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100.3 The Sound?

SuperRadioFan said:
DavidEduardo said:
SuperRadioFan said:
Tibbs, I think the clients will be loyal if the listeners are. This is a format as we all know that thrives on TSL, and with high TSL, ...

The PPM, coming in October, is very cume based. Long TSL, low cume stations find themselves killed.
Yes David we both know that AAA isn't going to get the #s in the LA market. Way to diss my point in the rest of my sentence.. Oh that's right "Oh Wow" means nothing to bean counters!! ::)
Unfortunately, "oh wow" is only once removed from "oh, god." The PPM is very fault-intolerant and many programmers will be programming minute by minute to the extent of the PPM granularity rather than looking at things that have to do with the overall feel of a station. The mantra as we approach PPM is that of "make no mistakes."

I can see many programmers in their safron robes chanting, "Ummmmmmmmmmm. No mistakes. Ummmmmmmm no faults. Ummmmmmmmmmm no negatives." And they will make very bland stations that are uninviting.

A reaction I have heard, widely, to the study on Limbaugh's ups and downs in his daily show, is that he should eliminate the negative stuff. The thing is, that "negative" stuff is vital to the whole show... to the set up for topics, to the ability of listners who tune in part way through to understand the context and similar things. You can't always disect the pieces of a show... they are part of a whole.
 
I'm not in the radio business like David so perhaps I can present a different perspective. I live in a top 50 market where there most of the audience is "owned" by two large national groups. Both groups have essentially the same portfolio of formats, a urban skewing kid's station, a pickem' up truck country, a soccer mom softee, and the station that still thinks "Boston" is the most important music ever produced.


I'm sure the turnstile sales staff is "trained" to sell "run of stations" because the same clients are represented on all stations. It sounds like the 80/20 rule is in full force, 80% of the revenue comes from 20% of the client base. The indentity of the individual stations is not important. One group has the dominant country, while the other has the dominant softee. So 25-49 women's cume and TSL per group is probably a wash. I'm sure there's a lot of button mashing, because my wife, a typical terrestrial listener, looks for songs she likes on the six buttons in "FM preset layer one" of the in dash. She could NOT tell you what stations are actually programmed to those buttons, other than maybe 101 or 94.7. She will never actually hear a commercial. If it's on at work, it's background clutter.

Stations with high TSL make more sense to me because there actually is some attention paid to the non music part of the presentation. There may not be as many "impressions", but the impressions that are made are valid. I still believe in stations like KPIG that build a commitee of loyal listeners. These listeners are much more likely to visit an advertiser, because they are part of that community. It would be VERY interesting to see some real research on the effectiveness of advertising dollars spent, in other words, real "return on investment". Radio seems to be so focused on big raw numbers that the true value of those numbers is lost in the background noise.

The point is this....there is "audience", and then there are "listeners", and they are NOT the same thing. Radio needs to realize that, because they can more effectively serve their client base by delivering what the cleint REALLY wants, qualified BUYERS.

"The Sound" will reach listeners that no other station reaches, and while it will never be a ratings juggernaut still has a valid place on the dial. But the egomania that dictates decision making in the radio industry will never allow it to survive. KFOG and WXRT could not be launched in today's world. They would have a two year run at best before the "flippers" got a hold of them. Same thing will happen with "The Sound". Too bad.

Just my cynical rant ;) ;) ;)
 
But outsider indie103.1 is still around after over 4 years and they are very much a niche audience and the sound is more mass appeal then indie so the sound may last longer then anyone thinks. I never thought indie would still be around ;D ;D ;D
 
I don't know anything about indie103, but I suspect it in NOT owned by one of the big five conglomerates, and is testimony that you CAN survive with a loyal listenership. And because it is a small signal, it cannot compete with the BIG guys for the MASS audience, so it HAS to go for a niche. Oh how I long for the days of 5-5-5 and 7-7-7. But that was long ago.
 
outsider said:
I don't know anything about indie103, but I suspect it in NOT owned by one of the big five conglomerates, and is testimony that you CAN survive with a loyal listenership. And because it is a small signal, it cannot compete with the BIG guys for the MASS audience, so it HAS to go for a niche. Oh how I long for the days of 5-5-5 and 7-7-7. But that was long ago.

"Big 5" is a term I have never heard. And as to being a "conglomerate" only CBS approaches that and it is more like "diversified" than a conglomerage... a conglomerate is a company like GE with a big foot print in multiple industries. All the top owners of radio are focused in advertising and communications, so they are hardly conglomerates. There never was a 5-5-5 period. There was a 7-7-5 for VHF TV at 5 markets, with 2 U's being added later. But from the time duopoly was eliminated after the War (KECA and KFI, Ano Bulova's NY duopoly, etc) the limit was 7-7 for radio.
 
You're right. 7/7/5+2. Like I said, I'm only a casual observer, not an industry insider. "Conglomerate" was a poor choice of words. Maybe "cluster****" would be a better description. Radio has for the most part become simply dreadful regardless.
 
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