1,600 songs and growing

[midwestclubber]

> > > This guy is just mean!
> > > Take a look at most of his postings.
> > > he loves to cut people down.
> > >
> > > I know I shouldn't get mad at people like this.
> > > they have there problems.
> > >
> > > and yes, I probably have a lot to learn about proper
> board
> >
> > > ettiquette
> > >
> >
> > He is the admin for Radio-Info and runs a dance station
> over
> > the internet that peaks at like 10 listeners... so i would
>
> > be very careful of upsetting this dude. LOL
> >
> That does not give anyone an excuse for being rude.
> 10 Listeners? Is that all we can muster on this thing?
> DAM, I want a 50,000 watt FM stick, so I can "Freak" the
> world )
> Could you imagine me on a big commercial station, that just
> wouldn't be right would it?
> to bad I don't have $$$$$ or I would be there.
>
> www.1club.fm EH! I will have to check that out!
> you have 30 streams?
> how in gods name do you afford the bandwith?
>
1club.fm is a Kick azz station. All of their channels are very well programed, I highly recommend checking them out. I dont understand how the streams sound so good at 32k, Russ must have them streams highly processed, and filtered some how, because there are very little artifacts.

 

[clubfm]

> > > > This guy is just mean!
> > > > Take a look at most of his postings.
> > > > he loves to cut people down.
> > > >
> > > > I know I shouldn't get mad at people like this.
> > > > they have there problems.
> > > >
> > > > and yes, I probably have a lot to learn about proper
> > board
> > >
> > > > ettiquette
> > > >
> > >
> > > He is the admin for Radio-Info and runs a dance station
> > over
> > > the internet that peaks at like 10 listeners... so i
> would
> >
> > > be very careful of upsetting this dude. LOL
> > >
> > That does not give anyone an excuse for being rude.
> > 10 Listeners? Is that all we can muster on this thing?
> > DAM, I want a 50,000 watt FM stick, so I can "Freak" the
> > world )
> > Could you imagine me on a big commercial station, that
> just
> > wouldn't be right would it?
> > to bad I don't have $$$$$ or I would be there.
> >
> > www.1club.fm EH! I will have to check that out!
> > you have 30 streams?
> > how in gods name do you afford the bandwith?
> >
> 1club.fm is a Kick azz station. All of their channels are
> very well programed, I highly recommend checking them out.
> I dont understand how the streams sound so good at 32k, Russ
> must have them streams highly processed, and filtered some
> how, because there are very little artifacts.
>

It takes a lot of planning, time, and dedication. The money involved in net radio is not that great (which is the reason I have a second job). As for the processing.. its very simple... Only use CD 320k rips.. and that will solve your problem. Sure, its expensive buying the music on CDs.. but it a) makes the processing flawless.. and b) helps support the music. Im totally against downloading music because it does nothing for the music scene.. and it makes the processing on the station very poor sounding

As for the programming... its actually very simple... Try not to sound like an FM radio station. 75% of our audience tunes in every single day while at work.. and they would rather hear a solid jukebox-type stream (meaning they have no idea what will be coming up next), instead of a FM type stream that has a tight playlist.. sweeper between every song... and djs talking between songs - they hate that at work. Each of our streams have over 60 hours of music in the playlist. Of course radio junkies want the real FM sound.. but the average listener doesnt. Hence... look at Digitally Imported... They dont even edit down 10 minute songs and look how sucessful they are.

Thanks Midwest for the props!<P ID="signature">______________
www.1Club.FM INTERNET RADIO STATION
30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>

 

[SamBuca]

> I Only Posted on the Appropriate format Boards.
> Since I play everything from Dance to rock to whatever.
> You Don't have a "Jack" Board.

We do not permit posts across multiple boards...regardless of what you think you did, that's what our policy is and that's what was done. The jack board is here: http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts?Board=variety

> by the way, whats your stations URL?
> I would love to hear, what you can do.

