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103.1 Signals

R

radioresearcher

I know the last thing we probably need is a new thread about the 103.1's but here it is.

The signals have their limitations as we all know. K.M. has repeated that basically a 1 share or so is their limit. Therefore, the fact that they currently have around a 1 share should be deemed a success. The 25-54 numbers and 18-34 of course mean more - and Indie does moderately well there - again - about as good as one would likely expect with their coverage.

At this point, Entravision would devalue the stations by flipping the format. They need to continue to try and grow it and increase the revenue. My belief is they can likely bill $11-$12 million (maybe in 2 years) if they can stay around a 1-1.2 share 12+ and decent 18-34 and 25-54 results for their signal.

It's unfair to compare Class A's to Class B's. The two Class A's that perform "well" in the ratings - "K-Buena" and "Recuerdo" - are both on multiple signals that give them better coverage - although they are well programmed stations IMHO - that cater to a specific target - although KBUE does do well on 105.5 alone. But if "Recuerdo" were only on 103.9 or 98.3 my guess is we'd probably see about 60% of the ratings (David could answer that better).

I would be remiss if I didn't mention KSSE - which has also done well - although they have a very nice tower location near Mt. Wilson which gives them good coverage of the metro (again though, unique targeted format).

Also, IMHO - the signals were good for dance - and they good for an upscale Anglo format - which is what they have now.

Honestly, with little marketing - I think the ratings they have at Indie right now are not bad. Surely more impressive than Class B's pulling under a 2.0 share - and there are currently five of them (although expect KXOL to go over real quickly).
 
Indie

"1 share should be deemed a success"? Man, most stations would be firing GMs
and flipping formats if they were #29 in the market.

Indie is a "critical" favorite-- the insiders love it. But in today's radio world, Arbitron votes and advertiser revenue are how stations' success is meatured.
>
> The signals have their limitations as we all know. K.M. has
> repeated that basically a 1 share or so is their limit.
> Therefore, the fact that they currently have around a 1
> share should be deemed a success. The 25-54 numbers and
> 18-34 of course mean more - and Indie does moderately well
> there - again - about as good as one would likely expect
> with their coverage.
 
Re: Indie

> "1 share should be deemed a success"? Man, most stations
> would be firing GMs
> and flipping formats if they were #29 in the market.
>
> Indie is a "critical" favorite-- the insiders love it. But
> in today's radio world, Arbitron votes and advertiser
> revenue are how stations' success is meatured.
> >
> > The signals have their limitations as we all know. K.M.
> has
> > repeated that basically a 1 share or so is their limit.
> > Therefore, the fact that they currently have around a 1
> > share should be deemed a success. The 25-54 numbers and
> > 18-34 of course mean more - and Indie does moderately well
>
> > there - again - about as good as one would likely expect
> > with their coverage.
>
Realistically, with their coverage area, how much above a 1.0 share can they get - and if they did another format - would it have the qualitative? Revenue is definitely critical - but the 12+ rank means nothing - no one buys it, no one cares. But, maybe a better phrase is - moderately successful - although that share will need to continue over 4-6 books.

I'd rather be No. 1 25-54 and No. 6 12+ than vice versa.

It's all about demo. KNX has a under a 2.0 share - and they have 20 units/hour and a targeted format -they will bill north of $40 million. I'd take that $40 million/year all day ... KLSX has slid to just north of a 2.0 share and will probably do $45-$50 million and they rank 16th 12+... Is that not successful? I think they have been.

There are also stations getting 2.0 share + - that underachieve in revenue.

I think people need to stop using 12+ Arbitron numbers to judge a stations success should also consider BIA and cash flow to judge -- because that is what makes a station a winner in the real world.

Every situation on every signal is different - depending on debt service, signal, demo, etc.

K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell the story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?
 
I'm staying out of this, other than to say, that's a better way to say what Ive been trying to put across.

