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The FCC lists WINW as a 'deleted facility record,' technically as DWINW. No idea when they turned the license in.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=8549
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=8549
Last September, The Ohio Media Watch did a story on WINW. Their transmitter site was vandalized and thieves took cooper. Apparently, the owners thought it was best to go off the air then repair the damages and return to the air.
More from The Ohio Media Watch:
http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/winw-off-the-air/
More from The Ohio Media Watch:
http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/winw-off-the-air/
The FCC tried to contact the WINW licensee last January, inquiring about why they didn't notify the Commission on when they went silent.
Here is the letter the FCC sent to the station:
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=23744
Maybe the WINW licensee didn't respond the this letter, so the FCC canceled their license?
Here is the letter the FCC sent to the station:
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=23744
Maybe the WINW licensee didn't respond the this letter, so the FCC canceled their license?
gabigley1 said:
I guest-wrote that post. From what I remember (and I just got confirmation from someone in that area), they did resume operations with a temporary wire antenna shortly after that theft. I have no idea how long it lasted.
Bear in mind a very salient point I heard elsewhere: WINW's four towers are situated in-between a creek, and the area is very flood prone. I wouldn't be shocked if the nasty winter weather (and recent flooding) doomed WINW for good. Supposedly, one or more of the towers is also very unstable and prone to collapse.
Quite frankly, WINW may have been beyond repair.
The building where the WINW transmitter is located are the former WRQK studios. Now that the LMA to Clear Channel is over and CC owns WRQK outright as of March 1st, the little red house on Martindale Road is for sale by Cumulus. Perhaps they didn't want a tenant and the station was in the way. The ad suggests the towers be removed.
http://www.cutlerhomes.com/p/259/31...&corpowned=&pastdays=&sort=&single=&limit=10&
http://www.cutlerhomes.com/p/259/31...&corpowned=&pastdays=&sort=&single=&limit=10&
pwayne1 said:
The FCC(see my post above) has this to say, today, about why they canceled the license for WINW, 1520 in Canton:
"It was canceled for failure to respond."
Want to guess why the WINW owner didn't respond to the letter? Of course, there was no need to respond if they had no intention of ever returning to the air. It obvious they didn't or couldn't return to the air but could they have sold the station?
Did a google search for WINW and note they were Top 40 back in the 60s:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WINW
And some WINW studio photos from the 60s:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radio_daze/5436224258/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/radio_daze/5435615463/
gabigley1 said:
Again, WINW's transmitter site was in sorry shape even before this rough winter took place. The copper theft in September did not help in any way whatsoever.
And as I said earlier, it's been confirmed that WINW returned to the air with a temporary wire transmitter. Pinebrook (WINW's owner) must have not felt it was worth it to make the permanent repairs. Especially when any - or ALL - of the four towers could easily run the risk of collapse since being on such a flood-prone area.
It's difficult to report on this, especially since WINW's signal was aimed totally away not just from my home in Lorain County, but at any point north of Massillon and Canton. WINW and WJMP/1520 in Kent - from day one in 1966 - suffered from the ultimate short-spacing nightmare. And it's almost impossible to determine when Pinebrook pulled the plug, as no one I know was a regular listener to WINW.
The FCC cancellation also could have come from Pinebrook's willingness to forfeit the license, meaning the description of 'failure to respond' was a technicality.
Does this mean WJMP can apply for a signal upgrade now, like maybe getting up to 5k watts daytime? I wonder, but I doubt Media-Com will bother since it'll still have to be a daytimer, and I don't think they'll get a decent ROI after upgrading, unless they sell it, but who's buying? Chris Lash maybe?
I was wondering the same thing. But WINW has been silent before. Do they need to be silent for a minimum period of time? But their license has been returned to the FCC so,, what's next for Kent?
I had some car problems fixed, and a bit of time after family business today, and drove down to Martindale.
Yes, there's a big Cutler real estate "for sale" sign out front.
