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$42 Million for KMXE

J

John_U

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I was reading that KMXE was sold for $42 Million to the Angels to carry their Spanish language braodcast (for a while). That may be old news to those who having been following this, but appearently it is now official.

One can only speculate as to what the new 1500 will get if it is ever built. BTW, there has been activity on that front lately.

John
 
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Here is a link with some more info:
http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_02_06/teamowner.asp

It mentions that it will become bilingual at some point. On a sidenote, I remember that the towers are out in Orange. Is there any possibility that the current fire could put the station off the air?

I had heard that 1500AM could not get built? I didn't know someone got behind it again.

> I was reading that KMXE was sold for $42 Million to the
> Angels to carry their Spanish language braodcast (for a
> while). That may be old news to those who having been
> following this, but appearently it is now official.
>
> One can only speculate as to what the new 1500 will get if
> it is ever built. BTW, there has been activity on that front
> lately.
>
> John
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> Here is a link with some more info:
http> ://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2006_02_06/teamowner.asp
>
>
> It mentions that it will become bilingual at some point. On
> a sidenote, I remember that the towers are out in Orange.
> Is there any possibility that the current fire could put the
> station off the air?
>
I will look at the reference to 1500 later (see CGC Communicator). But per Radio-Locator the KMXE towers are north of the 91 and north of Chino Airport. I thought the fire was actually south of the 91 near Sierra Peak.

John
 
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> I will look at the reference to 1500 later (see CGC
> Communicator). But per Radio-Locator the KMXE towers are
> north of the 91 and north of Chino Airport. I thought the
> fire was actually south of the 91 near Sierra Peak.
>
> John

The KMXE towers are in Norco I believe (3 towers) and you can see them at night while driving the 91 freeway as you go through Corona.
You can see the towers
>

check out the link for the location:

http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/map...IES,&off=streets,GRID,shorelin&ht=0.5&wid=0.5
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by SuperRadioFan on 02/07/06 12:45 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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Although KMXE-830's night signal may not be the very best in Oxnard, San Bernardino and Santa Clarita, it's day signal (based on Radio-Locator.com signal maps) seems to be quite good throughout metro Los Angeles.

Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language sports format and become the English-language flagship of the Angels come 2007.
 
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> Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language sports
> format and become the English-language flagship of the
> Angels come 2007.

Joseph, if you are going to persist in posting everytime you see a thread, could you at least try to read the threads first?

I refer specifically to the post by Kyle that had the link to an industry trade publication's article which said the station was planning to go bilingual. Your speculation is absurd in the light of that.

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> > Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language
> sports
> > format and become the English-language flagship of the
> > Angels come 2007.
>
> Joseph, if you are going to persist in posting everytime you
> see a thread, could you at least try to read the threads
> first?
>
> I refer specifically to the post by Kyle that had the link
> to an industry trade publication's article which said the
> station was planning to go bilingual. Your speculation is
> absurd in the light of that.
>
> All those in favor of the moderators summarily removing all
> future posts by Mr. Gallant signify by posting "aye".
>
Actually, K.M., there is some speculation that the Angels will do the Spanish broadcasts on 830 AM for now - but that once the deal with KSPN is over - they may consider moving the English rights here (although personally I think that would be foolish).

But, I doubt Moreno would want to convert AM 830 into another all-sports station.
 
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> But, I doubt Moreno would want to convert AM 830 into
> another all-sports station.

Joseph has his moments, to be sure, but he's not totally off the reservation here. Quoting AllAccess on the move:

"ANGELS English-language broadcasts remain on crosstown ABC Sports KSPN-A (ESPN RADIO 710) for now."

That could well have been just a reference to the fact that for now, nothing's changing, since KSPN has a contract at very least through the 2006 season. But...who knows what happens after that?

I tend to agree with you, though, that I don't see Mr. Moreno launching L.A.'s 205th all-sports station, after the other 204 that struggle to get a 2 share. ;) I also don't think the Angels rights alone would be a strong enough pillar to build that upon, even if he wanted.