I elaborated on the thread that was deleted, so I won't bother repeating myself.





> I know the last thing we probably need is a new thread about
> the 103.1's but here it is.
>
> The signals have their limitations as we all know. K.M. has
> repeated that basically a 1 share or so is their limit.
> Therefore, the fact that they currently have around a 1
> share should be deemed a success. The 25-54 numbers and
> 18-34 of course mean more - and Indie does moderately well
> there - again - about as good as one would likely expect
> with their coverage.
>
> At this point, Entravision would devalue the stations by
> flipping the format. They need to continue to try and grow
> it and increase the revenue. My belief is they can likely
> bill $11-$12 million (maybe in 2 years) if they can stay
> around a 1-1.2 share 12+ and decent 18-34 and 25-54 results
> for their signal.
>
> It's unfair to compare Class A's to Class B's. The two Class
> A's that perform "well" in the ratings - "K-Buena" and
> "Recuerdo" - are both on multiple signals that give them
> better coverage - although they are well programmed stations
> IMHO - that cater to a specific target - although KBUE does
> do well on 105.5 alone. But if "Recuerdo" were only on 103.9
> or 98.3 my guess is we'd probably see about 60% of the
> ratings (David could answer that better).
>
> I would be remiss if I didn't mention KSSE - which has also
> done well - although they have a very nice tower location
> near Mt. Wilson which gives them good coverage of the metro
> (again though, unique targeted format).
>
> Also, IMHO - the signals were good for dance - and they good
> for an upscale Anglo format - which is what they have now.
>
> Honestly, with little marketing - I think the ratings they
> have at Indie right now are not bad. Surely more impressive
> than Class B's pulling under a 2.0 share - and there are
> currently five of them (although expect KXOL to go over real
> quickly).
>
 
Re: Indie

> K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell the
> story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?

In this case, that question is moot. Indie does not measure up well against the competition, whether in 12+ or in the target demos they should be selling to.

In fact, they are, at the moment, attempting to sell a demo that their numbers have declined in. (That's "declined" as in "slightly lower than the wobble should be".)

For the record, BTW: The previous acromonious thread was not deleted, but it was closed to further posts. I did not close the thread, another moderator did (since everyone likes to point the finger at me even when I'm not the one who took action).

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gotta have #s

I don't disagree with you on that- problem is, success in L.A. means covering L.A. Imagine Indie sales reps going to a national client and saying, "well, we may be 37thth overall but we're all the way up to #29 north of LAX". Nobody can sell that.

You're right about 25-54, too-- but they're #33 in that demo. I don't think a lot of us are questioning their effort or dedication, but they are what they are: a rimshot signal and super-niche format and will never be among the top stations in L.A. considering what they have to work with, that's all.

"IF" they had this & that, it would be a different discussion--but they don't,
so all the woulda/coulda/shoulda is moot.

> >
> Realistically, with their coverage area, how much above a
> 1.0 share can they get - and if they did another format -
> would it have the qualitative? Revenue is definitely
> critical - but the 12+ rank means nothing - no one buys it,
> no one cares. But, maybe a better phrase is - moderately
> successful - although that share will need to continue over
> 4-6 books.
>
> I'd rather be No. 1 25-54 and No. 6 12+ than vice versa.
>
> It's all about demo. KNX has a under a 2.0 share - and they
> have 20 units/hour and a targeted format -they will bill
> north of $40 million. I'd take that $40 million/year all day
> ... KLSX has slid to just north of a 2.0 share and will
> probably do $45-$50 million and they rank 16th 12+... Is
> that not successful? I think they have been.
>
> There are also stations getting 2.0 share + - that
> underachieve in revenue.
>
> I think people need to stop using 12+ Arbitron numbers to
> judge a stations success should also consider BIA and cash
> flow to judge -- because that is what makes a station a
> winner in the real world.
>
> Every situation on every signal is different - depending on
> debt service, signal, demo, etc.
>
> K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell the
> story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?
>
 
Re: Indie

> > K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell
> the
> > story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?