Yes, the station is off the air, though there's a hum on 1520 basically within walking distance of the parking lot, enough to stop the scan on a car radio. Underneath, I heard WHBC (!) and a very weak WJMP depending on where I was parked (WHBC in the station parking lot, WJMP a block or two down Martindale)
VERY weak. WJMP put a static-y signal into southern Summit County with WINW gone, but it was far from listenable...much like it is in Akron NOW.
I'll leave it to those more technically inclined to explain why there was a hum on 1520 in the immediate area of the station, and the WHBC spill-over (it wasn't splash, it was a copyable signal, if weak).
All four towers are still there, though they very much look llke a stiff wind and more flooded ground could take 'em down. I didn't see any evidence of a long wire, but I wasn't really looking hard for it.
The trip down there gave me a chance to pick up WIVM's DTV signal, though I had to drive a bit farther east to get a lock on it...the tower is nearly in Alliance.
Yes, there's a big Cutler real estate "for sale" sign out front.
Yes, the station is off the air, though there's a hum on 1520 basically within walking distance of the parking lot, enough to stop the scan on a car radio. Underneath, I heard WHBC (!) and a very weak WJMP depending on where I was parked (WHBC in the station parking lot, WJMP a block or two down Martindale)
VERY weak. WJMP put a static-y signal into southern Summit County with WINW gone, but it was far from listenable...much like it is in Akron NOW.
I'll leave it to those more technically inclined to explain why there was a hum on 1520 in the immediate area of the station, and the WHBC spill-over (it wasn't splash, it was a copyable signal, if weak).
All four towers are still there, though they very much look llke a stiff wind and more flooded ground could take 'em down. I didn't see any evidence of a long wire, but I wasn't really looking hard for it.
The trip down there gave me a chance to pick up WIVM's DTV signal, though I had to drive a bit farther east to get a lock on it...the tower is nearly in Alliance.
Prediction mode: Kaiser Bill does NOTHING with 1520/Kent, even if DWINW stays D.
Even without Canton, he still has big problems...Canton's exit from the 1520 dial position doesn't help his signal north of downtown Akron. He has other problems (among them, 1510 Norwalk) in that direction. WINW isn't what forces WJMP's signal up the 480 corridor.
And of course, WJMP will forever be a daytimer.
Converting 29/35 to DTV will be their priority, as analog LPTV is going away at some point.
Even without Canton, he still has big problems...Canton's exit from the 1520 dial position doesn't help his signal north of downtown Akron. He has other problems (among them, 1510 Norwalk) in that direction. WINW isn't what forces WJMP's signal up the 480 corridor.
And of course, WJMP will forever be a daytimer.
Converting 29/35 to DTV will be their priority, as analog LPTV is going away at some point.
The last time Kaiser Bill did any significant thing with WJMP, it was the nearly-year long stunt of playing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" for the duration of the 1994 MLB Players Strike (of course, the stunt was only limited to the daylight hours).
WINW's departure from 1520 won't open up any nighttime hours for WJMP, but they could let out their pattern to the south and possible ditch a couple of the six towers they're using now. They could potentially increase power, but even if they kept it at 1kw, there would be less tower maintenance and engineering problems keeping such a critical pattern within specs.
You'd think they would take the opportunity to re-direct their signal to where there is more (local) population,, especially to the south.
Update:
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x2108617710/Christian-station-hampered-by-theft-tangled-in-red-tape
Last month they applied for an STA with the FCC to start broadcasting again:
Exhibits Exhibit 38
Description: REASON FOR STA
THE LICENSEE OF DWINW HEREBY REQUESTS SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO RESUME OPERATIONS WITH ITS FORMERLY LICENSED FACILITIES PENDING CONSIDERATION OF A PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE CANCELLATION OF THE WINW LICENSE AND THE SUBMISSION AND PROCESSING OF A NEW APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE. AS THE COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN INFORMED, PINEBROOK CORPORATION WAS UNAWARE THAT ITS APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE HAD BEEN DISMISSED. IT CONTINUED OPERATING UNTIL FEBRUARY 23, 2011, AT WHICH TIME THE THEFT OF COPPER FROM THE GROUND SYSTEM AND ACCOMPANYING DAMAGE TO THE STATION'S TRANSMITTER CAUSED THE STATION TO CEASE OPERATIONS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE LICENSEE BECAME AWARE THAT ITS LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION HAD BEEN DISMISSED, AND THAT THE STATION DID NOT HAVE A CURRENT AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE.
