103's pitching up their stuff

[shilton]

I was driving along tonight flipping around when I noticed something I had not picked up on before...103 is pitching up the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver with a sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2% perhaps???

I know some of the major market use this trick as means to force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every hour...but I don't get it.

If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came along and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this and what is your opinion? I think it sounds rediculous...especially when another station plays the same tune at the same time and then the change sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

[Spackler]

> I was driving along tonight flipping around when I noticed
> something I had not picked up on before...103 is pitching up
> the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver with a
> sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was
> obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed
> too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2% perhaps???
>
> I know some of the major market use this trick as means to
> force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
> hour...but I don't get it.
>
> If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came along
> and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this and
> what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> rediculous...especially when another station plays the same
> tune at the same time and then the change sticks out like a
> sore thumb.
>

I never liked that practice. It sounds bad to me and on certain songs it sounds comical. I haven't noticed it but I haven't heard Hot 103 this week.

Steve I think Revolution should pitch everything down 2% in protest.

 

[jff110]

Steve, 103 has been doing that for a long time. A couple of years, at least. I'm surprised you hadn't noticed before.

For newer songs the average person probably wouldn't know the difference. But it was especially obvious in the Beaver 103 days, when they would play more older music. You'd hear a 10-year-old song that you had heard 1,000 times before and suddenly it's pitched up 2% and it would just sound terrible.

> I was driving along tonight flipping around when I noticed
>
> > something I had not picked up on before...103 is pitching
> up
> > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver with
> a
> > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was
> > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed
> > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2% perhaps???
> >
> > I know some of the major market use this trick as means to
>
> > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
> > hour...but I don't get it.
> >
> > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came
> along
> > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this
> and
> > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > rediculous...especially when another station plays the
> same
> > tune at the same time and then the change sticks out like
> a
> > sore thumb.
> >
>
> I never liked that practice. It sounds bad to me and on
> certain songs it sounds comical. I haven't noticed it but I
> haven't heard Hot 103 this week.
>
> Steve I think Revolution should pitch everything down 2% in
> protest.
>

 

[missaretha]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but it wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different, it was only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done in the Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still in B Major on the air.

While there is a noticable difference in tempo to those who have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same. There are quite a few types of audio software that will speed up a song to place into a shorter period of time which will leave the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here at home every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my various musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute song into 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of that.

And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do not know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.

> I was driving along tonight flipping around when I noticed
> something I had not picked up on before...103 is pitching up
> the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver with a
> sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was
> obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed
> too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2% perhaps???
>
> I know some of the major market use this trick as means to
> force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
> hour...but I don't get it.
>
> If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came along
> and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this and
> what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> rediculous...especially when another station plays the same
> tune at the same time and then the change sticks out like a
> sore thumb.

 

[babeontheair]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

Not pitching as in singing. There is a section in all modern broadcast editing software called pitching. This is the term used across the world. Yes we are all aware you sing and there is a singing term to do with pitch and you will argue that the term used by the computer programmers that made the editing software is not used correctly. It goes back to the pitch adjustment on turntables years ago I believe. Yes, as I said we all know that you are a great singer but there is a pitch in broadcasting too, different meaning perhaps.

This has been on all the headlines across the country over the years and I have noticed it on other Frogette stations in Altoona. Maybe instead of pitching Steve should put an echo behind his voice and play some hopped up jingles! He could do a record hop from the skating rink. It does hit me that over the ears 103 did a great job of connecting with the community, I know revolution has too but I hope Steve helps them crank it up a notch even regionally.




I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but it
> wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different, it was
> only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done in the
> Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still in B
> Major on the air.
>
> While there is a noticable difference in tempo to those who
> have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same. There are
> quite a few types of audio software that will speed up a
> song to place into a shorter period of time which will leave
> the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here at home
> every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my various
> musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute song into
> 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of that.
>
> And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do not
> know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
>
> > I was driving along tonight flipping around when I noticed
>
> > something I had not picked up on before...103 is pitching
> up
> > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver with
> a
> > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was
> > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed
> > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2% perhaps???
> >
> > I know some of the major market use this trick as means to
>
> > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
> > hour...but I don't get it.
> >
> > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came
> along
> > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this
> and
> > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > rediculous...especially when another station plays the
> same
> > tune at the same time and then the change sticks out like
> a
> > sore thumb.
>

 

[jff110]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

No, the tempo is changed by two percent. Trust me. I worked there.


