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100.3 The Beat flipping?

KDM.. As just an American, you hit it well.. Times ebb and flow.. As we go... So does our radio.... Good expose on the hit radio industry..

"Skip" who still thinks radio has some hippness left..



KDM 7000 said:
Mike said:
im wondering does the NAACP of st louis go after clear channel of st louis for blowing up 100.3 the beat ?

As an African American (let me make that clear so no one can can try to jump to conclusions, blame anyone, or make assumptions if they don't like or don't wish to believe what I'm about to say), and my first time posting in this section, I'll just say what I've been saying in many other portions of the board. As a matter of fact, I've said enough to the point where I don't have to talk about the hip hop phase and time in music is currently coming to a close, I can just copy and paste!!!

KDM 7000 said:
MUSIC FORMATS / TRENDS
Lastly, as my first post in the Nevada section, I want to point something out that most people fail to recognize or notice. Times change, and so do trends. With each generation, things come and go. Whenever something else "dies", there is always something else.. the next big thing to take its place. This also tends to happen in music. Notice the phases we've been through so far; Blues, Jazz, Rock n Roll, Disco, the short lived multiple boy/girl band pop group...etc phases. This all came before the hip hop generation (who have NOW become the parents and are a part of a generation / trend that is CURRENTLY COMING TO A CLOSE)! So of course, as the hip hop generation or time period comes to a close, urban (or urban sounding) formats that don't adapt to the change will begin to suffer, unless they take action and change with the times (without waiting for everyone else to do it first). Saying that the hip hop generation is coming to a close DOES NOT mean hip hop is dead and that you wont hear any more hip hop hits, it just means that that sound is no longer what's dominating the charts. We are currently in a transitional phase, where we are in between a past generation sound and the "next big thing" to come in music, so of course top 40 and rhythmic will do well because they play the hits, and whether or not people know what the next big sound in music will be, it's guaranteed that whatever it is, it will become the hits. So, in conclusion, hip hop, just like every other phase and generation sound in music has or will eventually do, is currently coming to a close. Even the artists themselves see this, which explains why many of them are abandoning "their genre" and changing with the times. So unless you are in denial and are considering rapping or singing on house and electronic beats a "new style of hip hop", you'll see that hip hop has already passed its peak and had its time. "We" had a good run, which we should be happy about to be a huge part in music history, but all things must change and we move on. Something new is on the way, so get ready and prepare yourself as the next generation of sound comes.

At some point, hip hoppers will be able to enjoy their generation through the form of CLASSIC hip hop (hint hint), the same way classic rockers did (and continue to do) once the rock & roll era came to an end. Top 40 and rhythmic formats will always be moving on and changing with the times, and whatever formats that cater specifically or mainly to whatever the big sound of a certain era is will always begin to struggle to some degree once that era of sound is "over" (with exception to a few markets that heavily thrive upon that sound due to demographics). Do you remember what top 40 sounded like just 15 - 20 years ago today? COMPLETELY different from now! Well, we're currently transitioning once again... just wait and see what 2015-2020 will sound like, on whatever you are listening to music on at the time.

Whatever KVEG is doing to change with the times that seems odd now, it's because they see what's happening, and want to adapt before it becomes too late. Soon, if not already, you'll begin to notice mid to late 90's and early 2000's hip hop dominating old school / back in the day mix shows (the same way dance, freestyle, and some retro did while hip hop was taking over) as the next big sound is played in regular rotation.

Yes, I know that that is geared towards the Nevada section, but you get the idea. Now, me saying that rock n roll generation has already passed, that doesn't mean i'm
A. Knocking the rock / alternative format, or
B. Saying there is no more room for a current version of that sound in 2009.

But I'll just say this: Everyone knows that top 40 / rhythmic (not urban..jazz..spanish top 40..etc) is the big thing today, and what's great about top 40 is that all the people who are afraid to acknowledge the fact that we're going towards an electronic / dance sound and trend can benefit by covering it all up by calling it all "top 40 / pop hits".
 
jinglemaker said:
New PD has been hired and starts next week.

Look for top 40

Obviously, you aren't too familiar with the radio here...100.3 is Co-Owned with 100kW CHR Z 107-7...The Sound IS the new format... :-\
 
mbatchelor said:
jinglemaker said:
New PD has been hired and starts next week.

