12 channel cable systems

[azumanga]

Here is another possible one. Easton, MO

Used to be St Joe Cablevision ut now its supposedly Suddenlink.....yet the SL site wont print a channel lineup
zip 64443 on zap2it

2 MeTV Kansas City
4 KNPN Fox St Joe
5 KCTV CBS KC
6 KSMO My KC
7 KCWE CW KC
8 KCPT PBS KC
9 KQTV ABC St Joe
11 KTAJ TBN
12 KSHB NBC KC
13 KMCI Ind KC

which matches pretty much a pdf when it was St Joe Cable
Easton, Missouri Channel Line Up of St. Joseph Cablevision
Effective March 1, 2010
BASIC SERVICE
2 KMBC (Weather)
4 WDAF (Fox)
5 KCTV (CBS)
6 KSMO (IND)
7 KCWE (CW)
8 KCPT (PBS)
11 KTAJ (IND)
12 KSHB (NBC)
13 KMCI (IND)
*Prices and Channels are subject to change. We reserve the right to correct any errors or omissions.

Find it hard to believe that that cable system offers no cable or speciality channels at all -- it's practically nothing more than a shared TV antenna (which was what cable TV was for in the early days).

 

[Mr Tony]

With KC being 45 miles away and at the time only KQ2 from St Joe available locally I can see something like that...but its crazy that there is no "cable" channels

 

[Mr Tony]

Union Star is also a simple setup...was St Joe Cable but now is Suddenlink

Union Star
3 MeTV
4 Fox St Joe
5 CBS KC
6 CW KC
8 NBC KC
9 ABC St Joe
10 ABC KC
11 PBS KC
12 TBN
13 PBS Create

 

[Mr Tony]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

 

[Poledo]

You're listings say "basic". Do these systems offer any other "packages"?

 

[crainbebo]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

OK - there was NO ABC on any of these systems!?! I'm sure 99.9% have satellite!

-crainbebo

 

[azumanga]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

OK - there was NO ABC on any of these systems!?! I'm sure 99.9% have satellite!

Or Fox. And two of them don't even have PBS, which I think is a no-no by FCC regulations.

 

[willdav713]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

OK - there was NO ABC on any of these systems!?! I'm sure 99.9% have satellite!

Or Fox. And two of them don't even have PBS, which I think is a no-no by FCC regulations.

If PBS is not an OTA station in that town, I don't see why they would be mandated to carry them.

Must-carry rules in the 1992 Cable Act changed after the 1996 Telecom Act. Now a days, Cable systems can refuse to air Fox, NBC, CBS, and you would have to purchase an A/B switch, OTA Converter Box, and an antenna to view said channels the cable company refuses to allow on their network due to contractual arrangements.

 

[Mr Tony]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

OK - there was NO ABC on any of these systems!?! I'm sure 99.9% have satellite!

-crainbebo

KTEN (NBC) now carries ABC on the -3 but it wasn't until 2010

 

[Mr Tony]

Here are some copies of channel listings from a pdf (since I can't post them) for some REAL small cable co's in Oklahoma
pdf is dated 1/17/09 so before the DTV conversion

yes these are the "cable" offerings in these 3 towns

Sand Point
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 PBS 13-KETA-OKC
4 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
8 Spike
9 WTBS
10 ESPN
11 CNN

Stringtown
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
10 CNN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN

Wapanucka
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
5 WTBS
6 CNN
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family

OK - there was NO ABC on any of these systems!?! I'm sure 99.9% have satellite!

Or Fox. And two of them don't even have PBS, which I think is a no-no by FCC regulations.

doing a quick tvfool run at 35 feet the only one who can pick up a PBS translator is Sand Point (the translator out of Durand). The other 2 markets it shows as negative on the report.
This looks like the ultimate G5 setup....they had a couple C-Band dishes aimed at G5 and thats the cable offerings. the 2 nets were harvested OTA

 

[Markxxx]

If PBS is not an OTA station in that town, I don't see why they would be mandated to carry them.

Must-carry rules in the 1992 Cable Act changed after the 1996 Telecom Act. Now a days, Cable systems can refuse to air Fox, NBC, CBS, and you would have to purchase an A/B switch, OTA Converter Box, and an antenna to view said channels the cable company refuses to allow on their network due to contractual arrangements.

From The FCC website

Every cable system across the country must carry at least one local noncommercial educational ("NCE") station. A noncommercial station which places a digital noise limited service contour (“NLSC”), see section 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(e) of the Commission’s rules, over a cable system's principal headend, or whose city of license is within fifty miles of the cable system's principal headend, is considered "local" for this purpose. Cable systems with more than 36 channels may be required to carry all local noncommercial educational television stations which request carriage. Any cable system operating in a market where no local NCE station is available is required to import one NCE station.