>
> And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do not
> know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
>

 

[shilton]

> Steve, 103 has been doing that for a long time. A couple of
> years, at least. I'm surprised you hadn't noticed before.
>
>
> For newer songs the average person probably wouldn't know
> the difference. But it was especially obvious in the Beaver
> 103 days, when they would play more older music. You'd hear
> a 10-year-old song that you had heard 1,000 times before and
> suddenly it's pitched up 2% and it would just sound
> terrible.
>
Didn't catch it cause I had not been Listening. I could not stomach listening to that BEAVER STUFF! Yuck...bucky's backtrack sounded like something you did not want to step in while hiking through the woods!

Even if I could stand country...I could not take the Froggy thing for too long either...too much captain Kermit and ribbit ribbit and what if I don't want to have a freaking HOPPY DAY!!! And don't get me going on ROCKY!!!

All these themes...its like Walt Disney on Acid running a bunch of radio stations....I have a few choice suggestions where they can stick their HOT DOUGH!!! Are we making fresh bread or playing music???

At any rate...the PITCH...and I think we agree that IS the correct word in this case sounds silly. I know personally that there are indeed labels and artists who take this practice quite seriously as they think it ruins the the the way the artist meant for it to be heard.

 

[babeontheair]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

Whats the software? I dont want to argue but a .02% tempo or pitch change would clearly not be something that any human could notice. Not even the artists themselves. I still have never seen a turntable, CD player, or software that has a tempo control. I do know that a few years ago there was a digital box for sale that would speed all on air up.

> No, the tempo is changed by two percent. Trust me. I
> worked there.
>
>
> >
> > And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do
> not
> > know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> > .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
> >
>

 

[Kahn_II]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

>
> And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do not
> know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.

.02 % would hardly be noticeable; 2% would be.<P ID="signature">______________
-DK</P>

 

[missaretha]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

Okay, so enlighten me. What does "pitching" mean in the glamourous world of radio? Because the word "pitching" to me means to throw a ball at a batter standing on home plate.

Steve specifically said he heard a change in pitch by describing Hollaback Girl as sounding like "Bucky Beaver with a sex change." That can only mean he thought he heard a change in KEY as well as tempo. I'm telling you the key is the same, the tempo IS faster. I don't know the exact percentage but I don't remember that number being as high as 2%. Could be close but I just don't remember.

Has nothing to do with being a singer, or even a great one. It's simple ear training.

> Not pitching as in singing. There is a section in all modern
> broadcast editing software called pitching. This is the term
> used across the world. Yes we are all aware you sing and
> there is a singing term to do with pitch and you will argue
> that the term used by the computer programmers that made the
> editing software is not used correctly. It goes back to the
> pitch adjustment on turntables years ago I believe. Yes, as
> I said we all know that you are a great singer but there is
> a pitch in broadcasting too, different meaning perhaps.
>
> This has been on all the headlines across the country
> over the years and I have noticed it on other Frogette
> stations in Altoona. Maybe instead of pitching Steve should
> put an echo behind his voice and play some hopped up
> jingles! He could do a record hop from the skating rink. It
> does hit me that over the ears 103 did a great job of
> connecting with the community, I know revolution has too but
> I hope Steve helps them crank it up a notch even regionally.
>
>
>
>
>
> I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but it
> > wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different, it was
> > only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done in the
> > Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still in B
> > Major on the air.
> >
> > While there is a noticable difference in tempo to those
> who
> > have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same. There
> are
> > quite a few types of audio software that will speed up a
> > song to place into a shorter period of time which will
> leave
> > the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here at
> home
> > every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my various
>
> > musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute song
> into
> > 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of that.
>
> >
> > And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do
> not
> > know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> > .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
> >
> > > I was driving along tonight flipping around when I
> noticed
> >
> > > something I had not picked up on before...103 is
> pitching
> > up
> > > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver
> with
> > a
> > > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change was
>
> > > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded rushed
>
> > > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2%
> perhaps???
> > >
> > > I know some of the major market use this trick as means
> to
> >
> > > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
> > > hour...but I don't get it.
> > >
> > > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came
> > along
> > > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed this
> > and
> > > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > > rediculous...especially when another station plays the
> > same
> > > tune at the same time and then the change sticks out
> like
> > a
> > > sore thumb.
> >
>

