720 KHz Mexican Regional

[Tincap]

I'm monitoring 720 at the moment (just after local sunset), successfully nulling out WGN and pulling in a Mexican regional, coming in rather strongly at times. The only station with that format on my data base is KSAH from Universal City TX. Are there any others which I could be pulling in from my location, here in eastern Ontario...?

~BG

 

[Prais]

Instead of asking here, why dont you use GOOGLE to find KDWN, Las Vegas and the others on 720, then you would know you'd have a complete list?

It's easy.

 

[Tincap]

Instead of asking here, why dont you use GOOGLE to find KDWN, Las Vegas and the others on 720, then you would know you'd have a complete list?

It's easy.

Isn't this easier?

http://www.amlogbook.com/freq.htm#720

720 KOTZ KOTZEBUE AK 10000 10000 NDA EDUCATIONAL / VARIET
720 WRZN HERNANDO FL 10000 250 DA-N ADULT STANDARDS
720 WVCC HOGANSVILLE GA 7970 NDA TALK SRN
720 KUAI ELEELE HI 5000 5000 NDA AC / COUNTRY / HAWAI
720 WGN CHICAGO IL 50000 50000 NDA NEWS / TALK /VARIET
720 KDWN LAS VEGAS NV 50000 50000 DA-N TALK FOX/TRN
720 # WQTH CLAREMONT NH 5000 670 DA-3
720 # WVOA DEWITT NY 2500 390 DA-N
720 WGCR PISGAH FOREST NC 25000 NDA RELIGIOUS / SOUTHERN
720 KFIR SWEET HOME OR 10000 184 NDA TALK / COUNTRY
720 WWII SHIREMANSTOWN PA 2000 DA-D CONTEMPORARY CHRISTI
720 # CHTN CHARLOTTETOWN PE 10000 7500 DA-N AC / OLDIES //
720 KSAH UNIVERSAL CITY TX 10000 890 DA-2 REGIONAL MEXICAN

This pretty much reflects the 2009 WRTH list, so there's a pretty good chance that I've bagged KSAH, however is there a more local, unlisted, low-power lurking out there, or perhaps a station which broadcasts tajano/mexican only on weekends? This is why I ask here.

BTW, I'm in eastern Ontario, Canada, not California....from here KDWN Las Vegas would be a real prize!

~BG

 

[ddsparxx]

WWII in PA does Spanish programming on Saturdays possibly until it signs off around 6 PM EST, so perhaps that could be what you're hearing, otherwise it's KSAH.

 

[schmave]

I'm monitoring 720 at the moment (just after local sunset), successfully nulling out WGN and pulling in a Mexican regional, coming in rather strongly at times. The only station with that format on my data base is KSAH from Universal City TX. Are there any others which I could be pulling in from my location, here in eastern Ontario...?

~BG

I have to think you heard KSAH. It packs a punch in Houston until its pattern change. I suppose it's possible you got that in Ontario. Here in Ohio, the station from North Carolina puts up a great fight against WGN until it goes off the air at sundown.

 

[davideduardo]

Instead of asking here, why dont you use GOOGLE to find KDWN, Las Vegas and the others on 720, then you would know you'd have a complete list?

Many small stations, such as some of the daytimers listed, don't have websites. And many, many Spanish language stations don't have websites listed by call letters, since Spanish language stations ususally don't use calls for anything other than the English language legal ID.

For example, in LA, nearly all the Spanish language station websites are things like www.laraza979.com or www.aquisuena.com, not KLAX.com or KBUE.com

Googling the call letters does not always lead to accurate information if the station site is named www.theeagle.com or similar, either.

DXers have relied on their own community for more than 8 decades to get accurate info.

It's easy.

It's not easy if, as suggested with the WWII case, there is ethnic or specialty programming on weekends... which is often not on a station website as it is frequently brokered time; the show itself may have a site but not identified with the call letters.

 

[Prais]

David, points well taken, but I've been dxing since about 1960 - and except for the World Radio Handbook, (then, later) the Broadcasting Yearbook, and Google, never needed to rely on ANYBODY but myself. I like it like that.

There is certainly more than one way to do most everything. When I dx, it's just me and my Hallicrafters sx-99, that I've been using about 50 years.

I have a couple of thousand qsl's and verification letters.

 

[davideduardo]

David, points well taken, but I've been dxing since about 1960 - and except for the World Radio Handbook, (then, later) the Broadcasting Yearbook, and Google, never needed to rely on ANYBODY but myself. I like it like that.

To each their own, I guess. It's a hobby, after all.

The unfortunate thing is that by not being part of one of the clubs, NRC, NNRC (predating 1960, of course) and the IRCA (1963/1964) you missed great things like the frequency check lists, DX test notifications, etc. The WRTH and WRTVH were next to usesless for this Hemisphere, and sorely lacking for MW low powers from Europe, too. So you missed thousands of opportunities.