I don't have a station.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>

 

[musicloverII]

96K is not high quality? It's not bad. I guess you've never heard 56K at super high quality. It's all in the tweeking and a little trickery with the audio file. I'd find another topic to get on this guy about (if that's what you want to do) because 96 is better than 64 and 56 [in some instances] and 128 is supreme but there is a way to make 56k (acutally 48) to sound as good as 128. Just droppin' some science on yo asses.

> 1) This is your last freebie plug. If you want to
> constantly advertise using this site you can pay us for the
> resources you consume.
>
> 2) Your crossfades are broken.
>
> 3) 96k is NOT impressive, NOT high quality, and nowhere near
> FM.
>
> 4) Why is this on a dance board? I've heard 4 unknown
> ballads/rock and no dance.
>
> 5) Speaking of unknown ballads, I don't see the titles being
> streamed.
>
> 6) I wish this "jack-fm" craze would be taken out back and
> put down. I absolutely HATE the diversity...that's why we
> have separate stations. When I want rap crap and top 40,
> I'll go to a top 40. When I want dance, I'll hit up a
> dance. When I want country, I'll hit up country. 1,600
> songs presents me with about 1,300 unknown songs that I
> couldn't care less about.
>
> 7) Your levels are all over the place. Get processing.
>

 

[OkumbaPHX]

48k stream that rivals 128k?
Please clue me in to this.

or point me in the right direction, Id love to do 48k, sounding like 128k.
then I wouldn't have to close out my dial-up listeners.
not that I really had any dial-up listeners, the few that listen seem to be on cable and dsl.
and to the few that listen, Thanks, I hope you enjoy what you hear.

 

[OkumbaPHX]

Thats interesting, so you say the Higher you rip your cd's the better your sound will be?
even if your only like me at 96kbps.
I figured it wouldn't make much difference to rip at high bandwith, since Im only going out at 96k.
here Ive been doing 128k rips (
figuring anything higher would just be a waste.

after the holidays are over Im going to give your station some serious listening.
Im not at my home computer now, spending time with friends and family.
I agree with you on not sounding like FM radio.
Im so tired of the FM "Homogenized" sound.

But I find, that some of my listeners are turned off by drastic format switches.
Hence, the time I went from dance to "Zeppelin" everyone logged off.

what are you using as a server are you on "Shoutcast"?
I used to do "live365" back in 2002 but that was a joke.
I couldn't even stomach the low quality and constant errors.
maybe they have gotten better, but they were useless back then.

Im curious how you can host 30 streams at like 30+ kbps , unless you have A HUGE UPLOAD connection.

I could get a bigger connection but that would get pricey, and Im trying to keep this a cheap hobby.

I have nothing against downloading songs, sometimes that is the only way you can find some stuff.

a lot of my stuff is transfer from tape and some from vinyl.
lots of old 80's stuff.
Some of the newer stuff is internet and store bought.
a lot of it was from friends collections back in ohio )

Some interesting stuff I bought years ago in canada, thats not available in the states.
well, I better get back to visiting with friends, before Im considered anti-social )

Hope everyones enjoying the 4th of july )

 

[midwestclubber]

> 48k stream that rivals 128k?
> Please clue me in to this.
>
> or point me in the right direction, Id love to do 48k,
> sounding like 128k.
> then I wouldn't have to close out my dial-up listeners.
> not that I really had any dial-up listeners, the few that
> listen seem to be on cable and dsl.
> and to the few that listen, Thanks, I hope you enjoy what
> you hear.
>
The only way to get a 48k stream anywhere close to 128k is using aac format, or possibly using mp3pro, but alot of people dont like using mp3 pro because it makes older computers run slow, and most players dont support mp3 pro, the listeners have to download the (Thompsons MP3pro plug in), and they have to be using (WINAMP ONLY) in order for mp3 pro to work. The aac mp4 format is pretty good though, and you dont need a special plugin for it to work, listeners need only the lastest versions of Real one, ITUNES or Winamp to listen.

 

[Renegade_X]

How to make a stream sound great

MP3pro is a good way. I have it the plug in on Winamp 5, and when I play the 24K audio stream on Energy 981, I can barely tell the difference. In fact, the only way I can tell it's a lower quality is at home on the subwoofer system. It's a touch flatter, but still sounds great.