Look for top 40

Obviously, you aren't too familiar with the radio here...100.3 is Co-Owned with 100kW CHR Z 107-7...The Sound IS the new format... :-\
LOL Yeah Why would 100.3 which is co-owned with 107.7 Canibalize its own sister station. someone needs to get his company owners right lol
 
More 18 to 34 NewRock-Pop Leaning CHR would not pull from a Churban CHR...
 
History is amazing aint it? Once the top Urban station, it shows what happens when you don't invest in a product and just keep cutting corners until you just don't care no more.

Story telling......
Disclaimer: All statments are fictional dialogue, based on true events. [lol]

Jacor - to - Clear Channel vs. R1
:The StL Urban radio wars:

1997...... Majic 108 KMJM.... Hey guys, are we crazy? That signal is way too powerful to be an Urban mainstream. How about making a pop station on 107.7 so it can bill better and put the Hip Hop on 104.9 as Majic 105. But why would we do that? Look at how other stations with huge signals do great in other markets? WJLB, WGCI, WVEE. Yea, but I don't have so much confidence in the format, we could sell easier as Z107.7.

That's fine, but the 104.9 signal doesn't hit the south and west that good.... alot of static, and has trouble gettin through the buildings downtown so folks can't listen easy at work. Yes but it's ok because we're the only Urban in town so who cares right?!

2000... Hey, I heard rumors of a new player in town, looks like we gotta do something so we can stay on top of our game. How about make Majic 105 Urban AC as Majic 104.9 and we create a completely new Hip Hop station to super-serve the market! Lets call it 100.3 The Beat. Better signal, better billing, better ratings! No problem!

Along comes Q95-5 let the Urban radio wars begin!!!

Ooops, one year into the war, we realize that Tom Joyner isn't Hip Hop, so let's move him to Majic 104.9, duh. A local morning show that is format specific is better than Russ Parr so we can have the urban city on lock! Now we're winning the war against Q95-5 WFUN! Their numbers are constantly lower than ours!

2005.... HEY!! Great news guys, WFUN gave up! 1003. The Beat WINS!! WE WIN THE URBAN WAR! WFUN Q95-5 is now Urban AC Foxy 95-5. Once again we are the ONLY urban in town!!

Media reports outrage:
CRIES CRIES CRIES PROTEST BRING BACK Q95-5 !!! IT WAS THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY STATION !!******HELP*****!! HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO US!!
(Sorry, we at Radio One wanted to stay Hip Hop in STL, but can't do a CC mistake after stealing Tom Joyner and put his Urban AC morning show on Q95-5 a Hip Hop station.. that wouldn't work right.) Just wait great city, Radio One Hip Hop will "live" once again we promise!

CC saga continues....
Well, with no more competition, we can cut our budget and start getting "cheap" with The Beat again... Sorry local Hip Hop-oriented morning show, we have to Dee-Lee(t) all of you only after a short run because there's no point to be local anymore since there's no competition!! Make sense?? It's all budget-cutting, that's the biz ;-)

Plus we gotta bring in sleepy, Urban "AC" Steve Harvey to show non-CC stations that it can work on Urban mainstream formats and sucker them into a contract! And it was working! To name a few, just look at WJHM, WCZQ, WBTF, KPRS, KHTE... oh crap Hot 96-5 don't exist no more because who would listen to a Hip Hop station with sleepy Steve in the AM! But it works in OUR favor in Macon GA because we have Rickey Smiley on WIBB and our competitor WLZN has OUR STEVE! So we're pimping Cumulus not only in a wrong format morning show and getting paid on that, but we have Hip Hop in the AM and better billing and ratings! Oh, sorry, we were ranting. Back to St Louis......

Steve's "advertiser friendly," and won't scare us like Star & Buckwild. See, we really don't care about format compatability, or for that matter even care to be knowledgeable about the Urban format. Urban.. Urban AC.. its all the same right?!?!? And besides, where else will the listeners tune to in the morning? HAHAHA we have Urban AC on both morning shows in STL on 100.3 and 1049 and we dont care!