THE REPAIR OF THE STATION'S TRANSMITTER IS NOW VIRTUALLY COMPLETE, AND THE STATION WISHES TO RECOMMENCE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. REINSTATEMENT OF ITS LICENSE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE TO FILE A NEW LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION, BUT THE LICENSEE WILL DO SO ONCE IT CAN. IN THE INTERIM, THE LICENSEE IS SEEKING SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO RESUME OPERATION PENDING CONSIDERATION OF ITS REQUEST FOR LICENSE REINSTATEMENT AND THE FILING AND CONSIDERATION OF A NEW LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION TO REPLACE THE ONE WHICH WAS DISMISSED. ALLOWING THE STATION TO RESUME SERVICE WITH ITS FORMERLY LICENSED FACILITIES WILL SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY ALLOWING THE STATION TO PROVIDE PROGRAMMING IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND WILL NOT PREJUDICE THE COMMISSION'S DECISION WITH REGARD TO ITS LICENSE REINSTATEMENT AND RENEWAL.
http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x2108617710/Christian-station-hampered-by-theft-tangled-in-red-tape
Last month they applied for an STA with the FCC to start broadcasting again:
Exhibits Exhibit 38
Description: REASON FOR STA
THE LICENSEE OF DWINW HEREBY REQUESTS SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO RESUME OPERATIONS WITH ITS FORMERLY LICENSED FACILITIES PENDING CONSIDERATION OF A PETITION FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THE CANCELLATION OF THE WINW LICENSE AND THE SUBMISSION AND PROCESSING OF A NEW APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE. AS THE COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN INFORMED, PINEBROOK CORPORATION WAS UNAWARE THAT ITS APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE HAD BEEN DISMISSED. IT CONTINUED OPERATING UNTIL FEBRUARY 23, 2011, AT WHICH TIME THE THEFT OF COPPER FROM THE GROUND SYSTEM AND ACCOMPANYING DAMAGE TO THE STATION'S TRANSMITTER CAUSED THE STATION TO CEASE OPERATIONS. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE LICENSEE BECAME AWARE THAT ITS LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION HAD BEEN DISMISSED, AND THAT THE STATION DID NOT HAVE A CURRENT AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE.
THE REPAIR OF THE STATION'S TRANSMITTER IS NOW VIRTUALLY COMPLETE, AND THE STATION WISHES TO RECOMMENCE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC. REINSTATEMENT OF ITS LICENSE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE TO FILE A NEW LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION, BUT THE LICENSEE WILL DO SO ONCE IT CAN. IN THE INTERIM, THE LICENSEE IS SEEKING SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO RESUME OPERATION PENDING CONSIDERATION OF ITS REQUEST FOR LICENSE REINSTATEMENT AND THE FILING AND CONSIDERATION OF A NEW LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION TO REPLACE THE ONE WHICH WAS DISMISSED. ALLOWING THE STATION TO RESUME SERVICE WITH ITS FORMERLY LICENSED FACILITIES WILL SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST BY ALLOWING THE STATION TO PROVIDE PROGRAMMING IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND WILL NOT PREJUDICE THE COMMISSION'S DECISION WITH REGARD TO ITS LICENSE REINSTATEMENT AND RENEWAL.
gabigley1 said:
There is more here, posted by the Primary (tm):
http://ohiomediawatch.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/entering-july/
Bottom line is, the red tape is extensive. As confused as I was trying to write the March article about DWINW, there seems to be no alleviation to the confusion. Especially since no one can claim a confirmation about who is the actual license holder. One would think a station owner would care about the station and would try to make any effort to return it to the air.
