105.3 The FAN comment

[KBland]

Sorry to bore anyone with more rippage of a frequently criticized station that I'm sure is a tired subject here, but I heard a promo on this station today that I found really ignorant.

Almost verbatim...so long, Cliff Lee, we hardly knew ya. Have fun in a city that cheers dog killers, and kills Santa Claus.

If that attracts any worthy demographic, I've learned something new.

 

[bucwhyl]

You see, that was the reason I changed my opinion about The Fan. One morning, they bashed Vick so bad, I turned the station. Everybody has their opinions on the subject, but that morning, they talked like this man should go somewhere and just die. I was pissed and disgusted.

 

[DFW_Radio_2000]

What's comical is what would they be saying if Jerry jones had signed Vick and he was playing this way for the cowboys? Sure you wouldn't hear comment like that from the sports station wannabe.

 

[bucwhyl]

And I see that now...

 

[evening times]

they just don't get the "shock value" thing

and man does their afternoon drive show suck. what the hell is that???

 

[Dal85]

I have been giving the Josh and Elf show a listen since Elf joined. Before that i gave Greggo and Whit a listen just to hear Greggo, I like the guy and wish him nothing but the best, but i cant stand Ritchie so i stopped tuning in.
The one thing i noticed though in my 2 weeks of checking out Josh and Elf is, man that station is really, really trying hard to be like the ticket now. Seems that they have takin on the stance of, if ya cant beat em...try to be just like em.
To me, Josh and Elf aint that bad, at least they dont interupt and step all over each other like Bob and Dan do.

 

[ButtnPushr]

On Monday, I tuned in to Josh & Elf for one segment. My first and last. They were discussing the NFL and pronounced Terrell Owens: "Tuh-'RELL Owens" and Matt Cassel: "Matt Cuh-'SELL". If you can't even say their names correctly, you obviously have NO credibility. After that, I flipped back to The Ticket..

 

[Sgt. Hans G. Schultz]

Sorry to bore anyone with more rippage of a frequently criticized station that I'm sure is a tired subject here, but I heard a promo on this station today that I found really ignorant.


That would be the the work of one Bruce Jill-bear.

 

[Sgt. Hans G. Schultz]

The one thing i noticed though in my 2 weeks of checking out Josh and Elf is, man that station is really, really trying hard to be like the ticket now.


Again, that is the influence of the little ticket's former PD, Bruce G.

 

[little1]

Again, that is the influence of the little ticket's former PD, Bruce G.

The problem Bruce is going to have is that there already is a Ticket in this market. So if he's going to try and recreate a sports itensive, but guy-talk friendly, irreverent station...well...the originator is already here...

To really succeed, they'll need to be something the Ticket isn't.

 

[oldmanradio]

Again, that is the influence of the little ticket's former PD, Bruce G.

The problem Bruce is going to have is that there already is a Ticket in this market. So if he's going to try and recreate a sports itensive, but guy-talk friendly, irreverent station...well...the originator is already here...

To really succeed, they'll need to be something the Ticket isn't.

When you listen to a so-called "all-sports station", do you want to hear sports talk, guy talk ... or both.

Personally, I just want to hear sports. Guy talk you can get from friends. As soon as that stuff starts, I hit the button trying, sometimes in vain, for some talk about sports.

Tony

 

[little1]

I'll take either, as long as it's interesting and/or funny.

I prefer sports talk, but find some subjects excessively boring. At that point, if they want to try mixing in 'guy talk' I might listen, especially if it's a well chosen subject that I find interesting, or find the hosts 'take' on it interesting.

Back when I first discovered the Ticket, Chuck Cooperstein used to talk to the offenisve coordinator from TCU on a regular basis. Great, a guy who's incredibly sports knowledgable but not very funny, talking to a guy who was completely uninteresting, about a subject that I have absolutely no interest in (college football, especially early 90's era TCU football,).

When the Hardline replaced Coop, and started talking WITH PASSION about The Soprano's, or the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, that's when I learned to appreciate good guy talk.

The ticket was a struggling mess before they ventured into guy talk and schtick, with the Musers in AM drive and Hardline in PM drive. And now they're a Marconi Winner, one of, if not the, market leader in Men 25-54, and one of the highest billers in the market.