 

[shilton]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

> Whats the software? I dont want to argue but a .02% tempo or
> pitch change would clearly not be something that any human
> could notice. Not even the artists themselves. I still have
> never seen a turntable, CD player, or software that has a
> tempo control. I do know that a few years ago there was a
> digital box for sale that would speed all on air up.
>

Its a 2% pitch adjustment NOT .02% and heck you don't get around much do ya...even like Crutcfield, heck I bet Paul and Tony's in town has high end CD players with Pitch Control. Look in the booth at Players...also cd players with pitch control. There used to be one in the prod room made by Sony...but we never used the pitch adjustment. It was just a feature we played with for kicks sometime.

Oh and don't care what you say...speed up the track...you speed up the pitch and not just the tempo! The voice sounds noticably HIGHER...my Bucky comment was an exaggeration...but play Hollaback on 103 and spin it on 101 at the same time and the change will jump right out at ya!

 

[babeontheair]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

It’s not worth arguing with you. I explained that there are dozens of articles in the trades about pitching that is what evrybody calls it not just Steve. There is dedicated equipment to pitch up broadcast content. Ear training is not part of the glamorous world of radio as you put it. I stated that every current modern broadcast editing software contains a pitch adjust section. That is fact. It is also easy to surmise that that term was derived from the pitch adjustment on all broadcast turntables in the days of records.That is what it was called. I have no “ear training” I can however hear when something is pitched up. I can also do it.

The poster that added from 103 said it was a tempo change also. It is a not a true tempo change. The term might be used in the software they have. Pitch: music transitive verb to set a musical instrument to a particular key in the dictionary. In the editing software it is To vary the waveform playback speed up or down. Yes its speeding up the recording, yes its pitch as called that by broadcasters. It is not setting a instrument to change the key. You are wrong there. All the recording is played at a faster speed, or pitched up. It truly is a glamorous world that some of us love and some can only nit pick at. I love it.



> Okay, so enlighten me. What does "pitching" mean in the
> glamourous world of radio? Because the word "pitching" to
> me means to throw a ball at a batter standing on home plate.
>
>
> Steve specifically said he not a trueheard a change in pitch by
> describing Hollaback Girl as sounding like "Bucky Beaver
> with a sex change." That can only mean he thought he heard
> a change in KEY as well as tempo. I'm telling you the key
> is the same, the tempo IS faster. I don't know the exact
> percentage but I don't remember that number being as high as
> 2%. Could be close but I just don't remember.
>
> Has nothing to do with being a singer, or even a great one.
> It's simple ear training.
>
> > Not pitching as in singing. There is a section in all
> modern
> > broadcast editing software called pitching. This is the
> term
> > used across the world. Yes we are all aware you sing and
> > there is a singing term to do with pitch and you will
> argue
> > that the term used by the computer programmers that made
> the
> > editing software is not used correctly. It goes back to
> the
> > pitch adjustment on turntables years ago I believe. Yes,
> as
> > I said we all know that you are a great singer but there
> is
> > a pitch in broadcasting too, different meaning perhaps.
> >
> > This has been on all the headlines across the country
> > over the years and I have noticed it on other Frogette
> > stations in Altoona. Maybe instead of pitching Steve
> should
> > put an echo behind his voice and play some hopped up
> > jingles! He could do a record hop from the skating rink.
> It
> > does hit me that over the ears 103 did a great job of
> > connecting with the community, I know revolution has too
> but
> > I hope Steve helps them crank it up a notch even
> regionally.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but it
> > > wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different, it
> was
> > > only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done in
> the
> > > Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still in
> B
> > > Major on the air.
> > >
> > > While there is a noticable difference in tempo to those
> > who
> > > have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same. There
>
> > are
> > > quite a few types of audio software that will speed up a
>
> > > song to place into a shorter period of time which will
> > leave
> > > the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here at
> > home
> > > every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my
> various
> >
> > > musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute song
> > into
> > > 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of
> that.
> >
> > >
> > > And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I do
> > not
> > > know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer to
> > > .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
> > >
> > > > I was driving along tonight flipping around when I
> > noticed
> > >
> > > > something I had not picked up on before...103 is
> > pitching
> > > up
> > > > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver
> > with
> > > a
> > > > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change
> was
> >
> > > > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded
> rushed
> >
> > > > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2%
> > perhaps???
> > > >
> > > > I know some of the major market use this trick as
> means
> > to
> > >
> > > > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in every
>
> > > > hour...but I don't get it.
> > > >
> > > > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone came
> > > along
> > > > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed
> this
> > > and
> > > > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > > > rediculous...especially when another station plays the
>
> > > same
> > > > tune at the same time and then the change sticks out
> > like
> > > a
> > > > sore thumb.
> > >
> >
>

