I have been listening to the station lately, I have gone on their website, and it would appear that they no longer refer to themselves as an "Oldies" station. And I've noticed that they've been playing more and more 80s music lately. Expect all of their 60s music to be phased out anytime now.
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103.3 WODS officially done with "Oldies?"
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This is not the first time someone on this board has noticed the "oldies omission":
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,153698.0.html
I don't know why people are surprised anymore, every time a station drops the "O" word.
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,153698.0.html
I don't know why people are surprised anymore, every time a station drops the "O" word.
DToTheJ said:
How many years is it that WBOQ has had an oldies format without mentioning the O word? Three, four, five years? More? There are no oldies anymore--just good-time favorites.
The problem with euphemisms is that they quickly conjure up the same images that the original word brought to mind, so it very soon becomes necessary to find euphemisms for the euphemisms. I don't know whether the five-syllable good-time favorites has what it takes to be the universal euphemism for oldies, but put on your thinking caps; start working on the euphemism for good-time favorites.
As a senior citizen, which is a euphemism for old person, I have yet to find a good euphemism for senior citizen.
DanStrassberg said:
There's another reason why WBOQ NEVER used the word "oldie". When WODS was "Oldies 103.3", WBOQ didn't want any chance that anyone would report them in a ratings diary with that word, because that rating entry then may have been attributed to WODS instead of them.
Likewise, 105.7 WROR never used the used the word "oldie" even when their format was skewed more toward traditional oldies about a decade ago (back when many other stations still used the "o" word), because it was directly competing with WODS "Oldies 103.3" and wanted a piece of their larger pie, not Arbitron mistaking them for the competition.
"Oldies?"
I have often heard the rule of thumb as follows:
"Oldies" are the stuff that you listened to while you were in
high school, heard 25 years later. The benchmark of what
then qualifies as "oldies" progresses along with the age of
your target audience...
I have often heard the rule of thumb as follows:
"Oldies" are the stuff that you listened to while you were in
high school, heard 25 years later. The benchmark of what
then qualifies as "oldies" progresses along with the age of
your target audience...
Re: "Oldies?"
Right, but the perception of the term "oldie" got hung up in association with the demographic that first used it, the '50s/'60s "oldies" generation.
Music will still always cycle back in nostalgia periodically as you mention, but people who want to hear '70s and '80s music don't want it to be called "oldies". That conjures up memories of their now gray-haired parents listening to Elvis, and the sponsors know this.
WLYNgm said:
Right, but the perception of the term "oldie" got hung up in association with the demographic that first used it, the '50s/'60s "oldies" generation.
Music will still always cycle back in nostalgia periodically as you mention, but people who want to hear '70s and '80s music don't want it to be called "oldies". That conjures up memories of their now gray-haired parents listening to Elvis, and the sponsors know this.
"Oldies?"
It must be very nice to be an expert on EVERYTHING! How very nice for you that
you feel qualified enough to make flat statements about "people" - as in all people.
Why do you feel that you must always get in the last word in every thread?
Dude, you have a real problem in this regard...seek help...
It must be very nice to be an expert on EVERYTHING! How very nice for you that
you feel qualified enough to make flat statements about "people" - as in all people.
Why do you feel that you must always get in the last word in every thread?
Dude, you have a real problem in this regard...seek help...
Re: "Oldies?"
OK, I should have said "most people", or "many people"...
So, why do YOU think that stations that play late '60s, '70s and '80s music don't use the word "oldie"?
WLYNgm said:
OK, I should have said "most people", or "many people"...
So, why do YOU think that stations that play late '60s, '70s and '80s music don't use the word "oldie"?
How about a rule that states you can only play music from a particular decade? Maybe Kiss would be currents, Mix would be 90's. Magic could rule the 80's. ZLX the 70's and ODS w/the 60's. I guess you could have four stations for each decade. One for pop, rock, urban and country.
Maybe I have too much time on my hands?!
K~
Maybe I have too much time on my hands?!
K~
karsonwithak said:
That's already happening with the decades on the HD-2's. WBMX HD-2 is "The '80s Channel", WROR HD-2 is "Nothing But The '70s".
Satellite radio has channels for each decade '50s through '90s.
M
MickeyD
Guest
Re: "Oldies?"
Is it true that music over 25 years old is exempt from paying ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC fees?
WLYNgm said:
Is it true that music over 25 years old is exempt from paying ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC fees?
"Oldies?"
I am not sure as to what the current time limits are for copyrighted music.
Perhaps someone else out there knows the details... After the copyright
protection period expires, intellectual property is considered to be part
of the public domain, and, therefore is not subject to royalties. The
laws have changed in recent years - alot of artists, back in the day,
got very little $$, in spite of a successful career. Bad management,
crooked accounting, investments gone bad, etc. added to the problem.
Look at what happened to Lennon/McCartney songs. They were offered a
pile of money a long time ago for the rights to their catalog. (ironically now
owned by Michael Jackson's estate!) If somebody shoves a pile of $$ at, say,
a young kid (who may or may not have good business sense)
they can be swayed by the prospect of relatively easy money. How much is alot of
money? It depends on an individual's background, and the way they think about/spend
money. Look at Elvis. He is worth far more now than when he was alive, because his heirs
(and/or the management of his estate...) has kept a tight grip on all things Elvis.
There was a great story recently on 60 Minutes, about dead celebrities' estates...
As to defining music as "oldies" - I would think it would be on a station by station basis. As radio
"formats" are an alphabet soup these days, they get narrower and narrower in their playlists.
It has gotten so tight that you can have songs by the same artist that are considered by many
to be part of different radio formats. Bizzarre...