There may not be a direct cause and effect relationship there, but there also very well might be. I know loads of casual sports fans. Who have very, VERY shallow opinions about sports. Very few of them can discuss in great depth whether the cowboys secondary would be better running a Tampa 2 defense, or what problems are exposed in their nickel package. A lot of people say they want hardcore sports, but ESPN's awful ratings prove that just isn't the case.

 

[salemjedi54]

I'll take either, as long as it's interesting and/or funny.

I prefer sports talk, but find some subjects excessively boring. At that point, if they want to try mixing in 'guy talk' I might listen, especially if it's a well chosen subject that I find interesting, or find the hosts 'take' on it interesting.

Back when I first discovered the Ticket, Chuck Cooperstein used to talk to the offenisve coordinator from TCU on a regular basis. Great, a guy who's incredibly sports knowledgable but not very funny, talking to a guy who was completely uninteresting, about a subject that I have absolutely no interest in (college football, especially early 90's era TCU football,).

When the Hardline replaced Coop, and started talking WITH PASSION about The Soprano's, or the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, that's when I learned to appreciate good guy talk.

The ticket was a struggling mess before they ventured into guy talk and schtick, with the Musers in AM drive and Hardline in PM drive. And now they're a Marconi Winner, one of, if not the, market leader in Men 25-54, and one of the highest billers in the market.

There may not be a direct cause and effect relationship there, but there also very well might be. I know loads of casual sports fans. Who have very, VERY shallow opinions about sports. Very few of them can discuss in great depth whether the cowboys secondary would be better running a Tampa 2 defense, or what problems are exposed in their nickel package. A lot of people say they want hardcore sports, but ESPN's awful ratings prove that just isn't the case.

To piggyback on to little 1...Remember this is ENTERTAINMENT. Rush Limbaugh/Howard Stern/Art Bell types would not be where they are now if they did not know how to entertain their listeners. Can the KTCK be brutal at sometimes...YES(especially when it comes to black folk) and I am die hard P1. What keeps me tuning in is the trainwreck that it can be, and I am entertained by that. I have tried to listen to the other sport talkers in this market, and none have the appeal that KTCK has, even with the KTCK castoffs that have found employment elsewhere.

 

[evening times]

Cant believe the great Gil-bear is running this station and it sounds like it does. Or could it be he isn't that great? The same people that made him so successful were there before him and they are still there now. Perhaps you need talented people to be a great PD?

 

[metroneck]

Cant believe the great Gil-bear is running this station and it sounds like it does. Or could it be he isn't that great? The same people that made him so successful were there before him and they are still there now. Perhaps you need talented people to be a great PD?

I think the Fan can win by default over time by just being half as good as KTCK, from just raw power (kW) and location (FM). When your star is a mush mouth KTCK reject, morning lead is queer as a $3 bill, and midday guys are spares. but score up with PPM's like this:

KRLD-FM 1.8 517,300 2.4 880,300 3.1 1,043,400 All Sports CBS Radio
KTCK-AM 2.4 338,800 2.7 407,500 3.0 484,000 Sports Cumulus

Then I guess you don't have to have the best people to be a great PD. You just need to know how to get the power to the street.

 

[Sgt. Hans G. Schultz]

I'll take either, as long as it's interesting and/or funny.

I prefer sports talk, but find some subjects excessively boring. At that point, if they want to try mixing in 'guy talk' I might listen, especially if it's a well chosen subject that I find interesting, or find the hosts 'take' on it interesting.

Back when I first discovered the Ticket, Chuck Cooperstein used to talk to the offenisve coordinator from TCU on a regular basis. Great, a guy who's incredibly sports knowledgable but not very funny, talking to a guy who was completely uninteresting, about a subject that I have absolutely no interest in (college football, especially early 90's era TCU football,).

When the Hardline replaced Coop, and started talking WITH PASSION about The Soprano's, or the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, that's when I learned to appreciate good guy talk.

The ticket was a struggling mess before they ventured into guy talk and schtick, with the Musers in AM drive and Hardline in PM drive. And now they're a Marconi Winner, one of, if not the, market leader in Men 25-54, and one of the highest billers in the market.

