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1190 KNUV TOLLESON/PHOENIX *SILENT*

Evidently liberals don't listen to radio, or they don't buy stuff.

If the numbers were there, the stations would be there, simple economics.

If there is a vast market, why hasn't it materialized?

Probably because liberal radio is just awful and the folks running it have no business sense.
 
Radio_Eng said:
The people responsible for the On Second Thought/1190 KNUV streaming are the old Nova M/On Second Thought bunch. I can't be sure, but according to someone at the building, the studios remain padlocked as of today (Mar 6), the computer automation is still operating so that could explain why it's still pumping the old KNUV commercials and promos onto the old stream. It is a little freaky to hear it. It sounded like the morning news on that stream was a replay of Dewey Hopper's news from Wednesday.

After getting burned on this LMA, it looks like KNUV's owner, New Radio Venture, intends to run the station itself from a new studio location downtown someplace. The LMA with Nova M was supposedly an interim step towards Nova M actually purchasing KNUV, which they never did. An LMA is probably not in the future. Then again, what if someone says they will buy the station? Ya just never know.

I discovered that the Nova M/On Second thought network shows, Nancy Skinner and Mike Malloy, are now feeding the satellite directly using ISDN. That's smart. It means they can hold on to the old Nova M network affiliates and keep a ready to go network. Detroit is set up as the new network location, but by whom? I wonder how this all came down, and who is funding the new ops? Lets see, who has money these days? I don't know anyone like that any more. :-X
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Hiya, could you please define LMA?
 
rockjock420 said:
WorkingClassHero said:
Hiya, could you please define LMA?
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Live Marching Ants. They are tiny ants tied to strings used to generate kinetic energy to pwoer transmitters. Hope this helps.
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local marketing agreement. essentially a group will lease the programming of a station from an owner. so while nova m aired its content on kphx and knuv, they did not own either station outright, as kphx flipped to 50s standards and knuv is only available online. the drobnys were in line to purchase knuv, but sheldon lost his mind/attempted suicide and nova m vaporized.
 
ctk said:
the drobnys were in line to purchase knuv, but sheldon lost his mind/attempted suicide and nova m vaporized.
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Another way to look at this situation...

Being able to both read and write, the Drobnys recognized that the Phoenix economy is in the crapper and the post-election dip in station revenue confirmed that, cooling their enthusiasm for the market. At roughly the same time, they were trying to negotiate the purchase of KNUV when they saw a similar property, KIDR, sell for about $1 million less--about 40 percent less--than New Radio Venture was asking for 1190, causing them to back off further. Then--the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back--Rhodes goes haywire and throws their nascent network into disarray, prompting them to say "screw this."

No doubt the Drobnys, like all investment brokers, have taken huge financial hits on Wall Street completely unrelated to the radio business, too.

So if Sheldon suffered an emotional breakdown, he's probably not alone--but the radio stuff was most likely just coincidental.
 
i really doubt that could have happened because if this was the case then they would have seen drops after the election, not before (right around the time manzo and farias got canned) and the plan was always to purchase 1190. i heard talk of why the billboards that were up suddenly came down BEFORE the election. the deal dropped not because rhodes went "crazy", but probably because there was no more money, which was a part of why rhodes went "crazy".
 
ctk said:
i really doubt that could have happened because if this was the case then they would have seen drops after the election, not before (right around the time manzo and farias got canned) and the plan was always to purchase 1190. i heard talk of why the billboards that were up suddenly came down BEFORE the election. the deal dropped not because rhodes went "crazy", but probably because there was no more money, which was a part of why rhodes went "crazy".
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ctk, it should be "haywire," not "crazy." If you're going to go to the trouble of quoting--complete with quotation marks--then ya gotta slip the right word in between the " and the ". And I never said that the plan to purchase 1190 was something new--just that the sale price of KIDR probably caused them to re-think shelling out $2.5 million for an equivalent property. Just like it would cause anyone else to re-think it.

You're right, of course--the blowup started with the Manzo/Farias departures. And Manzo, being Rhodes' friend and the guy who brought her into Nova M, was perhaps a key to Randi's eventual departure. We'll never really know--but, again, it's probably a safe bet. Hard to imagine she was thrilled to see her pal blown out... or leave on whatever terms.

Though, looking back, it might have been the departure (with Manzo & Farias) of the sales manager--whose exit might have been most directly related to a revenue drop--that was key. You can handle a lot of problems if sales stay strong, but when they go to hell in a handbasket everything else becomes a crisis.