And if he's eyeing the L.A. basin's Spanish language audience with the Spanish-language games on 830, he can't obviously run a bilingual game broadcast. :D

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> Although KMXE-830's night signal may not be the very best in
> Oxnard, San Bernardino and Santa Clarita, it's day signal
> (based on Radio-Locator.com signal maps) seems to be quite
> good throughout metro Los Angeles.

The day 10 mv-m does not get even to Hollywood. In LA, it takes 10 mv/m to generate diary entries.

The real effective coverage of an AM is the innermost Radio-locator red curve shrunken by about 20%. Outside of that reduced curve, stations do not generate listening in any significant quantity.

At night, 830 is pretty much useless north of Downtown LA.
>
> Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language sports
> format and become the English-language flagship of the
> Angels come 2007.

It tired various English formats, but he coverage is good only for a Spanish station.
 
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> > Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language
> sports
> > format and become the English-language flagship of the
> > Angels come 2007.
>
> Joseph, if you are going to persist in posting everytime you
> see a thread, could you at least try to read the threads
> first?
>
> I refer specifically to the post by Kyle that had the link
> to an industry trade publication's article which said the
> station was planning to go bilingual. Your speculation is
> absurd in the light of that.
>
> All those in favor of the moderators summarily removing all
> future posts by Mr. Gallant signify by posting "aye".
>
Oh Brother, Get Real KM!
 
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> I tend to agree with you, though, that I don't see Mr.
> Moreno launching L.A.'s 205th all-sports station, after the
> other 204 that struggle to get a 2 share. ;) I also don't
> think the Angels rights alone would be a strong enough
> pillar to build that upon, even if he wanted.

All this speculation comes from either the ignorance of, or attaching too high a significance to, the fact that Moreno owns the Angels.

Is this really any different than the Angels being on KMPC/710 when Gene Autry owned both?<P ID="signature">______________


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> > All those in favor of the moderators summarily removing all
> > future posts by Mr. Gallant signify by posting "aye".
> >
> Oh Brother, Get Real KM!

I will if he will.
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> > Perhaps KMXE might be flipping to an English-language
> sports
> > format and become the English-language flagship of the
> > Angels come 2007.
>
> Joseph, if you are going to persist in posting everytime you
> see a thread, could you at least try to read the threads
> first?
>
> I refer specifically to the post by Kyle that had the link
> to an industry trade publication's article which said the
> station was planning to go bilingual. Your speculation is
> absurd in the light of that.
>
> All those in favor of the moderators summarily removing all
> future posts by Mr. Gallant signify by posting "aye".
>
AYE!
 
Arte Moreno is no slouch

We'll see what happens in the trial City of Anaheim vs the Angels, it's a 50-50 IMO, BUT Arte Moreno didn't get where he is by not knowing what he's doing.

Look down the road, and I will make a prediction. The Angels affiliation with KSPN ends AFTER the 2007 season (I think they'll honor that committment). I predict the Dodgers will move over to KSPN in the 2008 season (unless someone can tell me that they have a long-term agreement with KFWB). I predict the Angels will move their English language broadcasts to the better signal of 830 AM.

And for hoots after ARTE Moreno takes over KMXE he COULD if he wanted to change the calls to KRTE (pronounce K-Artie) haha. (There's no AM or FM station with those calls right now) OK I digress.

Despite what a non-baseball fan David Eduardo says, Angels fans (sorry David you are NOT the expert here on ANGELS fans) WILL put up with a slightly weaker signal to hear Angels games and I HAVE heard a decent signal in the SF Valley in my car where much listening to games will occur. Since I converse with Angels fans almost EVERY day, I know most of them listen in car to the games because at home almost ALL Angels games are televised so most fans do NOT listen to the radio broadcast at home when they have the option of watching the games on TV. It's clearer and KNCO Grass Valley CA doesn't interfere as STRONGLY as those stations that interfere with KSPN. An alternative would be for the Angels to line up an additional affiliate in Ventura County or else where west of LA/SF Valley.

Also look for Moreno to form an Angels TV network (like the Yankees and Red Sox have). And if I were Arte, I'd also look into Clippers and/or Anaheim Ducks games. Maybe 1540 The Ticket will be gone and 830 AM could become the other SoCal sports talk station. Yes I speculate but I AM a passionate Angels fan so cut me some slack here!!
 