There may not be a direct cause and effect relationship there, but there also very well might be. I know loads of casual sports fans. Who have very, VERY shallow opinions about sports. Very few of them can discuss in great depth whether the cowboys secondary would be better running a Tampa 2 defense, or what problems are exposed in their nickel package. A lot of people say they want hardcore sports, but ESPN's awful ratings prove that just isn't the case.

To piggyback on to little 1...Remember this is ENTERTAINMENT. Rush Limbaugh/Howard Stern/Art Bell types would not be where they are now if they did not know how to entertain their listeners. Can the KTCK be brutal at sometimes...YES(especially when it comes to black folk) and I am die hard P1. What keeps me tuning in is the trainwreck that it can be, and I am entertained by that. I have tried to listen to the other sport talkers in this market, and none have the appeal that KTCK has, even with the KTCK castoffs that have found employment elsewhere.



Or to sum it up, in the words of Mike R. :

"We can do what they do. They can't do what we do!"

 

[little1]

but score up with PPM's like this:
KRLD-FM 1.8 517,300 2.4 880,300 3.1 1,043,400 All Sports CBS Radio
KTCK-AM 2.4 338,800 2.7 407,500 3.0 484,000 Sports Cumulus
Then I guess you don't have to have the best people to be a great PD. You just need to know how to get the power to the street.

[EDIT]Do you really think that the Fan hosts, and Bruce Gilbert as PD had anything to do with those numbers? [EDIT]and check out the dates of the Novmeber book. October 14th till November 14th. Now what was happening on 105.3 between those dates that would have caused their cume to double from September to November?

Think the World Series might be responsible for those inflated numbers? And what do you think is going to happen to those numbers next year, with no artifically inflated cume?

From what I'm hearing, the December weekly trends are already being cruel to 105.3. They've fallen from the top of the Men 25-54 dogpile, to the teens... Because, except for baseball, (and to echo SalemJedi), they're just not that entertaining....


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[jeffdfw]

You mean you didn't find Greggo sounding drunk on the air yesterday... making several coke references and annoying Sybil singing Christmas carols entertaining? Yeah, me neither.

 

[Old Jack]

When you listen to a so-called "all-sports station", do you want to hear sports talk, guy talk ... or both.

Personally, I just want to hear sports.  Guy talk you can get from friends.  As soon as that stuff starts, I hit the button trying, sometimes in vain, for some talk about sports.

Tony

Ah, but there is the rub. The Ticket beats the Fan at guy talk, and ESPN beats the Fan when it comes to pure sports talk. So either way, the Fan is screwed.

The only way I'd listen to the Fan is if they start airing Jim Rome and steal the Dan Patrick show and air it live. They can't compete with the Ticket, so they might as well try to beat the Mothership when it comes to national sports.

In other words, when your in third place in a three man race, you need to worry about catching the guy in second place before you even think of trying to catch the leader.

 

[metroneck]

but score up with PPM's like this:
KRLD-FM 1.8 517,300 2.4 880,300 3.1 1,043,400 All Sports CBS Radio
KTCK-AM 2.4 338,800 2.7 407,500 3.0 484,000 Sports Cumulus
Then I guess you don't have to have the best people to be a great PD. You just need to know how to get the power to the street.

[EDIT] Do you really think that the Fan hosts, and Bruce Gilbert as PD had anything to do with those numbers? [EDIT] and check out the dates of the Novmeber book. October 14th till November 14th. Now what was happening on 105.3 between those dates that would have caused their cume to double from September to November?

Think the World Series might be responsible for those inflated numbers? And what do you think is going to happen to those numbers next year, with no artifically inflated cume?

From what I'm hearing, the December weekly trends are already being cruel to 105.3. They've fallen from the top of the Men 25-54 dogpile, to the teens... Because, except for baseball, (and to echo SalemJedi), they're just not that entertaining....


[EDIT-disruption]

[EDIT]. Call it what you want, but my point is the Fan is getting some scoreboard sing BG came aboard. Oh, you're right...Cowboys must have popped em up a bit in Sept, then Rangers. Hell, now it's hockey season, maybe the stars will carry them through the winter..then...maybe some other SPORT helping get audience on a [EDIT] SPORTS station.

[EDIT]


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