I'm just suggesting that a lot of different things came together to make the Drobnys' decision to bail a fairly easy one.
 
formeraa said:
I agree about voices of MODERATION! However, Mike Malloy is simply the Rush Limbaugh of the left wing. Rush is equally offensive to those on the left as Mike is to those on the right. To be fair, Rush ([EDIT]) has a HUGE audience which is a sad commentary on our currently divided society.



[EDIT-content unrelated to radio and disruptive in nature]
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Rush doesn't use "those" words. You know which ones I'm talking about.
 
Did anyone ever trace how the Spanish-language programming got on KNUV? Is it being run directly by New Radio Ventures, or is there someone renting out the station, LMA or no?

As for On Second Thought/former Nova M, the idea I seem to get is that it doesn't exist in any form. The computer (as noted here) is running behind the padlocked doors. Mike Malloy has clearly stated that he's on his own now (where is he getting the money to rent satellite time???), and Nancy Skinner apparently has investors in Detroit that seem to have no connection to Dr. Mike Newcomb.

Both Skinner and Malloy have managed to put their satellite feeds, apparently, in the same spot as formerly occupied by Nova M/OST...or they've done a great job at getting their existing affiliates to keep going. (And Ms. Skinner's list is probably small...whatever Randi Rhodes affiliates didn't move to something else after it became apparent Randi wasn't coming back.)
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Did anyone ever trace how the Spanish-language programming got on KNUV? Is it being run directly by New Radio Ventures, or is there someone renting out the station, LMA or no?
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I know the station is being run by New Radio Venture now. There is no LMA.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
The computer (as noted here) is running behind the padlocked doors.
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maybe it is. maybe it isn't. nothing is being streamed although the links are working. during the last few days last week the ap news was way down low while everything else was normal.
 
By "money for the satellite time", I meant the money Mike Malloy is paying (presumably out of his own pocket now) to deliver his show up to bird for national distribution to affiliates. It sounds like both Malloy and Nancy Skinner have cut their own separate deals to rent satellite time from Westwood One - again, not the syndication arm of WW1, but the business that sells bulk time to outside programmers to get their shows to radio station affiliates. Every major radio network operator has this side business, including ABC Radio and Clear Channel.

This has nothing to do with his clearance (is he still on?) on Sirius XM. And you can't use commercial consumer satellite radio to feed over-air stations. (Well, you could rig together something, but it's not practical and not broadcast quality, let alone the fact it wouldn't send the automation tones to the affiliates :D)

As far as the "Nova M Streaming Behind Padlocked Doors", that was the first few days after those doors were locked. I haven't tried the old Nova M stream since then, and presume it's now down.
 
Does anyone happen to know the bankruptcy case number? I know that's a weird question, but when I call the bankruptcy court, they can't find it for me. I must not be getting the company name exactly right. Anyone?

Thanks.
 
Are you checking in Phoenix or Colorado?

KNUV
TOLLESON AZ US
NEW RADIO VENTURE, INC.
8547 EAST ARAPAHOE ROAD #J-451
GREENWOOD VILLAGE CO 80112
303-680-3281
 
"If the numbers were there, the stations would be there, simple economics.

If there is a vast market, why hasn't it materialized?"

I consider the above to be a classic example of the shallow, brainless posts that are unfortunately too common around here. And the economics referenced in this post are simple indeed--a bit too simplistic, actually.

If we have learned one thing from the global financial crisis of the past year it is that markets can screw up in royal fashion. If there is one thing we have learned in particular from the auto industry crisis, it is that very large and once-profitable companies can grossly fail to grasp demands of the marketplace, and the radio industry is even worse at this--that's one reason why there are so many penny stocks in the radio industry these days.

I'll cite just one of many examples. Clear Channel's 620 frequency switched formats to progressive talk in the spring of 2004 and as of one recent book, was the only one of six talk stations in that market (all of the others are righties, except for one comedy-talk station) to show up in the top ten, 25-54. I suppose the above poster would have us believe that this market for progressive talk emerged out of nowhere in 2004 and didn't exist for years before, when the market for such a product was totally unserved in Portland.

Oh, how about another larger and probably better example. In the early 80's the market-oriented wizards running New York radio told us there was no demand for a Top 40 station. That was a little before the arrival of Scott Shannon and a little known station usually referenced as "Z-100."

It's time to re-think so-called "market-oriented" economics right along with right-wing politics, both of which are being relegated to the ash-heap of history.
 
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