> In this case, that question is moot. Indie does not measure
> up well against the competition, whether in 12+ or in the
> target demos they should be selling to.

Nor would any station in L.A. that covers one-third of the markets population.


>
> In fact, they are, at the moment, attempting to sell a demo
> that their numbers have declined in. (That's "declined" as
> in "slightly lower than the wobble should be".)
>
> For the record, BTW: The previous acromonious thread was
> not deleted, but it was closed to further posts. I did not
> close the thread, another moderator did (since everyone
> likes to point the finger at me even when I'm not the one
> who took action).
>
 
Re: gotta have #s

> I don't disagree with you on that- problem is, success in
> L.A. means covering L.A. Imagine Indie sales reps going to
> a national client and saying, "well, we may be 37thth
> overall but we're all the way up to #29 north of LAX".
> Nobody can sell that.
>

That is totally untrue. Success in L.A. does not mean covering L.A. Success in L.A. - as is in every other market is cash flow and maximising the potential of your coverage.

Multicultural Broadcasting has made a successful business out of taking fringe radio stations and targeting them to the Asian community and making a nice profit without a lot of overhead.

And Lotus has done pretty good with the old KWNK in Simi Valley- now KIRN.

Niche formats and brokered programming work nicely on fringe sticks.

And in the latest trend (I cannot quote exact numbers), KDLD/KDLE were ahead of KNX, KFWB and KABC 25-54 and about a half share behind KZLA. Granted, the AM's are a different sell, but KZLA sits atop Mt. Wilson with millions of dollars in marketing, an exclusive format, 25 years of heritage, and millions a year in marketing.

I think I regret starting this thread.










> You're right about 25-54, too-- but they're #33 in that
> demo. I don't think a lot of us are questioning their
> effort or dedication, but they are what they are: a rimshot
> signal and super-niche format and will never be among the
> top stations in L.A. considering what they have to work
> with, that's all.
>
> "IF" they had this & that, it would be a different
> discussion--but they don't,
> so all the woulda/coulda/shoulda is moot.
>
> > >
> > Realistically, with their coverage area, how much above a
> > 1.0 share can they get - and if they did another format -
> > would it have the qualitative? Revenue is definitely
> > critical - but the 12+ rank means nothing - no one buys
> it,
> > no one cares. But, maybe a better phrase is - moderately
> > successful - although that share will need to continue
> over
> > 4-6 books.
> >
> > I'd rather be No. 1 25-54 and No. 6 12+ than vice versa.
> >
> > It's all about demo. KNX has a under a 2.0 share - and
> they
> > have 20 units/hour and a targeted format -they will bill
> > north of $40 million. I'd take that $40 million/year all
> day
> > ... KLSX has slid to just north of a 2.0 share and will
> > probably do $45-$50 million and they rank 16th 12+... Is
> > that not successful? I think they have been.
> >
> > There are also stations getting 2.0 share + - that
> > underachieve in revenue.
> >
> > I think people need to stop using 12+ Arbitron numbers to
> > judge a stations success should also consider BIA and cash
>
> > flow to judge -- because that is what makes a station a
> > winner in the real world.
> >
> > Every situation on every signal is different - depending
> on
> > debt service, signal, demo, etc.
> >
> > K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell
> the
> > story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?
> >
>
 
Re: Indie

Somebody please conceid this point, even though it may be mute.

If Indie has 1/3 a full market signal and you compare Indie within it's actual coverage area to KROQ within that same 1/3 market area
(by dividing their number by 3), then 12+ (in that area) Indie is only .2 behind KROQ.

In middays Indie, in the actual 12+ full market is nearly half that of KROQ, so in their 1/3 of the market they are beating KROQ.

Even Jack, with its huge increase is not beating Indie in it's third of the market.