I am not sure as to what the current time limits are for copyrighted music.
Perhaps someone else out there knows the details... After the copyright
protection period expires, intellectual property is considered to be part
of the public domain, and, therefore is not subject to royalties. The
laws have changed in recent years - alot of artists, back in the day,
got very little $$, in spite of a successful career. Bad management,
crooked accounting, investments gone bad, etc. added to the problem.
Look at what happened to Lennon/McCartney songs. They were offered a
pile of money a long time ago for the rights to their catalog. (ironically now
owned by Michael Jackson's estate!) If somebody shoves a pile of $$ at, say,
a young kid (who may or may not have good business sense)
they can be swayed by the prospect of relatively easy money. How much is alot of
money? It depends on an individual's background, and the way they think about/spend
money. Look at Elvis. He is worth far more now than when he was alive, because his heirs
(and/or the management of his estate...) has kept a tight grip on all things Elvis.
There was a great story recently on 60 Minutes, about dead celebrities' estates...
As to defining music as "oldies" - I would think it would be on a station by station basis. As radio
"formats" are an alphabet soup these days, they get narrower and narrower in their playlists.
It has gotten so tight that you can have songs by the same artist that are considered by many
to be part of different radio formats. Bizzarre...
Music copyrights in the USA last 99 years. In most of Europe, it's 50 years. IF Great Britian is with the European model, then it would appear as though many Beatles/Stones songs will be up for grabs next decade. - In the USA, with being 99 years, songs are vitually worthless by the time the 99 years is up.
Re: "Oldies?"
Funny, I grew up with many oldies stations (back when they were 60's centric in the 90's), and the word oldies makes me feel warm 'n' fuzzy inside - not repulsed that I'm listening to geezer tunes. Maybe I'm just weird.
Now back to my Beach Boys & Motown...
WLYNgm said:
Funny, I grew up with many oldies stations (back when they were 60's centric in the 90's), and the word oldies makes me feel warm 'n' fuzzy inside - not repulsed that I'm listening to geezer tunes. Maybe I'm just weird.
Now back to my Beach Boys & Motown...
copyrights, etc.
On the TV side, for example - one of the pioneers was the late
Lucille Ball (Lucy) She was a shrewd and savvy businesswoman -
she ran her own production company (Desilu Studios) and held on
to the rights to her own shows. Management types would call this
a vertically integrated company.At the time,
alot of the "experts" said that she was crazy - people have already
seen these shows - who would ever want to see them again?
Nobody then knew about DVD sales, syndication, cable, worldwide
distribution (dubbed into a zillion different languages). Somewhere
on the planet Lucy is still playing. As new people are born, and grow up,
to them it is all brand new!
On the TV side, for example - one of the pioneers was the late
Lucille Ball (Lucy) She was a shrewd and savvy businesswoman -
she ran her own production company (Desilu Studios) and held on
to the rights to her own shows. Management types would call this
a vertically integrated company.At the time,
alot of the "experts" said that she was crazy - people have already
seen these shows - who would ever want to see them again?
Nobody then knew about DVD sales, syndication, cable, worldwide
distribution (dubbed into a zillion different languages). Somewhere
on the planet Lucy is still playing. As new people are born, and grow up,
to them it is all brand new!
B
BoscoGoldBear
Guest
And Jeff, let's not forget the one "Lucy" show that people are still watching even though they were born decades after it went off the air: "Star Trek: The Original Series"!
"Oldies?"
Yep. The original Star Trek was a Desilu production. It
was pitched to the networks, at the time, (1966?) as a western,
set in outer space. Shows like Wagon Train, Bonanza, Gunsmoke,
etc. were quite popular at that time - and space exploration
was in high gear, and prominent with the public.
As for oldies music - for me, at my age (high school class of '74),
oldies were 50's doo-wop or early 60's pre British Invasion. My golden
age for music was '64 - '72, now called "classic rock" by many people.
My college years were at the height of the disco era - but the folks
I knew then wanted no part of that! Some folks I know now,
much younger than me, consider late '80's, early '90's
to be the golden age. Yikes!
)
Yep. The original Star Trek was a Desilu production. It
was pitched to the networks, at the time, (1966?) as a western,
set in outer space. Shows like Wagon Train, Bonanza, Gunsmoke,
etc. were quite popular at that time - and space exploration
was in high gear, and prominent with the public.
As for oldies music - for me, at my age (high school class of '74),
oldies were 50's doo-wop or early 60's pre British Invasion. My golden
age for music was '64 - '72, now called "classic rock" by many people.
My college years were at the height of the disco era - but the folks
I knew then wanted no part of that! Some folks I know now,
much younger than me, consider late '80's, early '90's
to be the golden age. Yikes!
)DanStrassberg said:
Here's a euphemism for senior citizen that I can't abide: oldster. Makes me think it SHOULD be a euphemism for Oldsmobile roadster--probably a car from the late '20s/early 30's, a period that predates even me. This car might have been your father's Oldsmobile, but more likely was HIS father's Oldsmobile. Since no more Oldsmobiles are being manufactured, oldster can't be used to describe a new Oldsmobile because there are no more new Oldsmobiles.
Oh, well; at least I haven't heard "oldie" used as a generic name for people of my generation.
J
Jimc
Guest
Did anyone ever ask a fan of "classic" pop music, what they think of when they hear the term OLDIES.
And who ever deemed the term OLDIES to mean the audience.
Style of music.
Classic Rock ,Country, ROCK.....etc
And who ever deemed the term OLDIES to mean the audience.
Style of music.
Classic Rock ,Country, ROCK.....etc
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