 

[jff110]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

Roarradio, you are 100% correct. I used the word "tempo" in one of my posts, but the more common term used in radio is "pitching" and it works exactly as you have described.

This is a senseless debate. Maybe "pitching" doesn't mean the same thing in radio as it does in music. But this is a radio board, and we're talking about radio, and ever since the invention of turntables, "pitching" has been the term the radio industry has used to describe this process. Jeez...


> It’s not worth arguing with you. I explained that there are
> dozens of articles in the trades about pitching that is what
> evrybody calls it not just Steve. There is dedicated
> equipment to pitch up broadcast content. Ear training is
> not part of the glamorous world of radio as you put it. I
> stated that every current modern broadcast editing software
> contains a pitch adjust section. That is fact. It is also
> easy to surmise that that term was derived from the pitch
> adjustment on all broadcast turntables in the days of
> records.That is what it was called. I have no “ear
> training” I can however hear when something is pitched up. I
> can also do it.
>
> The poster that added from 103 said it was a tempo
> change also. It is a not a true tempo change. The term might
> be used in the software they have. Pitch: music transitive
> verb to set a musical instrument to a particular key in the
> dictionary. In the editing software it is To vary the
> waveform playback speed up or down. Yes its speeding up the
> recording, yes its pitch as called that by broadcasters. It
> is not setting a instrument to change the key. You are wrong
> there. All the recording is played at a faster speed, or
> pitched up. It truly is a glamorous world that some of us
> love and some can only nit pick at. I love it.
>
>
>
> > Okay, so enlighten me. What does "pitching" mean in the
> > glamourous world of radio? Because the word "pitching" to
>
> > me means to throw a ball at a batter standing on home
> plate.
> >
> >
> > Steve specifically said he not a trueheard a change in
> pitch by
> > describing Hollaback Girl as sounding like "Bucky Beaver
> > with a sex change." That can only mean he thought he
> heard
> > a change in KEY as well as tempo. I'm telling you the key
>
> > is the same, the tempo IS faster. I don't know the exact
> > percentage but I don't remember that number being as high
> as
> > 2%. Could be close but I just don't remember.
> >
> > Has nothing to do with being a singer, or even a great
> one.
> > It's simple ear training.
> >
> > > Not pitching as in singing. There is a section in all
> > modern
> > > broadcast editing software called pitching. This is the
> > term
> > > used across the world. Yes we are all aware you sing and
>
> > > there is a singing term to do with pitch and you will
> > argue
> > > that the term used by the computer programmers that made
>
> > the
> > > editing software is not used correctly. It goes back to
> > the
> > > pitch adjustment on turntables years ago I believe. Yes,
>
> > as
> > > I said we all know that you are a great singer but there
>
> > is