Where indie can be heard they are toe to toe with KROQ and that is with zero promotional budget. They are not as niche as you may think.


I know I will get a wall of poo poo for even suggesting something so heretical but that must make sense to somebody here besides me.







> > > K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not tell
> > the
> > > story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In this case, that question is moot. Indie does not
> measure
> > up well against the competition, whether in 12+ or in the
> > target demos they should be selling to.
>
> Nor would any station in L.A. that covers one-third of the
> markets population.
>
>
> >
> > In fact, they are, at the moment, attempting to sell a
> demo
> > that their numbers have declined in. (That's "declined"
> as
> > in "slightly lower than the wobble should be".)
> >
> > For the record, BTW: The previous acromonious thread was
> > not deleted, but it was closed to further posts. I did
> not
> > close the thread, another moderator did (since everyone
> > likes to point the finger at me even when I'm not the one
> > who took action).
> >
>
 
Re: gotta have #s

I'm going to make one suggestion for the change of one word in your conclusion, which I think will clarify what the difference here is.

> Multicultural Broadcasting has made a successful business
> out of taking fringe radio stations and targeting them to
> the Asian community and making a nice profit without a lot
> of overhead.
>
> And Lotus has done pretty good with the old KWNK in Simi
> Valley- now KIRN.
>
> Ethnic formats and brokered programming work nicely on fringe
> sticks.

Niche formats (your original choice of words) have precisely the problem we have been discussing. If they are in English, they are competing with all the other mainstream formats for advertising dollars.

The reason David E. has been saying that Asian might work on the 103.1s is that there are no Asian FM signals in the market. I wouldn't be surprised if Entravision sold them to Multicultural if the revenues for Indie don't improve.

What is really sad is that there isn't room in this market to put something like Indie on a better signal. Such is the mentality of the conglomerates that control radio now. We were much better off, creativity-wise, before ownership limits were relaxed.
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Re: Indie

> Somebody please conceid this point, even though it may be
> mute.

The word is "moot", not "mute" (although I often wish you were the latter).

> If Indie has 1/3 a full market signal and you compare Indie
> within it's actual coverage area to KROQ within that same
> 1/3 market area
> (by dividing their number by 3), then 12+ (in that area)
> Indie is only .2 behind KROQ.
>
> In middays Indie, in the actual 12+ full market is nearly
> half that of KROQ, so in their 1/3 of the market they are
> beating KROQ.

Where you err is in thinking ratings can be computed that way.

The only way you could do a comparison would be to go to Arbitron and compare only those diaries that came from the areas where Indie's signal exists.

> I know I will get a wall of poo poo for even suggesting
> something so heretical but that must make sense to somebody
> here besides me.

Not to those of us who actually <u>understand</u> how ratings work. And it doesn't matter if your faulty logic makes sense to people who don't know how they work.

Are you done yet?
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Re: gotta have #s

>
> The reason David E. has been saying that Asian might work on
> the 103.1s is that there are no Asian FM signals in the
> market. I wouldn't be surprised if Entravision sold them to
> Multicultural if the revenues for Indie don't improve.

First of all how do you know what Indie's revenues are?

Second.

Even in the spanish market there are many niches. El Salvador, Regional Mexican, Tropical, etc etc.

Asia is an entire continent made up of many different languages, cultures, ages and influences.

So which niche within the Asian culture do you think would support a 60-100 million dollar property?
Korean? Chinese? Philipino? Japanese? Cambodian? Vietnamese?
Say you pick Kroean, what niche within that market are you going for?

Urban?, Pop? Traditional?, Hip Hop? Talk? Music?

Or do you think it would be a blanket "Asian" station?



>
> What is really sad is that there isn't room in this market
> to put something like Indie on a better signal. Such is the
> mentality of the conglomerates that control radio now. We
> were much better off, creativity-wise, before ownership
> limits were relaxed.

At last we agree on someting.