2006.....
Uh oh guys, the market just got Hot on 104.1 and they say Where Hip Hop Lives.. its in their call letters even WHHL! What are we going to do?? I dunno, we already won the Urban war a few years ago against R1, and we're still on top. I really don't think they are much of a threat. Why invest in the Beat anyway, the economy isn't that good, we couldn't bring in another local morning show, our budget is strapped. But if we continue with Steve Harvey, most of our Hip Hop listeners will go to Hot 1041! It's okay, I'm really getting sick of this back and forth with the Beat. How about we just maintain being cheap, pretty soon we will be going VT'd on overnights with I heart radio anyways right? True. And DejaVu been middays tracked for years right? Listeners really don't know the difference, we've been short-changing them for years! YOU'RE RIGHT!!

2009....
Wow guys, do you see the numbers of WHHL? Yeh they really made their programming HOT didn't they and been whuppin us... What should we do with The Beat? Ah, its been 10 years, I really am sick of it. Yea, I mean who really listens to our station anyway, we made it super-generic overall. Even though some of the personalities put up with our crap all these years and still tried to make it a good station, I just don't feel like investing in it any longer. Yeh but that's the biz aint it? Of course it is! Haha we've milked the cow enough, its really getting dry. We've cut all the corners we can without becoming fully automated. FULLY AUTOMATED? Great idea!! We can move the beat to 100.3 HD-2! That way the city really can't complain that the station is "gone" haha.

What do we do about Steve Harvey. Well, the only smart thing is to move him to Majic 104.9 where he belonged all along. But why didn't we do that in the first place? Well because Tony Scott was doing good! Um yea, but now he will still have to be moved. And having sleepy Steve on the Beat cost us as we went up against Hot 104.1 in the morning didn't it? If it was inevitable that Steve was going to be put on Majic , why didn't we just...... do it.............ear-li-er................... Shut up shut up what's done is done dummy! Coulda-woulda-shoulda, you know we didn't want to invest in the Beat any longer!

So what now? Um, what else! If we turn 100.3 into a easy white female format and make an actual investment into it like we once did at the beginning of the Beat days we could have a good product huh? Oh of course, if you invest a little bit into something, then you reap the benefits! If you give up, then it sinks, just look at how we destroyed the Beat!

You're right, and besides, It won't be the first time this city only had one Urban station; the competition can HAVE it. They claim to be "urban specialists" right? Well that's what they say, but the station does sound better than what we've been doing for months on the Beat. I just wonder if the only Urban in town will end up getting cheaper in the future like we did. Who cares, we're listening to a new "SOUND!"
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Sid, is that you?

Word! said:
History is amazing aint it? Once the top Urban station, it shows what happens when you don't invest in a product and just keep cutting corners until you just don't care no more.

Story telling......
Disclaimer: All statments are fictional dialogue, based on true events. [lol]

Jacor - to - Clear Channel vs. R1
:The StL Urban radio wars:

1997...... Majic 108 KMJM.... Hey guys, are we crazy? That signal is way too powerful to be an Urban mainstream. How about making a pop station on 107.7 so it can bill better and put the Hip Hop on 104.9 as Majic 105. But why would we do that? Look at how other stations with huge signals do great in other markets? WJLB, WGCI, WVEE. Yea, but I don't have so much confidence in the format, we could sell easier as Z107.7.

That's fine, but the 104.9 signal doesn't hit the south and west that good.... alot of static, and has trouble gettin through the buildings downtown so folks can't listen easy at work. Yes but it's ok because we're the only Urban in town so who cares right?!

2000... Hey, I heard rumors of a new player in town, looks like we gotta do something so we can stay on top of our game. How about make Majic 105 Urban AC as Majic 104.9 and we create a completely new Hip Hop station to super-serve the market! Lets call it 100.3 The Beat. Better signal, better billing, better ratings! No problem!

Along comes Q95-5 let the Urban radio wars begin!!!

Ooops, one year into the war, we realize that Tom Joyner isn't Hip Hop, so let's move him to Majic 104.9, duh. A local morning show that is format specific is better than Russ Parr so we can have the urban city on lock! Now we're winning the war against Q95-5 WFUN! Their numbers are constantly lower than ours!

2005.... HEY!! Great news guys, WFUN gave up! 1003. The Beat WINS!! WE WIN THE URBAN WAR! WFUN Q95-5 is now Urban AC Foxy 95-5. Once again we are the ONLY urban in town!!

