's a funny comment. You're saying there will come a day when we will all throw away our PCs, tablets, and cell phones and rush to eBay to buy transistor radios, and the world will be great again. Streaming & podcasts aren't just the future. They're the present.

It's what critics about NBC and CBS when they invested in TV, to the detriment of their radio businesses in the 1940s. Ultimately they each got out of the radio business. Perhaps that's what this merger is about. Someone has to own these stations, or they simply become abandoned and left to decay by the side of the road. It takes a special kind of owner to get into the museum or restoration business. That's what some want to see with radio.
 


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