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>
> Despite what a non-baseball fan David Eduardo says, Angels
> fans (sorry David you are NOT the expert here on ANGELS
> fans) WILL put up with a slightly weaker signal to hear
> Angels games and I HAVE heard a decent signal in the SF
> Valley in my car where much listening to games will occur.
> Since I converse with Angels fans almost EVERY day, I know
> most of them listen in car to the games because at home
> almost ALL Angels games are televised so most fans do NOT
> listen to the radio broadcast at home when they have the
> option of watching the games on TV. It's clearer and KNCO
> Grass Valley CA doesn't interfere as STRONGLY as those
> stations that interfere with KSPN. An alternative would be
> for the Angels to line up an additional affiliate in Ventura
> County or else where west of LA/SF Valley.

What does liking baseball or not have to do with propagation? The night signal north of a line drawn from Pasadena straigt west is miserable, with some nights the interference and noise totally erradicating the 830 signal. KMXE had to put a phone line from the transmitter t the Encino studios to haul back audio, as they could not pick the station up in the studios most of the time.

This is about ambient and man made interference, not co-channel interference. It takes about 12 mv/m at minimum (we think 15 for KTNQ) to overcome interference of this sort. KMXE does not even have an 8 mv/m nights in the Valley. This is why KMXE essentially got no diary returns from the Valley.

There is considerable Mexican interference on 830, by the way, starting with the station on 830 at Culiacan, Sinaloa, which is a pretty easy catch under KMXE most nights (XEVQ). In Winter, when they don't have to power down till 7 PM, and the local sunset in LA is around 5 PM, this signal kills KMXE in the fringes.
 
(David secretly likes baseball)

> What does liking baseball or not have to do with
> propagation?

Excuse me, you are right. You know very little about baseball OR what a baseball fan will go through to hear a baseball game!!
But whatever, David... You think a baseball fan cares about an Arbitron diary???? C'mon bud, get real hahahaha! And a fan does NOT have a meter measuring microvolts does he or she??


And you know a car's radio reception is different from home reception because you have said so in the past!!

(BTW why does it seem to many here that you always feel the need to nitpick so many posts? Not just mine, of course, my friend)

> There is considerable Mexican interference on 830, by the
> way, starting with the station on 830 at Culiacan, Sinaloa,
> which is a pretty easy catch under KMXE most nights (XEVQ).

How far away is XEVQ in miles?? Not challenging you, just wanna know.

> In Winter, when they don't have to power down till 7 PM, and
> the local sunset in LA is around 5 PM, this signal kills
> KMXE in the fringes.
>

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh David, the Angels don't play baseball in the wintertime!!
BTW why does the Mexican station NOT have to power down until 7 pm??

(from 5kw down to 1kw??)
What kind of deal is that??
 
Re: (David secretly likes baseball)

> > What does liking baseball or not have to do with
> > propagation?
>
> Excuse me, you are right. You know very little about
> baseball OR what a baseball fan will go through to hear a
> baseball game!!

I can only guess, as I have when broadcasting everything from boxing to World Cup soccer. However, at some point, a signal is not listenable in any circumstance. KMXE has unlistenable zones in LA, especially at night when a lot of weekday games run, or, at least, end.

> But whatever, David... You think a baseball fan cares about
> an Arbitron diary???? C'mon bud, get real hahahaha! And a
> fan does NOT have a meter measuring microvolts does he or
> she??

Stations in LA live off the ratings. And stations do not get ratings where the signals are weak.

> And you know a car's radio reception is different from home
> reception because you have said so in the past!!

Definitely. But that mostly applies to FM, where the FM antenna in a car is a precise part of the average wavelength of the FM signals it captures. An AM of comparable length would be several hundred feet long, or high. Ambient noise affects both home and cars alike, one of the dfects of AM. In fact, power line noise is often more pronounced in car reception.
>
> (BTW why does it seem to many here that you always feel the
> need to nitpick so many posts? Not just mine, of course, my
> friend)

In this case, because you are trying to defy the laws of physics to make a point about Angels broadcasts. And, also, because it is fun.
>
> > There is considerable Mexican interference on 830, by the
> > way, starting with the station on 830 at Culiacan,
> Sinaloa,
> > which is a pretty easy catch under KMXE most nights
> (XEVQ).
>
> How far away is XEVQ in miles?? Not challenging you, just
> wanna know.