DWINW could come back, but the chances are slim. I didn't realize that the transmitter site has been vandalized multiple times. Plus the eventual new owner of WINW's transmitter site and former studios - which Cumulus is selling off - has the right to tear down the clear hazard that is WINW's tower array. That is more than a safe bet... and when it does, WINW cannot return to the air in any form whatsoever, unless the mystery owner can foot the bill to set up a replacement array that protects WJMP.
I don't see WINW returning to the air.
Further proof that radio, in general, and AM radio in particular, is not dead. In this crazy case, dead would equal no interest in reviving the station.
Clearly, there is interest. The fact that there is interest in reviving a signal-hampered, small AM facility in these days when so many yell..."nobody listens to AM anymore" is further proof that radio is not dying and indicates (proves?) that there is an audience for the station. With all that said, I must confess that I'm increasingly of the opinion that AM radio listening (we would all be) better off with less small AM's on-the-air due to their lack of ability to have sufficient signal strength and interference problems at night.
Clearly, there is interest. The fact that there is interest in reviving a signal-hampered, small AM facility in these days when so many yell..."nobody listens to AM anymore" is further proof that radio is not dying and indicates (proves?) that there is an audience for the station. With all that said, I must confess that I'm increasingly of the opinion that AM radio listening (we would all be) better off with less small AM's on-the-air due to their lack of ability to have sufficient signal strength and interference problems at night.
That whole ownership thing baffles me, and baffled me when I wrote the most recent update.
The FCC says the owner is Pinebrook Corporation, with Patrick Barb as president, with the station's address listed as a Cuyahoga Falls P.O. Box.
The FCC sent the original letter there, and if you note the returned FCC envelope provided in the station's exhibit, it says "unclaimed". Not "returned" or such..."unclaimed". Does Patrick Barb not check his P.O. Box?
He has virtually no involvement in the effort to take the "D" off of "DINW". The station's time broker, who claims in the newspaper that he's finalized a deal to buy the thing - is behind it. There's only what appears to be a letter someone put in front of Mr. Barb saying the facts are correct. Everything else is presented by the broker/operator and his lawyer.
in the eyes of the FCC, Patrick Barb's Pinebrook Corporation is the licensee, and Mr. Perry is but a time broker, no matter how much money he's paid to "buy the station". It's a very curious way to try to get back on the air.
As I said in the item, it does appear that (D)WINW is a useful service to Canton's African-American community, and I hope it returns. This just seems to be a convoluted way to do it...and why has Mr. Perry supposedly paid enough money to buy the thing, but Mr. Barb hasn't filed a transfer application for THREE YEARS?
The FCC says the owner is Pinebrook Corporation, with Patrick Barb as president, with the station's address listed as a Cuyahoga Falls P.O. Box.
The FCC sent the original letter there, and if you note the returned FCC envelope provided in the station's exhibit, it says "unclaimed". Not "returned" or such..."unclaimed". Does Patrick Barb not check his P.O. Box?
He has virtually no involvement in the effort to take the "D" off of "DINW". The station's time broker, who claims in the newspaper that he's finalized a deal to buy the thing - is behind it. There's only what appears to be a letter someone put in front of Mr. Barb saying the facts are correct. Everything else is presented by the broker/operator and his lawyer.
in the eyes of the FCC, Patrick Barb's Pinebrook Corporation is the licensee, and Mr. Perry is but a time broker, no matter how much money he's paid to "buy the station". It's a very curious way to try to get back on the air.
As I said in the item, it does appear that (D)WINW is a useful service to Canton's African-American community, and I hope it returns. This just seems to be a convoluted way to do it...and why has Mr. Perry supposedly paid enough money to buy the thing, but Mr. Barb hasn't filed a transfer application for THREE YEARS?
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