I've always found that Real Player gets a better sound at a lower bit rate. I noticed this years ago when I'd listen to Energia 97 in Brasil at 32K and I could crank it and it sounded awesome.

There is also AAC, the Apple format. I don't know alot about it, but it's rather clear, and apparently a 64K stream can give CD quality. Songs on iTunes are only 128K, but peaking on the iPod, it's hard to tell. I have a ripped CD 320Kb copy of Rhianna and a 128 itunes copy. They sound almost exactly the same. The AAC format is used by M1live if you want to hear it. Run it in iTunes.

 

[Renegade_X]

I'm on a 4 year old AMD 1 GHz. Win 2K, SP 4, Winamp running right now with MP3 Pro. It's using 9 MB of RAM. CPU time is very low. It's not that much of a hog, and I'd figure much of society has a faster computer than this old crate.
> >
> The only way to get a 48k stream anywhere close to 128k is
> using aac format, or possibly using mp3pro, but alot of
> people dont like using mp3 pro because it makes older
> computers run slow, and most players dont support mp3 pro,
> the listeners have to download the (Thompsons MP3pro plug
> in), and they have to be using (WINAMP ONLY) in order for
> mp3 pro to work. The aac mp4 format is pretty good though,
> and you dont need a special plugin for it to work, listeners
> need only the lastest versions of Real one, ITUNES or Winamp
> to listen.
>

 

[midwestclubber]

> I'm on a 4 year old AMD 1 GHz. Win 2K, SP 4, Winamp running
> right now with MP3 Pro. It's using 9 MB of RAM. CPU time
> is very low. It's not that much of a hog, and I'd figure
> much of society has a faster computer than this old crate.
>
> > > Man, that is an old computer. Mp3 pro doesnt slow me down either, but Ive heard people post HERE, and claim that it does.
> > The only way to get a 48k stream anywhere close to 128k is
>
> > using aac format, or possibly using mp3pro, but alot of
> > people dont like using mp3 pro because it makes older
> > computers run slow, and most players dont support mp3 pro,
>
> > the listeners have to download the (Thompsons MP3pro plug
> > in), and they have to be using (WINAMP ONLY) in order for
> > mp3 pro to work. The aac mp4 format is pretty good
> though,
> > and you dont need a special plugin for it to work,
> listeners
> > need only the lastest versions of Real one, ITUNES or
> Winamp
> > to listen.
> >
>

 

[musicloverII]

Wrong

> > 48k stream that rivals 128k?
> > Please clue me in to this.
> >
> > or point me in the right direction, Id love to do 48k,
> > sounding like 128k.
> > then I wouldn't have to close out my dial-up listeners.
> > not that I really had any dial-up listeners, the few that
> > listen seem to be on cable and dsl.
> > and to the few that listen, Thanks, I hope you enjoy what
> > you hear.
> >
> The only way to get a 48k stream anywhere close to 128k is
> using aac format, or possibly using mp3pro, but alot of
> people dont like using mp3 pro because it makes older
> computers run slow, and most players dont support mp3 pro,
> the listeners have to download the (Thompsons MP3pro plug
> in), and they have to be using (WINAMP ONLY) in order for
> mp3 pro to work. The aac mp4 format is pretty good though,
> and you dont need a special plugin for it to work, listeners
> need only the lastest versions of Real one, ITUNES or Winamp
> to listen.
>

 

[islanddxer]

Makradio

> > This guy is just mean!
> > Take a look at most of his postings.
> > he loves to cut people down.
> >
> > I know I shouldn't get mad at people like this.
> > they have there problems.
> >
> > and yes, I probably have a lot to learn about proper board
>
> > ettiquette
> >
>
> He is the admin for Radio-Info and runs a dance station over
> the internet that peaks at like 10 listeners... so i would
> be very careful of upsetting this dude. LOL
>

Yeah I used to listen to Makradio's Pulse channel. Not anymore. After weeks of the stream not working I gave up. And to think I was paying for that (as a Makpass subscriber, since they shifted all the decent quality streams over to payradio).
Makradio has alot of disgruntled listeners right now because of various tech issues, some have already gave up.
I posted about the various Makradio issues here but my posts mysteriously dissapeared. The moderators shouldn't be censoring posts just because they personally don't agree with them.
Internet radio should be free, otherwise it just won't work. Of course I dont know the full story on what's going on at The Pulse. But there's many other free internet streams, of high quality, that have good dance formats such as Mikeo's Energy 98. The site it's hosted on, 202.fm, has many other awesome channels as well. All free. Unlike Makradio's grand total of only 4.