>
 
Re: gotta have #s

> Asia is an entire continent made up of many different
> languages, cultures, ages and influences.

Excellent point. And so is the resultant question:

> So which niche within the Asian culture do you think would
> support a 60-100 million dollar property? Or do you think it
> would be a blanket "Asian" station?

Based on the population where there is a decent signal, Korean on KDLD and Vietnamese on KDLE.

> > What is really sad is that there isn't room in this market
> > to put something like Indie on a better signal. Such is
> the
> > mentality of the conglomerates that control radio now. We
> > were much better off, creativity-wise, before ownership
> > limits were relaxed.
>
> At last we agree on someting.

We agreed on that a long time ago. I have posted one more than one occasion that I am not anti-Indie and that I would like to see how it would do on a better signal. But those comments have been largely ignored by those who would prefer to bash me, David, and others who are trying to look at this realistically instead of emotionally.

Let me repeat something, Sam. I only have a problem with you when you let your enthusiasm for Indie run wild. That is when you start making unrealistic claims in your post, and the fact that you don't appear to accept the explanations that have been offered countless times just makes the repetition of your claims annoying.

To those who think I attack you for other reasons, all they need to do is search on the word "Indie" and look at the history of your posts and mine on the subject. It is painfully obvious that there is an unfortunate history of you getting your hopes up that Indie is improving, followed by David, Glenn, myself, and others correcting you, only to have you pop up again the next time Arbitron releases ratings or trends, making pretty much the same "wishful thinking" claims. And thus the cycle begins anew.

Honestly, I can see why some -- especially those who haven't been here for the previous rounds -- would think I am being unfair, but I have been consistent with my responses. Despite what some people think, I have never said I wanted Indie to fail, but I have expressed my doubts (again, consistently) that it can be a success in the long term <u>on that signal</u>. Again, if you read all my posts on the subject, I have never been negative toward the format itself. You'll even find a few posts where I have been positive about aspects of it.

I also believe that a few people here simply don't like that a very opinionated and experienced consultant is also a moderator. Those people have trouble understanding when I am speaking as a broadcast professional and when I am moderating the board. Others see the difference; those are the ones who stay quiet when those disputes arise.

Sam, when you ask a question like the one I replied to above, you get me at my absolute best. When you ask the questions that have been asked and answered before, you make me absolutely nucking futs. And when you choose not to accept the knowledge we have shared with you and then post what to us looks like another clueless "see, I was right, Indie is improving" thread, you make us not want to talk to you ... but we must, because if left unchallenged, you'll get the impression that you are right when you are not.

This reply went on much longer than I intended it to when I started, but I hope everyone stayed tuned to the conclusion and now understand the dynamics better.

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There IS an Asian FM station in the market

> The reason David E. has been saying that Asian might work on
> the 103.1s is that there are no Asian FM signals in the
> market. I wouldn't be surprised if Entravision sold them to
> Multicultural if the revenues for Indie don't improve.

KALI 106.3 ... I drive by their xmitter every day on the 5 in Santa Ana

They have decent market coverage:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KALI&service=FM&status=L&hours=U<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by SuperRadioFan on 06/24/05 09:19 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: gotta have #s

> >
> > The reason David E. has been saying that Asian might work
> on
> > the 103.1s is that there are no Asian FM signals in the
> > market. I wouldn't be surprised if Entravision sold them
> to
> > Multicultural if the revenues for Indie don't improve.
>
> First of all how do you know what Indie's revenues are?

Miller-Kaplan and BIA.
>
> Second.
>
> Even in the spanish market there are many niches. El
> Salvador, Regional Mexican, Tropical, etc etc.

El Salvador is a country, not a format. There is no more a Salvadorean format than there is a canadian or an American format. San Salvador has over 40 radio stations and about 30 different formats or versions of formats.

