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2 part question (Help) WMJQ 92.5 WHFM 98.9

Hey Guys:

First let me say RIP WBCN (legendary AOR) Boston!! Let's here it for CBS!! :mad: Didn't they learn from CBS-FM???

Anyway, I was wondering if anybody can help me with 92.5 when it was WMJQ. This is the info I have. Could you tell me if I am correct.

-WNWZ changed to WMJQ Soft AC Magic 92 in 1977.

-WMJQ Soft AC changed to AOR Q-92 or 92MJQ in 1978.

-WMJQ AOR changed to Top 40 Q-92 in 1982

I saw in the broadcast yearbooks WMJQ was listed as Classical and I know this is not right.

And can anybody tell me the history of WHFM from 1968 to 1985. Was it true that it was Top 40 FM 99 in those years?

Thanks for your help clearing this up for me. I have been doing some radio history research on Rochester. Very interesting.

T.J.
 
Prior to WNWZ, 92.5 had the callsign WBFB, and during that time it did run a classical format. Of course, it was co-owned with WBBF.

I didn't start listening to WHFM until 1971 (and the signal was a difficult catch at my location near Syracuse) but in the early '70s it was indeed automated Top 40. (Actually, a lot of records were played that weren't "hits", but that's the subject of a different thread) Later in the '70s, WHFM went live but I'm not really sure when the format was changed.
 
In the mid 1970s WHFM did have live announcers that included Paul Barsky.
The station played top 40 music and went by the handle M-99, later known at FM 99, or visa versa; I can't remember because it was over 30 years ago since I worked for sister station WHAM.

What happened is that just as WHFM was starting to generate an audience, the owner of the station decided to fire the staff and go automated.

Instead of playing the "hits" the next PD featured tunes no one heard of just because he received an award for a song that he once aired. The result was a decline in listeners who were sick and tired of hearing the same unfamiliar tunes played continuously.

It's a real shame because WHFM could have been a real leader in Rochester radio as more and more people were starting to listen to FM during the 1970s.

Unfortunately the station, like many across the county, fell victim to owners and managers who had no clue how to program radio and instead hired out-of-town consultants who came in, fired staff, changed formats, then took their money and ran after leaving the station in shambles.
 
IIRC Barsky started in the Rochester market at the old WAXC in 1977. He was let go in the spring of '78 as part of house cleaning as WAXC prepared to flip to a full service AC as 3WG. He then went to WHFM where he would eventually team with Marc Cronin mornings. He then went to WBBF for a brief stay in 1980 before leaving for Philadelphia.
 
t.j. said:
-WNWZ changed to WMJQ Soft AC Magic 92 in 1977.

-WMJQ Soft AC changed to AOR Q-92 or 92MJQ in 1978.

-WMJQ AOR changed to Top 40 Q-92 in 1982

Just one small correction: WMJQ was known as “Magic 92” while AOR for a time before switching to “92MJQ” (as the latter, it used the liners “Kick a** rock ’n’ roll” and, on bumper stickers, “I’m a rocker”—ridiculed by some). The station didn’t become “Q92” until the flip to CHR. It later dropped “Q92” and evolved into more of a hot AC as “92.5FM WMJQ.”

Your dates seem about right. You didn’t ask about the flip to country, but in case you don’t know, WMJQ reprised AOR “Magic 92” for a single day—April Fool’s Day 1987 (“the Magic is back”)—before becoming WBEE at about midnight April 2. (The flip to “the Bee” followed a botched segue from Night Ranger’s “Goodbye”—fooled by the false ending—and represented a major triumph for those of us at crosstown CHR rival 98PXY.)

This seems like quite some project you’re working on, T.J., based on your number of posts and queries. For pre-1970 Rochester radio history, the Rochester Public Library printed, in July 1970, Radio and Television in the Life of Rochester, by former City Historian Blake McKelvey. Part of the library’s Rochester History series, the booklet is very nicely written and a great resource for radio junkies like us!

Mike
 
An aside:

Many on this board likely are familiar with the rumor that WBEE stood for “We’ve Been Everything Else”: classical, all news, AC, AOR, CHR, hot AC and, finally, country. Twenty-two years later—including 6+ years working at the Bee in the ’90s—I’ve yet to find anyone who can confirm the speculation about the call letters. Whether the truth or a Rochester “urban legend,” it’s fun trivia! :)
 
Mike Saffran said:
Many on this board likely are familiar with the rumor that WBEE stood for “We’ve Been Everything Else”
Good one! That has to be more humourous than the very fact that there's both a "bee" and a "buzz" in the same market!