> > > a pitch in broadcasting too, different meaning perhaps.
> > >
> > > This has been on all the headlines across the country
>
> > > over the years and I have noticed it on other Frogette
> > > stations in Altoona. Maybe instead of pitching Steve
> > should
> > > put an echo behind his voice and play some hopped up
> > > jingles! He could do a record hop from the skating rink.
>
> > It
> > > does hit me that over the ears 103 did a great job of
> > > connecting with the community, I know revolution has too
>
> > but
> > > I hope Steve helps them crank it up a notch even
> > regionally.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but
> it
> > > > wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different, it
> > was
> > > > only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done in
> > the
> > > > Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still
> in
> > B
> > > > Major on the air.
> > > >
> > > > While there is a noticable difference in tempo to
> those
> > > who
> > > > have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same.
> There
> >
> > > are
> > > > quite a few types of audio software that will speed up
> a
> >
> > > > song to place into a shorter period of time which will
>
> > > leave
> > > > the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here at
>
> > > home
> > > > every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my
> > various
> > >
> > > > musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute song
>
> > > into
> > > > 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of
> > that.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I
> do
> > > not
> > > > know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer
> to
> > > > .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the idea.
>
> > > >
> > > > > I was driving along tonight flipping around when I
> > > noticed
> > > >
> > > > > something I had not picked up on before...103 is
> > > pitching
> > > > up
> > > > > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky Beaver
>
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the change
>
> > was
> > >
> > > > > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded
> > rushed
> > >
> > > > > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2%
> > > perhaps???
> > > > >
> > > > > I know some of the major market use this trick as
> > means
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in
> every
> >
> > > > > hour...but I don't get it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone
> came
> > > > along
> > > > > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed
> > this
> > > > and
> > > > > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > > > > rediculous...especially when another station plays
> the
> >
> > > > same
> > > > > tune at the same time and then the change sticks out
>
> > > like
> > > > a
> > > > > sore thumb.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

[killawatt]

9 out of 10 radio edits are done by radio stations and not record companies and artist. Streisend/Diamond's YOU DON"T BRING ME FLOWERS was done at WMC-FM/Memphis...we paid Jellybean to edit Duran Duran's The Reflex and Shelia E's Glamorus Life - Shannon while at Z100 did over 50 radio edits from his production room and the artist and record companies were thrilled - otherwise they would not have recieved the airpaly they did. It's the program director's choice to play the record backwards if he/she wants. We call artist that mind their songs being fooled with - an artist with a one album deal.


minded> > Steve, 103 has been doing that for a long time. A couple
> of
> > years, at least. I'm surprised you hadn't noticed before.
>
> >
> >
> > For newer songs the average person probably wouldn't know
> > the difference. But it was especially obvious in the
> Beaver
> > 103 days, when they would play more older music. You'd
> hear
> > a 10-year-old song that you had heard 1,000 times before
> and
> > suddenly it's pitched up 2% and it would just sound
> > terrible.
> >
> Didn't catch it cause I had not been Listening. I could not
> stomach listening to that BEAVER STUFF! Yuck...bucky's
> backtrack sounded like something you did not want to step in
> while hiking through the woods!
>
> Even if I could stand country...I could not take the Froggy
> thing for too long either...too much captain Kermit and
> ribbit ribbit and what if I don't want to have a freaking
> HOPPY DAY!!! And don't get me going on ROCKY!!!
>
> All these themes...its like Walt Disney on Acid running a
> bunch of radio stations....I have a few choice suggestions
> where they can stick their HOT DOUGH!!! Are we making fresh
> bread or playing music???
>
> At any rate...the PITCH...and I think we agree that IS the
> correct word in this case sounds silly. I know personally
> that there are indeed labels and artists who take this
> practice quite seriously as they think it ruins the the the
> way the artist meant for it to be heard.
>

 

[shilton]

> 9 out of 10 radio edits are done by radio stations and not
> record companies and artist. Streisend/Diamond's YOU DON"T
> BRING ME FLOWERS was done at WMC-FM/Memphis...we paid
> Jellybean to edit Duran Duran's The Reflex and Shelia E's
> Glamorus Life - Shannon while at Z100 did over 50 radio
> edits from his production room and the artist and record
> companies were thrilled - otherwise they would not have
> recieved the airpaly they did. It's the program director's
> choice to play the record backwards if he/she wants. We call
> artist that mind their songs being fooled with - an artist
> with a one album deal.