Is country a niche format? Of course not. Neither is regional Mexican. There are no niche Spanish formats in LA... in Mexico City with 61 stastions, there are. In Puerto Rico, with 135 stations, there are.
>
> Asia is an entire continent made up of many different
> languages, cultures, ages and influences.
>
> So which niche within the Asian culture do you think would
> support a 60-100 million dollar property?
> Korean? Chinese? Philipino? Japanese? Cambodian? Vietnamese?
>
> Say you pick Kroean, what niche within that market are you
> going for?
>
> Urban?, Pop? Traditional?, Hip Hop? Talk? Music?
>
> Or do you think it would be a blanket "Asian" station?
>
>
>
> >
> > What is really sad is that there isn't room in this market
>
> > to put something like Indie on a better signal. Such is
> the
> > mentality of the conglomerates that control radio now. We
>
> > were much better off, creativity-wise, before ownership
> > limits were relaxed.
>
> At last we agree on someting.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
 
Re: Indie

> Somebody please conceid this point, even though it may be
> mute.
>
> If Indie has 1/3 a full market signal and you compare Indie
> within it's actual coverage area to KROQ within that same
> 1/3 market area
> (by dividing their number by 3), then 12+ (in that area)
> Indie is only .2 behind KROQ.

LA County is subdivided into addtional asmpling units, and, geographically there are 5. Indie is beaten by KROQ in LA-Southwest (the West Side) and in the OC (a single geographical unit). KROQ does terribly in South central, for example, since that area is predominantly ethnic.

So, KROQ beats Indie nearly 3 to 1 in SW, and similarly in OC. Indie does not do well in SE, the Valley, etc. because it has no signal there. KROQ does not do as well because many of these areas are vastly ethnic.
>
> In middays Indie, in the actual 12+ full market is nearly
> half that of KROQ, so in their 1/3 of the market they are
> beating KROQ.

You are making too much of a trend. In May, Indie was DOWN over April, and is in the same range they were in late in 2003. No change, just wobble.
>
> Even Jack, with its huge increase is not beating Indie in
> it's third of the market.

Same issue. The non-ethnic white targeted stations get most of thier aiudience where English speaking whites live. Jack creams indie on the west side.
>
> Where indie can be heard they are toe to toe with KROQ and
> that is with zero promotional budget. They are not as niche
> as you may think.

Actually, they are yards apart... KORQ, on the West Side, beats Indie nearly 3 to 1.
>
>
> I know I will get a wall of poo poo for even suggesting
> something so heretical but that must make sense to somebody
> here besides me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > K.M. and David have repeatedly said - 12+ does not
> tell
> > > the
> > > > story. So, why does that topic continue to come up?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In this case, that question is moot. Indie does not
> > measure
> > > up well against the competition, whether in 12+ or in
> the
> > > target demos they should be selling to.
> >
> > Nor would any station in L.A. that covers one-third of the
>
> > markets population.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > In fact, they are, at the moment, attempting to sell a
> > demo
> > > that their numbers have declined in. (That's "declined"
>
> > as
> > > in "slightly lower than the wobble should be".)
> > >
> > > For the record, BTW: The previous acromonious thread
> was
> > > not deleted, but it was closed to further posts. I did
> > not
> > > close the thread, another moderator did (since everyone
> > > likes to point the finger at me even when I'm not the
> one
> > > who took action).
> > >
> >
>
 
Those who can do, those who can't consult...

>
> I also believe that a few people here simply don't like that
> a very opinionated and experienced consultant is also a
> moderator. Those people have trouble understanding when I
> am speaking as a broadcast professional and when I am
> moderating the board. Others see the difference; those are
> the ones who stay quiet when those disputes arise.
>

I think that is exactly the problem, KM. You are very opinionated AND a moderator. The job of a moderator is to preside, not to bombard the debate with their one-sided opinions. While much of what you bring to the table is fact and/or based on experience, too much of it is your opinion. Anyone who reads back through the Indie posts can see that your bias against 103 goes deeper than Sam and his annoying ongoing agenda to promote the station. And your bullying ways go beyond the Indie 103 posts. You seem to clash with MANY who post here, way more than any other moderator.