(too bad they're not both country stations, lol)
 
Top 40 WHFM debutted in either later 1967 or sometime in 1968. It was totally automated, and used PAMS jingles..... the series #, I don't recall, but they were thye same set of ("Go-Go") jingles that WABC used around 1965. ("You're on the Merry Go-Go-Round".....) - My impression then was that ownership had PLANNED to launch top 40 WHFM in 1965 but never did; because of the older jingles.... at a time when no station was ordering "classic jingles".

The sole announcer was Peter Grobe. His photo was on the weekly WHFM music survey sheet, found in local record stores. The unique thing about him being "the announcer/DJ" was that all songs were recorded onto carts WITH his short voiced intro. So one would her Peter saying the same thing every time that certain song was played. Same & Dave's "I Thank You", for example, was always introduced with "Give a listen to the NOW sound of Sam & Dave!" This got tiring rather fast. And of course, the carousel automated cart machine was known to play 2 songs at the same time, occasionally.

There were always rumors that WHAM management/ownership would always alter or change the WHFM format whenever the station started climbing in the ratings, resulting in a drop in the ratings after the change. Purpose of that would be to protect WHAM's ratings. Better to have WHAM at a 15 share and WHFM at a 1 share, than 12 and 4.

During the first few years of Top 40 WHFM, it seemed to have little effect on WBBF-950.
And of course, it was hard to take away ratings from WSAY-1370 in those days.

be big, be a builder!
---BB
 
"During the first few years of Top 40 WHFM, it seemed to have little effect on WBBF-950."

Nothing much did, until two things happened almost simultaneously; first, around 1969-70 teen and young adult listeners discovered FM and found a station that had started playing what they were curious about and wanted to hear (WCMF), and then on the first Monday of 1972 someone gave BBF some genuine high energy competition with a better AM signal (WAXC). BBF didn't shrivel up and go away, but the folks at 850 Midtown Tower had to do a lot of retooling in order to survive another decade until their signal limitations, competition, and FM all finally caught up with them.

"And of course, it was hard to take away ratings from WSAY-1370 in those days."

A lot of people found ways to waste what in technical terms was the city's second-best AM signal...it wouldn't become the second-best AM in terms of audience numbers until the 1990s.

"be big, be a builder!"

Or as I once heard one of their more uninhibited announcers say, "be big...be a building."
 
Bob1370 said:
"And of course, it was hard to take away ratings from WSAY-1370 in those days."

A lot of people found ways to waste what in technical terms was the city's second-best AM signal...it wouldn't become the second-best AM in terms of audience numbers until the 1990s.

"be big, be a builder!"

Or as I once heard one of their more uninhibited announcers say, "be big...be a building."

As much as we sometimes kid about WSAY under the ownership of Gordon Brown at least give the old guy credit for opening the door to a number of people by giving them their first radio job.

WSAY was, in most part, a training ground for a number of announcers who went on to bigger and better things. How many stations offer that today?

Be Big, Be A Building ;D That's the first time I heard that one!
 
Hey Guys:

Got some info on WHFM that I would like to share. I talked to Peter Grobe who was the GM and voice guy for WHFM from 1967 to 1971.

WHFM was (auto) Beautiful Music from 1964 to 1967. It was changed to (Auto) Progressive Rock in 1967, then changed to (auto) Top 40 in July 1970. I saw a top 40 survey from WHFM dated July 20, 1970. Logo"98.9 WHFM" then logo changed in 1971 to FM 99 WHFM "The hits sound better on FM 99.

Just thought I should share this!! Thanks again for all of your help on my questions!!

T.J.
 
WHFM went on the air in 1939 at 45.1 Mhz as the first FM broadcast station in Rochester. During World War II the programming was specifically tailored to the needs of workers in local defense manufacturing plants. Re-assigned to 98.9 Mhz after the war, WHFM languished in the shadow of big AM sister WHAM 1180, with minimal programming efforts through several changes of ownership in the post-war years.

Rust Broadcasting (later Rust Communications Group), purchased WHAM & WHFM in late 1961, and eventually instituted a reel-to-reel based ‘easy listening’ format on WHFM, programmed from a couple of large tape decks in the racks of the WHAM master control at 350 East Avenue.