 

[islanddxer]

> > I Only Posted on the Appropriate format Boards.
> > Since I play everything from Dance to rock to whatever.
> > You Don't have a "Jack" Board.
>
> We do not permit posts across multiple boards...regardless
> of what you think you did, that's what our policy is and
> that's what was done. The jack board is here:
> http://www.radio-info.com/mods/posts?Board=variety
>
> > by the way, whats your stations URL?
> > I would love to hear, what you can do.
>
> I don't have a station.
>

What happened to Makradio Pulse? Didn't you used to be in charge of that once awesome station?

 

[islanddxer]

Reminds me of WLIR 92.7

> http://k-bear101.tripod.com
>
> Id Post the playlist, but nobody has time to read a book
> right now )
> whats really cool, is to see where listeners are tuning in
> from.
>
> not many at one time, but I get some every now and then and
> they listen for hours.
> and they are return listeners, guess thats a good sign.
>
> So How does everyone like the new "Higher Bandwith" sound,
> its almost like FM.
>
> give me some feedback.
>
> Oh, we also tend to be leaning a bit more rockish as of
> late, still doing dance though.
> I finally got my entire collection uploaded, so it leans
> more towards rock now.
> But I will keep it updated and fresh with all my favorite
> dance tracks too.

I think it sounds pretty good music-wise, reminds me alot of WLIR (when it was on 92.7) with the emphasis on alternative dance music.

 

[midwestclubber]

Re: 1CFM, and CDR<<-----------

> > > This guy is just mean!
> > > Take a look at most of his postings.
> > > he loves to cut people down.
> > >
> > > I know I shouldn't get mad at people like this.
> > > they have there problems.
> > >
> > > and yes, I probably have a lot to learn about proper
> board
> >
> > > ettiquette
> > >
> >
> > He is the admin for Radio-Info and runs a dance station
> over
> > the internet that peaks at like 10 listeners... so i would
>
> > be very careful of upsetting this dude. LOL
> >
>
> Yeah I used to listen to Makradio's Pulse channel. Not
> anymore. After weeks of the stream not working I gave up.
> And to think I was paying for that (as a Makpass subscriber,
> since they shifted all the decent quality streams over to
> payradio).
> Makradio has alot of disgruntled listeners right now because
> of various tech issues, some have already gave up.
> I posted about the various Makradio issues here but my posts
> mysteriously dissapeared. The moderators shouldn't be
> censoring posts just because they personally don't agree
> with them.
> Internet radio should be free, otherwise it just won't work.
> Of course I dont know the full story on what's going on at
> The Pulse. But there's many other free internet streams, of
> high quality, that have good dance formats such as Mikeo's
> Energy 98. The site it's hosted on, 202.fm, has many other
> awesome channels as well. All free. Unlike Makradio's grand
> total of only 4.
>
Why should the high quality streams always be free? It costs the broadcasters alot of money to pay for all the bandwidth that people hog. Besides that, their needs to be a way to make internet radio profitable for broadcasters. This would make more people want to run net stations, and also put more Net stations online, while increasing the amount of 56, 64, 96k whatever streams for the listeners, and gives the broadcasters a reason to keep the station online, so it works out well for everyone. You pay for Cable T.V,,, (RIGHT),,,,,,pay extra for (HBO) ect ect.. www.1club.fm and www.clubnetradio.com are both very reasonable, thats cheaper than a Whopper at Burger King.