You claimed that those who "stay quiet" on this board when disputes arise are doing so because they know you are speaking as a broadcast professional. That's a mighty big assumption on your part, my friend. I contend that many do so because they don't want to be unfairly attacked and kicked off the board, and/or they have better ways to waste their time.

Speaking of "quiet", why can't you be more like the other moderators and only chime in when necessary to keep order on the board?
 
Re: Those who can do, those who can't criticize the moderator instead

Ignoring the portion of your post which comes dangerously close to a violation of rule #5 ...

> Speaking of "quiet", why can't you be more like the other
> moderators and only chime in when necessary to keep order on
> the board?

I am under no obligation to do so. Every R-I moderator chooses for himself the level of participation he wants to take.

In fact, R-I management prefers to have moderators on each board who are there at least a couple of times a day. I was an active poster here before I became a moderator, and I have never been asked -- other than by people like yourself -- not to remain active.

You may be interested to know that the reason this board has more moderators than any other is because this board gets more heated discussions than any other. And I signed on as moderator during a period when things were much more out of control than they are now.

I post slightly more often as a moderator than I did before I became one. Most of the difference is because I have to take time to answer posts like yours, as a moderator.

Here is what you need to understand: I am not always speaking as a moderator when I post, and it should be fairly easy for you to tell when I am.

I also would request from you an apology for your topic header. You have no knowledge of my background, and as such your remark is an insult.

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Re: There IS an Asian FM station in the market

> KALI 106.3 ... I drive by their xmitter every day on the 5
> in Santa Ana

Forgot about them. Thanks.

Still, thinking about it further, given the high concentration of those of Vietnamese descent, a second such signal would have potential in OC.
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Re: Those who can do, those who can't consult...

> Ignoring the portion of your post which comes dangerously
> close to a violation of rule #5 ...
>
> > Speaking of "quiet", why can't you be more like the other
> > moderators and only chime in when necessary to keep order
> on
> > the board?
>
> I am under no obligation to do so. Every R-I moderator
> chooses for himself the level of participation he wants to
> take.
>
> In fact, R-I management prefers to have moderators on each
> board who are there at least a couple of times a day. I was
> an active poster here before I became a moderator, and I
> have never been asked -- other than by people like yourself
> -- not to remain active.
>
> You may be interested to know that the reason this board has
> more moderators than any other is because this board gets
> more heated discussions than any other. And I signed on as
> moderator during a period when things were much more out of
> control than they are now.
>
> I post slightly more often as a moderator than I did before
> I became one. Most of the difference is because I have to
> take time to answer posts like yours, as a moderator.
>
> Here is what you need to understand: I am not always
> speaking as a moderator when I post, and it should be fairly
> easy for you to tell when I am.
>
> I also would request from you an apology for your topic
> header. You have no knowledge of my background, and as such
> your remark is an insult.
>

I tell ya what. I'll apologize to you right after you apologize to Sam for calling him names yesterday. (BTW, is that why the entire thread was closed?) As for my topic header, that is merely an opinion. You yourself have often clumped people here into labeled groups because they do not share your philosophies, so I don't see why you would take that topic header so personally. From my experience, radio consultants are basically worthless. But again, that is just my opinion and not meant to be a personal attack on anyone.

You are right---it is quite apparent that you are not always speaking as a moderator when you post, because your "posts" often instigate people into arguing, and then "moderator you" usually threatens to boot them when they do. That was the point I was trying to make, that this board could be more informative and constructive if you would be either a moderator or a poster---not both. I wasn't questioning your right to do both, I was questioning your reason. But in all fairness, if you are going to do both, you should hold yourself to the same rules, relgulations and standards that you demand from the rest of us.

Is that too much to ask?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by TurnItOn on 06/25/05 01:59 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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