 

[Poledo]

From The FCC website

Every cable system across the country must carry at least one local noncommercial educational ("NCE") station. A noncommercial station which places a digital noise limited service contour (“NLSC”), see section 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(e) of the Commission’s rules, over a cable system's principal headend, or whose city of license is within fifty miles of the cable system's principal headend, is considered "local" for this purpose. Cable systems with more than 36 channels may be required to carry all local noncommercial educational television stations which request carriage. Any cable system operating in a market where no local NCE station is available is required to import one NCE station.

So if a system was going to import a PBS station what are the options? Are WNET from NYC or that big PBS in Washington DC available from a bird?

Could that law be interpreted to allow a cable system to carry a TBN affiliate instead of a PBS affiliate? Or in other words are non-commercial and non-commercial educational synonyms in FCC terms?

 

[gbranch]

So if a system was going to import a PBS station what are the options? Are WNET from NYC or that big PBS in Washington DC available from a bird?

There is a PBS National Feed that Directv provides to the few markets without a local PBS station. However, you would think that the systems in OK would carry the state-run PBS network, OETA, either channel 13 OTA, or off of a sat.

 

[Mr Tony]

Stringtown "upgraded" their cable per titantv...well not really
They added the extra locals but pretty much lost everything else

2 KXII CBS
3 KTEN NBC
4 KTENDT2 CW
5 KTENDT3 ABC
6 KETA PBS
7 LOCAL
8 CSPAN1
9 KXIIDT3 FOX
10 TBN
11 SHOPNBC
12 KXIIDT2 MY
13 CSPAN2
14 HBO

 

[Mr Tony]

Wapanucka updated
Basic
2 CBS 12-KXII-Sherman
3 NBC 10-KTEN-Sherman
4 KETS PBS
5 WTBS
8 ESPN
9 CNN HN
11 ABC Family
12 WGN
13 SPIKE
14 CNN
15 DISCOVERY

 

[Mr Tony]

So if a system was going to import a PBS station what are the options? Are WNET from NYC or that big PBS in Washington DC available from a bird?

There is a PBS National Feed that Directv provides to the few markets without a local PBS station. However, you would think that the systems in OK would carry the state-run PBS network, OETA, either channel 13 OTA, or off of a sat.

at the time of the pdf (2009) OETA was on satellite (79W 4DTV)...its now on 125W KU Band with all the other national PBS feeds
But looking at the channel charts it looked like at the time if it wasn't on analog satellite it wasn't carried

 

[Darth_vader]

"125W Ku-band, with all the other national PBS feeds."

Otherwise known as AMC-21, DVB transponders 20-24. They're all in the clear, as far as I know.

http://lyngsat.com/AMC-21.html

 

[Mr Tony]

"125W Ku-band, with all the other national PBS feeds."

Otherwise known as AMC-21, DVB transponders 20-24. They're all in the clear, as far as I know.

http://lyngsat.com/AMC-21.html

correct but as an active FTA'er orbital slots work better...satellite names change all the time

and other than one transponder (feed) the rest are actually DVB-S2 now.

 

[TheRob]

I still remember when we had a 12-channel lineup, back in the '80s.

2. MTV (KQTV prior to late 1982/early 1983)
3. KEKR - ind
4. WDAF- nbc
5. KCMO - cbs
6 local cablevision
7. KCPT - pbs
8. KSNT - nbc
9. KMBC - abc
10. TBS
11. KTWU - pbs
12. KSHB - ind
13. WIBW - cbs

Awesome, huh? We really scored when we upgraded to the cable box with a loud button to press for each channel. We went up to channel 22 at that time.

My great grandmother had a bizarre TV with 12 channels, but each "number" had a VHF/UHF dial requiring you to tune to the station, and lock it in. She lived in the Wichita DMA, so conceivably one could tune KAKE on all 12 channels as a practical joke if desired.

 

[Poledo]

My neighbor had one of those TVs with individual tuners for all 12 channels... This was back when the UHF dial went up into the 80s. After the cable co started offering the box to add 10 additional channels we tinkered with her TV and got channel 4 fine tuned to show CATV channel 21, which was MTV at the time. For some reason we could only fine tune channel 4 to get MTV which was a problem for her dad because channel 4 was supposed to be ESPN. Eventually we got smart and fine tuned PBS channel 8 to pick up ESPN channel 4 and left MTV on channel 4.

The only time in my life that I had a chance to see the "Thriller" video was on her TV while we were stealing MTVs signal without paying for the box. After we all upgraded to cable boxes MTV had stopped playing Thriller in regular rotation.