About 600, I think. Right up the coast, at 5 kw, omnidirectional, it frequently squishes the night fringes of KMXE. Just as the Hidalgo del Parral station on 64o of the same power at 1200 miles kills KFI as close in as San Bernardino and Redlands... very close for a 1-A clear channe. Or the Obregón station chews up KNX in the same areas and even closer at night... and it is just 1000 watts and not on the coast.
>
> > In Winter, when they don't have to power down till 7 PM,
> and
> > the local sunset in LA is around 5 PM, this signal kills
> > KMXE in the fringes.
> >
>
> Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh David, the Angels don't play baseball in
> the wintertime!!

We are talking about KMXE. It broadcasts all year around, does it not?

> BTW why does the Mexican station NOT have to power down
> until 7 pm??

Because that is Mexican law.
>
> (from 5kw down to 1kw??)
> What kind of deal is that??

Mexican law. We have our rules, they have theirs.
>
 
Re: (David secretly likes baseball)

> > How far away is XEVQ in miles??

> About 600, I think.

Culiacan (CUL)
CUL-LAX: 912 st mi
CUL-BUR: 922 st mi
CUL-SNA: 877 st mi


> > BTW why does the Mexican station NOT
> > have to power down until 7 pm??

> Because that is Mexican law.

Does Mexico's version of Uncle Charlie
allow stations to run their daytime
power/pattern from--at minimum--6:00am
to 7:00pm even during winter months?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by oldiesfan on 02/08/06 03:32 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: (David secretly likes baseball)

> > > How far away is XEVQ in miles??
>
> > About 600, I think.
>
> Culiacan (CUL)
> CUL-LAX: 912 st mi
> CUL-BUR: 922 st mi
> CUL-SNA: 877 st mi

Jeeze. It seems like a shorter flight. ;-)
>
>
> > > BTW why does the Mexican station NOT
> > > have to power down until 7 pm??
>
> > Because that is Mexican law.
>
> Does Mexico's version of Uncle Charlie
> allow stations to run their daytime
> power/pattern from--at minimum--6:00am
> to 7:00pm even during winter months?

6 AM to 7 PM, all year long for day power or for daytimers. Part of this is the fact that days are much closer to the same length all year long in most of Mexico.
 
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> > But whatever, David... You think a baseball fan cares
> about
> > an Arbitron diary???? C'mon bud, get real hahahaha! And a
>
> > fan does NOT have a meter measuring microvolts does he or
> > she??
>
> Stations in LA live off the ratings. And stations do not get
> ratings where the signals are weak.
>

I don't get your point.... Baseball fans DON'T CARE about ratings! If the games are on, they will listen, even if reception is marginal. In fact speaking as a sports fan who grew up in Central New Jersey, I remember having to listen to New York Knicks games and New York Rangers games on 1050 WHN with a terrible directional signal away from New Brunswick. When the Mets switched from WABC to WHN in 1964 I had the same problem. I put up with all the QRM. If the OWNER of the team (Arte Moreno) also owns the radio station, he WILL put on the games as he has SAID he will do in the 2006 season (in Spanish). How long are you going to debate this point, 'til the 2099 season?


> > (BTW why does it seem to many here that you always feel
> the
> > need to nitpick so many posts? Not just mine, of course,
> my
> > friend)
>
> In this case, because you are trying to defy the laws of
> physics to make a point about Angels broadcasts. And, also,
> because it is fun.

Yes it's fun as most here prolly think THAT is the main reason you do it :>)

> > Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh David, the Angels don't play baseball in
>
> > the wintertime!!
>
> We are talking about KMXE. It broadcasts all year around,
> does it not?


BUT I was addressing JUST the viability of the Angels games (April to October) on KMXE nothing else really. You ARE smart enough to see that I believe, but rather than concede my point since that would be indeed very, very, very, very, rare for you to concede ANYONE'S point, you have to veer your response off-center.

> Mexican law. We have our rules, they have theirs.
>

As all people in California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas know
 
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