Most artists today are one album deals...you know...HIT RADIO...by the way when the promo cd's come in...they have RADIO EDIT already on them...so unless Scott Shannon and the likes are visiting the recording studio...the labels are putting their own edits out.

Why don't you call a few artists and ask them how they feel about their tracks being screwed with? You may be surprised to see that don't think you should be able to do whatever you want with their track

 

[babeontheair]

I sure hope ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC will send some cash back then.


> 9 out of 10 radio edits are done by radio stations and not
> record companies and artist. Streisend/Diamond's YOU DON"T
> BRING ME FLOWERS was done at WMC-FM/Memphis...we paid
> Jellybean to edit Duran Duran's The Reflex and Shelia E's
> Glamorus Life - Shannon while at Z100 did over 50 radio
> edits from his production room and the artist and record
> companies were thrilled - otherwise they would not have
> recieved the airpaly they did. It's the program director's
> choice to play the record backwards if he/she wants. We call
> artist that mind their songs being fooled with - an artist
> with a one album deal.
>
>
> minded> > Steve, 103 has been doing that for a long time. A
> couple
> > of
> > > years, at least. I'm surprised you hadn't noticed
> before.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > For newer songs the average person probably wouldn't
> know
> > > the difference. But it was especially obvious in the
> > Beaver
> > > 103 days, when they would play more older music. You'd
> > hear
> > > a 10-year-old song that you had heard 1,000 times before
>
> > and
> > > suddenly it's pitched up 2% and it would just sound
> > > terrible.
> > >
> > Didn't catch it cause I had not been Listening. I could
> not
> > stomach listening to that BEAVER STUFF! Yuck...bucky's
> > backtrack sounded like something you did not want to step
> in
> > while hiking through the woods!
> >
> > Even if I could stand country...I could not take the
> Froggy
> > thing for too long either...too much captain Kermit and
> > ribbit ribbit and what if I don't want to have a freaking
> > HOPPY DAY!!! And don't get me going on ROCKY!!!
> >
> > All these themes...its like Walt Disney on Acid running a
> > bunch of radio stations....I have a few choice suggestions
>
> > where they can stick their HOT DOUGH!!! Are we making
> fresh
> > bread or playing music???
> >
> > At any rate...the PITCH...and I think we agree that IS the
>
> > correct word in this case sounds silly. I know personally
>
> > that there are indeed labels and artists who take this
> > practice quite seriously as they think it ruins the the
> the
> > way the artist meant for it to be heard.
> >
>

 

[babeontheair]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

Thanks Bud, it is refreshing to have some civility n this board. I agree what a dumb thing to argue about. I work at another station and still feel 103 sounds very good all around. Keep up the great work. I can remeber many times 103 engineers helped us out and we helped them. It was the right thing to do. Its called a small market.