Media reports outrage:
CRIES CRIES CRIES PROTEST BRING BACK Q95-5 !!! IT WAS THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY STATION !!******HELP*****!! HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO US!!
(Sorry, we at Radio One wanted to stay Hip Hop in STL, but can't do a CC mistake after stealing Tom Joyner and put his Urban AC morning show on Q95-5 a Hip Hop station.. that wouldn't work right.) Just wait great city, Radio One Hip Hop will "live" once again we promise!

CC saga continues....
Well, with no more competition, we can cut our budget and start getting "cheap" with The Beat again... Sorry local Hip Hop-oriented morning show, we have to Dee-Lee(t) all of you only after a short run because there's no point to be local anymore since there's no competition!! Make sense?? It's all budget-cutting, that's the biz ;-)

Plus we gotta bring in sleepy, Urban "AC" Steve Harvey to show non-CC stations that it can work on Urban mainstream formats and sucker them into a contract! And it was working! To name a few, just look at WJHM, WCZQ, WBTF, KPRS, KHTE... oh crap Hot 96-5 don't exist no more because who would listen to a Hip Hop station with sleepy Steve in the AM! But it works in OUR favor in Macon GA because we have Rickey Smiley on WIBB and our competitor WLZN has OUR STEVE! So we're pimping Cumulus not only in a wrong format morning show and getting paid on that, but we have Hip Hop in the AM and better billing and ratings! Oh, sorry, we were ranting. Back to St Louis......

Steve's "advertiser friendly," and won't scare us like Star & Buckwild. See, we really don't care about format compatability, or for that matter even care to be knowledgeable about the Urban format. Urban.. Urban AC.. its all the same right?!?!? And besides, where else will the listeners tune to in the morning? HAHAHA we have Urban AC on both morning shows in STL on 100.3 and 1049 and we dont care!

2006.....
Uh oh guys, the market just got Hot on 104.1 and they say Where Hip Hop Lives.. its in their call letters even WHHL! What are we going to do?? I dunno, we already won the Urban war a few years ago against R1, and we're still on top. I really don't think they are much of a threat. Why invest in the Beat anyway, the economy isn't that good, we couldn't bring in another local morning show, our budget is strapped. But if we continue with Steve Harvey, most of our Hip Hop listeners will go to Hot 1041! It's okay, I'm really getting sick of this back and forth with the Beat. How about we just maintain being cheap, pretty soon we will be going VT'd on overnights with I heart radio anyways right? True. And DejaVu been middays tracked for years right? Listeners really don't know the difference, we've been short-changing them for years! YOU'RE RIGHT!!

2009....
Wow guys, do you see the numbers of WHHL? Yeh they really made their programming HOT didn't they and been whuppin us... What should we do with The Beat? Ah, its been 10 years, I really am sick of it. Yea, I mean who really listens to our station anyway, we made it super-generic overall. Even though some of the personalities put up with our crap all these years and still tried to make it a good station, I just don't feel like investing in it any longer. Yeh but that's the biz aint it? Of course it is! Haha we've milked the cow enough, its really getting dry. We've cut all the corners we can without becoming fully automated. FULLY AUTOMATED? Great idea!! We can move the beat to 100.3 HD-2! That way the city really can't complain that the station is "gone" haha.

What do we do about Steve Harvey. Well, the only smart thing is to move him to Majic 104.9 where he belonged all along. But why didn't we do that in the first place? Well because Tony Scott was doing good! Um yea, but now he will still have to be moved. And having sleepy Steve on the Beat cost us as we went up against Hot 104.1 in the morning didn't it? If it was inevitable that Steve was going to be put on Majic , why didn't we just...... do it.............ear-li-er................... Shut up shut up what's done is done dummy! Coulda-woulda-shoulda, you know we didn't want to invest in the Beat any longer!

So what now? Um, what else! If we turn 100.3 into a easy white female format and make an actual investment into it like we once did at the beginning of the Beat days we could have a good product huh? Oh of course, if you invest a little bit into something, then you reap the benefits! If you give up, then it sinks, just look at how we destroyed the Beat!

You're right, and besides, It won't be the first time this city only had one Urban station; the competition can HAVE it. They claim to be "urban specialists" right? Well that's what they say, but the station does sound better than what we've been doing for months on the Beat. I just wonder if the only Urban in town will end up getting cheaper in the future like we did. Who cares, we're listening to a new "SOUND!"
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Hey what about KMJM vs. WFUN? ........................................................................................................................













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