 

[islanddxer]

Re: Makradio

> Why should the high quality streams always be free? It
> costs the broadcasters alot of money to pay for all the
> bandwidth that people hog. Besides that, their needs to be
> a way to make internet radio profitable for broadcasters.
> This would make more people want to run net stations, and
> also put more Net stations online, while increasing the
> amount of 56, 64, 96k whatever streams for the listeners,
> and gives the broadcasters a reason to keep the station
> online, so it works out well for everyone. You pay for
> Cable T.V,,, (RIGHT),,,,,,pay extra for (HBO) ect ect..
> Whats the difference? Of course Mak Radio does tend to
> charge an arm and a leg, for what you get in return.
> However www.1club.fm and www.clubnetradio.com are both very
> reasonable, thats cheaper than a Whopper at Burger King.

Yeah I understand all that, but Makradio just isn't worth paying for. 1club.fm and clubnetradio.com have alot more to offer, 15 channels at half that price of what Makradio wants. I wasn't that annoyed about paying for Makradio until the problems began. They were offering exactly what they were offering before they went subscription. That wasn't a good business strategy to keep customers. Now, if they had added new channels and a decent website, they would have done better.
Also can't having advertizers on the web site or using an embedded player work to make profits?

>

 

[clubfm]

Re: Makradio

> > Why should the high quality streams always be free? It
> > costs the broadcasters alot of money to pay for all the
> > bandwidth that people hog. Besides that, their needs to
> be
> > a way to make internet radio profitable for broadcasters.
>
> > This would make more people want to run net stations, and
> > also put more Net stations online, while increasing the
> > amount of 56, 64, 96k whatever streams for the listeners,
> > and gives the broadcasters a reason to keep the station
> > online, so it works out well for everyone. You pay for
> > Cable T.V,,, (RIGHT),,,,,,pay extra for (HBO) ect ect..
> > Whats the difference? Of course Mak Radio does tend to
> > charge an arm and a leg, for what you get in return.
> > However www.1club.fm and www.clubnetradio.com are both
> very
> > reasonable, thats cheaper than a Whopper at Burger King.
>
> Yeah I understand all that, but Makradio just isn't worth
> paying for. 1club.fm and clubnetradio.com have alot more to
> offer, 15 channels at half that price of what Makradio
> wants. I wasn't that annoyed about paying for Makradio until
> the problems began. They were offering exactly what they
> were offering before they went subscription. That wasn't a
> good business strategy to keep customers. Now, if they had
> added new channels and a decent website, they would have
> done better.
> Also can't having advertizers on the web site or using an
> embedded player work to make profits?
>
> >
>

We are actually about to offer all of our channels in 128k for free.... in Shoutcast/Itunes, Real, and P2Go (Mobile devices). It is expensive, but we target the at work crowd... and people sitting at work would rather stream a 32k stream, then get in trouble streaming a 128k stream off company bandwidth... plus.. not many people at work have a massive surround sound speaker system.. so the 32k sound quality is just as good as 128k on people's work computers... so there is not really a big demand for 128k streaming.. but we are going to offer it anyways for the users at home.

As much as embedded players suck.. they are essential to stay alive in net radio.

For the stations on Shoutcast that have 5-10,000 listeners... 1) those numbers are bogus... 2) AOL supplies ALL of the bandwidth for the stations on the first page of their directory FOR FREE... when AOL pulls the plug with their free bandwidth handouts... 90% of those stations will have to close down. THIS IS WHY LISTENERS THINK THAT INTERNET RADIO IS SO CHEAP AND EASY. When in fact, its a lot harder and more expensive than most people could ever imagine.

Most FM people think that net radio stations are a joke.. excuse me.. let me rephase that.. All FM radio people think that running a net radio station is a joke... but I dont know many radio people that know about the technical issues of web hosting.. the tech issues of streaming... promoting... and building.. and running... and maintaining a website.. while trying to run a station at the same time... while trying to compete with 100,000+ stations from all over the world competiting for the same listeners.

The easy way for listeners to have a solution for everything.. they always say "Ill donate each month"... (which is BS)... or, "Get some advertisers"... (which is very difficult to get advertisers because RADIO falls under an ENTERTAINMENT site.. and their are MILLIONS of Entertainment sites in the world... so advertisers could careless if a site is a radio station or an "E! Entertainment site" - (they are going to get their click thrus no matter what).. or "Get on-air ads"... (but when this happens.... everyone complains)... so pretty much all of the funds comes from the station's pocket.