WHFM became the first FM Stereo station in Rochester in the summer of 1968, following the installation of a new transmitter plant with circularly-polarized antenna, stereo production studio and Gates program automation system. Peter Grobe was the programmer and announcer. In keeping with spirit of the times, he was known by some as “Peter Groovy” and aired a ‘progressive’ pop/rock format that was primitive by our contemporary standards, but sufficiently novel and popular for the first few years to be called a success.

By the spring of 1971, with increased commercial FM competition and a perceived need to step out from under the shadow of WHAM, new studios and offices for WHFM were constructed next door at 344 East Avenue. The automation system made the move too, but live programming and a more conventional pop music format were increasingly seen as the way to go.

Then, with the mid 1970’s economic downturn, management suddenly started looking for ways to economize. Automation started to look good again. The decision was made in early 1975 to convert all the Rust Communications FM stations to automated operation, using new computer-controlled systems from Control Design. Furthermore, the music programming was to be centralized at a single production facility, with reel-to-reel music tapes periodically updated and distributed to the various markets.

Needless to say, this technically & economically-driven decision was not popular with the various programmers and managers. They resisted the move to automation, sliced and diced the tapes without embarrassment, inserted their own music rotations and live programming, and generally made such a fuss that most of the new automation systems were effectively abandoned after just a few years.

With the 1975 return to automation, WHFM vacated the separate studios next door and operations were moved back into the WHAM building. This arrangement lasted until the early 1980’s when WHFM was returned once again to 344 East Avenue to make room for an elaborate WHAM studio renovation & expansion.

A succession of program directors and station managers presided over WHFM as FM99 or M-99 throughout the 1970’s and early 1980’s. Some were more successful than others, but the station was never really consistently competitive during this period. Much blame was placed on spotty signal penetration caused by the transmitting antenna’s less-than-optimal side-mounting on the massive AM tower in the remote wetlands of Chili, NY.

In fact, the real problem for WHFM was always WHAM. The attention of ownership and management alike was permanently fixed on the clear-channel powerhouse that reached “38 states and Canada”. The FM station took the hindmost.

98.9 Mhz was finally liberated from 1180 Khz when WHFM and WHAM were split up and sold to separate owners in March 1985.

WHFM became WZKC, then WKLX, then WBBF-FM and is now known as WBZA.

The WHFM call letters are currently assigned to 95.3 in Southhampton NY.
 
I still think that WHFM was an attempted hip-top-40 sound in Spring of 1968. (as opposed to progressive rock)


I am sure that that time period is correct since I have a copy of a WHFM Pams jingle package (more & more people hear more & more music on FM99)from that era. I am sure they were produced in the mid to late 60's. I, also, had a friend at that time that was from Rochester and he told that Rochester did have a top 40 station on FM -WHFM.
 
I wpuld take Lee Rust's word on the history of 98.9 in Rochester as authoritative, since his dad literally owned the place, along with WHAM, from the early 1960s until the mid-1980s--and Lee just as literally grew up around it.
 
Regarding the WHFM format in the late 60's.. I would say that "hip" top-40 is as good a description as any. It certainly wasn't "progressive" rock in the sense that WCMF was just a few years later. I recall that a few album tracks were played along with the hits. Remember that this was a period of much experimentation.

My brother and I helped install the power wiring for the new FM transmitter in the summer of 1968. I was introduced to Peter Grobe at that time, but he did not discuss jingle packages with me. I remember him as being a very enthusiastic and energetic guy. I was 17 years old and was far more interested in listening for Steppenwolf's "Born To Be Wild" while watching the automated cart machines crank up and down in their racks as they cued up the tunes.
 
Lee Rust not only helped launch WHFM, but was there to close it down the night before the transfer of ownership. The station signed off with little or no fanfare on a Sunday night after their weekly oldies program and the Dr. Demento show. As I remember hearing it, Lee came in the next day and was promptly shown the door.
 
Im new to this site so just bare with me if i recall when i was about 16 or 17 i remember fm 99 was off the air for awhile due to a fire at the transmitter that was about 76 or 77 do you or anybody else remember that and the exact cause of that it was about the same time i decided this is what i want to do when i grow up...... be a disc-jockey
 
Don't remember the exact cause of the fire, but I remember driving by the WHAM/WHFM tower many times after the fire and seeing the big hulk blackened/burned (maybe even partly melted)transmitter sitting in the field in front of the building; viewing it as I passed by on Rt 252 form a distance. (I lived in West Chili at the time). WHFM's CE was Walter Helinski at that time (also CE at WVOR).
 
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