> Roarradio, you are 100% correct. I used the word "tempo" in
> one of my posts, but the more common term used in radio is
> "pitching" and it works exactly as you have described.
>
> This is a senseless debate. Maybe "pitching" doesn't mean
> the same thing in radio as it does in music. But this is a
> radio board, and we're talking about radio, and ever since
> the invention of turntables, "pitching" has been the term
> the radio industry has used to describe this process.
> Jeez...
>
>
> > It’s not worth arguing with you. I explained that there
> are
> > dozens of articles in the trades about pitching that is
> what
> > evrybody calls it not just Steve. There is dedicated
> > equipment to pitch up broadcast content. Ear training is
> > not part of the glamorous world of radio as you put it. I
> > stated that every current modern broadcast editing
> software
> > contains a pitch adjust section. That is fact. It is also
> > easy to surmise that that term was derived from the pitch
> > adjustment on all broadcast turntables in the days of
> > records.That is what it was called. I have no “ear
> > training” I can however hear when something is pitched up.
> I
> > can also do it.
> >
> > The poster that added from 103 said it was a tempo
> > change also. It is a not a true tempo change. The term
> might
> > be used in the software they have. Pitch: music transitive
>
> > verb to set a musical instrument to a particular key in
> the
> > dictionary. In the editing software it is To vary the
> > waveform playback speed up or down. Yes its speeding up
> the
> > recording, yes its pitch as called that by broadcasters.
> It
> > is not setting a instrument to change the key. You are
> wrong
> > there. All the recording is played at a faster speed, or
> > pitched up. It truly is a glamorous world that some of us
> > love and some can only nit pick at. I love it.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Okay, so enlighten me. What does "pitching" mean in the
>
> > > glamourous world of radio? Because the word "pitching"
> to
> >
> > > me means to throw a ball at a batter standing on home
> > plate.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve specifically said he not a trueheard a change in
> > pitch by
> > > describing Hollaback Girl as sounding like "Bucky Beaver
>
> > > with a sex change." That can only mean he thought he
> > heard
> > > a change in KEY as well as tempo. I'm telling you the
> key
> >
> > > is the same, the tempo IS faster. I don't know the
> exact
> > > percentage but I don't remember that number being as
> high
> > as
> > > 2%. Could be close but I just don't remember.
> > >
> > > Has nothing to do with being a singer, or even a great
> > one.
> > > It's simple ear training.
> > >
> > > > Not pitching as in singing. There is a section in all
> > > modern
> > > > broadcast editing software called pitching. This is
> the
> > > term
> > > > used across the world. Yes we are all aware you sing
> and
> >
> > > > there is a singing term to do with pitch and you will
> > > argue
> > > > that the term used by the computer programmers that
> made
> >
> > > the
> > > > editing software is not used correctly. It goes back
> to
> > > the
> > > > pitch adjustment on turntables years ago I believe.
> Yes,
> >
> > > as
> > > > I said we all know that you are a great singer but
> there
> >
> > > is
>
> > > > a pitch in broadcasting too, different meaning
> perhaps.
> > > >
> > > > This has been on all the headlines across the
> country
> >
> > > > over the years and I have noticed it on other Frogette
>
> > > > stations in Altoona. Maybe instead of pitching Steve
> > > should
> > > > put an echo behind his voice and play some hopped up
> > > > jingles! He could do a record hop from the skating
> rink.
> >
> > > It
> > > > does hit me that over the ears 103 did a great job of
> > > > connecting with the community, I know revolution has
> too
> >
> > > but
> > > > I hope Steve helps them crank it up a notch even
> > > regionally.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I too heard Hollaback Girl this evening on Hot 103 but
>
> > it
> > > > > wasn't the the pitch you heard that was different,
> it
> > > was
> > > > > only the speed. Hollaback Girl is originally done
> in
> > > the
> > > > > Key of B Major and even at a higer tempo, it's still
>
> > in
> > > B
> > > > > Major on the air.
> > > > >
> > > > > While there is a noticable difference in tempo to
> > those
> > > > who
> > > > > have the ear for it, the pitch is still the same.
> > There
> > >
> > > > are
> > > > > quite a few types of audio software that will speed
> up
> > a
> > >
> > > > > song to place into a shorter period of time which
> will
> >
> > > > leave
> > > > > the key/pitch exactly the same. We've done it here
> at
> >
> > > > home
> > > > > every once in a blue moon in our own studio for my
> > > various
> > > >
> > > > > musical recording needs. Having to fit a 4 minute
> song
> >
> > > > into
> > > > > 3.5 minutes for a competition would be an example of
>
> > > that.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And the tempo is not changed as high as 2%. While I
>
> > do
> > > > not
> > > > > know the exact change in tempo, it's probably closer
>
> > to
> > > > > .02%...maybe not quite that low, but you get the
> idea.
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was driving along tonight flipping around when I
>
> > > > noticed
> > > > >
> > > > > > something I had not picked up on before...103 is
> > > > pitching
> > > > > up
> > > > > > the music. Hollaback girl sounded like Bucky
> Beaver
> >
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > sex change...well not quite that bad...be the
> change
> >
> > > was
> > > >
> > > > > > obvious...then they went into 1985 and it sounded
> > > rushed
> > > >
> > > > > > too. I bet they are pitching them up about 2%
> > > > perhaps???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know some of the major market use this trick as
> > > means
> > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > force up tempo and to squeeze that extra tune in
> > every
> > >
> > > > > > hour...but I don't get it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I were the artist, I'd be fuming that someone
> > came
> > > > > along
> > > > > > and messed with my track. Has anyone else noticed
>
> > > this
> > > > > and
> > > > > > what is your opinion? I think it sounds
> > > > > > rediculous...especially when another station plays
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > same
> > > > > > tune at the same time and then the change sticks
> out
> >
> > > > like
> > > > > a
> > > > > > sore thumb.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