<P ID="signature">______________
www.1Club.FM INTERNET RADIO STATION
30 Channels... 1 Club DOT FM</P></P>

 

[islanddxer]

Re: Makradio

> > > Why should the high quality streams always be free? It
> > > costs the broadcasters alot of money to pay for all the
> > > bandwidth that people hog. Besides that, their needs to
>
> > be
> > > a way to make internet radio profitable for
> broadcasters.
> >
> > > This would make more people want to run net stations,
> and
> > > also put more Net stations online, while increasing the
> > > amount of 56, 64, 96k whatever streams for the
> listeners,
> > > and gives the broadcasters a reason to keep the station
> > > online, so it works out well for everyone. You pay for
> > > Cable T.V,,, (RIGHT),,,,,,pay extra for (HBO) ect ect..
>
> > > Whats the difference? Of course Mak Radio does tend to
>
> > > charge an arm and a leg, for what you get in return.
> > > However www.1club.fm and www.clubnetradio.com are both
> > very
> > > reasonable, thats cheaper than a Whopper at Burger King.
>
> >
> > Yeah I understand all that, but Makradio just isn't worth
> > paying for. 1club.fm and clubnetradio.com have alot more
> to
> > offer, 15 channels at half that price of what Makradio
> > wants. I wasn't that annoyed about paying for Makradio
> until
> > the problems began. They were offering exactly what they
> > were offering before they went subscription. That wasn't a
>
> > good business strategy to keep customers. Now, if they had
>
> > added new channels and a decent website, they would have
> > done better.
> > Also can't having advertizers on the web site or using an
> > embedded player work to make profits?
> >
> > >
> >
>
> We are actually about to offer all of our channels in 128k
> for free.... in Shoutcast/Itunes, Real, and P2Go (Mobile
> devices). It is expensive, but we target the at work
> crowd... and people sitting at work would rather stream a
> 32k stream, then get in trouble streaming a 128k stream off
> company bandwidth... plus.. not many people at work have a
> massive surround sound speaker system.. so the 32k sound
> quality is just as good as 128k on people's work
> computers... so there is not really a big demand for 128k
> streaming.. but we are going to offer it anyways for the
> users at home.
>
> As much as embedded players suck.. they are essential to
> stay alive in net radio.
>
> For the stations on Shoutcast that have 5-10,000
> listeners... 1) those numbers are bogus... 2) AOL supplies
> ALL of the bandwidth for the stations on the first page of
> their directory FOR FREE... when AOL pulls the plug with
> their free bandwidth handouts... 90% of those stations will
> have to close down. THIS IS WHY LISTENERS THINK THAT
> INTERNET RADIO IS SO CHEAP AND EASY. When in fact, its a lot
> harder and more expensive than most people could ever
> imagine.
>
> Most FM people think that net radio stations are a joke..
> excuse me.. let me rephase that.. All FM radio people think
> that running a net radio station is a joke... but I dont
> know many radio people that know about the technical issues
> of web hosting.. the tech issues of streaming...
> promoting... and building.. and running... and maintaining a
> website.. while trying to run a station at the same time...
> while trying to compete with 100,000+ stations from all over
> the world competiting for the same listeners.
>
> The easy way for listeners to have a solution for
> everything.. they always say "Ill donate each month"...
> (which is BS)... or, "Get some advertisers"... (which is
> very difficult to get advertisers because RADIO falls under
> an ENTERTAINMENT site.. and their are MILLIONS of
> Entertainment sites in the world... so advertisers could
> careless if a site is a radio station or an "E!
> Entertainment site" - (they are going to get their click
> thrus no matter what).. or "Get on-air ads"... (but when
> this happens.... everyone complains)... so pretty much all
> of the funds comes from the station's pocket.
>

BTW your streams at 1club.fm are awesome. Definately worth paying for! Once net streaming becomes more portable, Sirius, XM, and FM radio better watch out! Even better than 202.fm.