 

[killawatt]

Stevie the practice of record company edits didn't start 'till after the 80 and there have been club mixes available since the late 70's. Today's average CHR hit has one or 2 edits done by the record company because of either length of the song or lanugage in it - this is in addition to another 4 to 8 club mixes of the song from the US and UK. Most every top 10 market CHR has on staff a guy who does nothing but remix songs so that when you listen to their station, it's the only place you'll hear that particiular mix. As long as the artist is making money off of cd, special cd mix and improt mixes of their song I don't think they really give a crap.

> > 9 out of 10 radio edits are done by radio stations and not
>
> > record companies and artist. Streisend/Diamond's YOU
> DON"T
> > BRING ME FLOWERS was done at WMC-FM/Memphis...we paid
> > Jellybean to edit Duran Duran's The Reflex and Shelia E's
> > Glamorus Life - Shannon while at Z100 did over 50 radio
> > edits from his production room and the artist and record
> > companies were thrilled - otherwise they would not have
> > recieved the airpaly they did. It's the program
> director's
> > choice to play the record backwards if he/she wants. We
> call
> > artist that mind their songs being fooled with - an artist
>
> > with a one album deal.
>
> Most artists today are one album deals...you know...HIT
> RADIO...by the way when the promo cd's come in...they have
> RADIO EDIT already on them...so unless Scott Shannon and the
> likes are visiting the recording studio...the labels are
> putting their own edits out.
>
> Why don't you call a few artists and ask them how they feel
> about their tracks being screwed with? You may be surprised
> to see that don't think you should be able to do whatever
> you want with their track
>

 

[missaretha]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

> Its a 2% pitch adjustment NOT .02% and heck you don't get
> around much do ya...even like Crutcfield, heck I bet Paul
> and Tony's in town has high end CD players with Pitch
> Control. Look in the booth at Players...also cd players
> with pitch control. There used to be one in the prod room
> made by Sony...but we never used the pitch adjustment. It
> was just a feature we played with for kicks sometime.
>
> Oh and don't care what you say...speed up the track...you
> speed up the pitch and not just the tempo! The voice sounds
> noticably HIGHER...my Bucky comment was an
> exaggeration...but play Hollaback on 103 and spin it on 101
> at the same time and the change will jump right out at ya!

Steve,

I'm not argueing that you noticed a difference in the tempo/speed of the song. I know for a fact that it's sped up. Someone has now defined the term "pitching" as it's used in radio circles. It makes sense.

But I will not concede that you heard a higher voice (or key transposition) when you heard Hollaback Girl. And if you speed up the tempo, you do not automatically raise the pitch if you specifically choose to edit that way. If you speed up pitch, yes, pitch will change but only if you don't set it to leave the pitch (or key) the same.

 

[Iamtheradioman]

Re: It's not pitch, it's speed

OK!!!!! This message is for missaretha "pitching" a song up 2% will very much change the tempo of a song. 2% pitch would actually speed the speed song up almost 4 beats...that would be a noticable change. Argue with me if you want, but I knwo what I am talking about as I do it for 6 hours every Thursday night. That's all I wanted to say.

Steve nice job of picking on it...I have heard it too and thought I was hearing things.