I joined my first club after hearing about it on a DX Test from CKBW in Bridgewater, NS, on 1000 kcs. I went on to be a founding member of the IRCA and membe rof the initial board.

There is certainly more than one way to do most everything. When I dx, it's just me and my Hallicrafters sx-99, that I've been using about 50 years.

That, with a Heath Q Multiplier, was my second DX receiver. Replaced arond 1960 with an HQ 180, then a 51J4, Galxy 530, several R390's and then the Drakes.

I have a couple of thousand qsl's and verification letters.

87 countries and about 2400 veries from Clevelend, OH. Uncounted ones from San Juan, Quito, Phoenix and Prescott.

 

[davideduardo]

I'm monitoring 720 at the moment (just after local sunset), successfully nulling out WGN and pulling in a Mexican regional, coming in rather strongly at times. The only station with that format on my data base is KSAH from Universal City TX. Are there any others which I could be pulling in from my location, here in eastern Ontario...?

~BG

KSAH is almost 100% norteña, one of the several different styles that are all part of Regional Mexican. If you heard pure accordeon music, mostly up tempo, with no tubas (that is banda), no clarinets (that is durangüense) and no brass (that is ranchera) it is likely KSAH. A regional Mexican station elsewhere would probably include all the different types.

Tejano, as the name would indicate, is not a form of regional Mexican as it does not come from Mexico. It has similarities, but so few tejano stations are left it's not worth getting into.

Some samples are at http://www.davidgleason.com/hispanicformats.htm and they may be helpful in IDing the station.

 

[Tincap]

I'm monitoring 720 at the moment (just after local sunset), successfully nulling out WGN and pulling in a Mexican regional, coming in rather strongly at times. The only station with that format on my data base is KSAH from Universal City TX. Are there any others which I could be pulling in from my location, here in eastern Ontario...?

~BG

KSAH is almost 100% norteña, one of the several different styles that are all part of Regional Mexican. If you heard pure accordeon music, mostly up tempo, with no tubas (that is banda), no clarinets (that is durangüense) and no brass (that is ranchera) it is likely KSAH. A regional Mexican station elsewhere would probably include all the different types.

Tejano, as the name would indicate, is not a form of regional Mexican as it does not come from Mexico. It has similarities, but so few tejano stations are left it's not worth getting into.

Some samples are at http://www.davidgleason.com/hispanicformats.htm and they may be helpful in IDing the station.

Muchas Gracias David!

And as for Mr. Prais, I agree that internet and other resources have a lot to offer, however the insight of the folks around here (with much more experience than I have) can be far more valuable than any online tool or handbook. This is why enjoy this site and the folks who make use of it.

Cheers!

~BG

 

[cyberdad]

The only small tidbit I can add to this is to also vouch for the fact that KSAH has an impressive daytime signal. I make the run from Dallas to Austin once or twice every year, and once I'm south of the Metroplex and away from splatter from the local on 730, KSAH booms in for then next 160 miles. And even when I get to Austin, I'm still about 60 miles from their stick.

My guess is that you were hearing KSAH when they were on their day pattern (regardless of whether they should've been).

 

[Tincap]

The only small tidbit I can add to this is to also vouch for the fact that KSAH has an impressive daytime signal. I make the run from Dallas to Austin once or twice every year, and once I'm south of the Metroplex and away from splatter from the local on 730, KSAH booms in for then next 160 miles. And even when I get to Austin, I'm still about 60 miles from their stick.

My guess is that you were hearing KSAH when they were on their day pattern (regardless of whether they should've been).

Jeepers, Cyber, you do travel, don't you?!

They'd certainly still be on daytime power when I picked up the signal (at just after 5pm EST), but having said that aren't they 'only' running 10 kW? It was coming in quite well at times, leading me to wonder if was something a little more local.

Wish KSAH was streaming, that would've helped, but I couldn't/can't seem to find any links.

~BG

 

[davideduardo]

[They'd certainly still be on daytime power when I picked up the signal (at just after 5pm EST), but having said that aren't they 'only' running 10 kW? It was coming in quite well at times, leading me to wonder if was something a little more local.

10 kw is a ton of power for sunset skip. I recall having heard on multiple occasions 250 watters on 900 (Floydada, IIRC) and 690 (Tyler and another city...) as well as a lot of 500 watters and 1 kw operations. Things like Miami, OK, on 910 just before pattern change were quite common, in fact. To the NW, Vermillion, SD, 1 kw on 690, was a frequent visitor. I seldom got sunset skip beyond the Panhandle and places like Scottsbluff, but power did not have a lot to do with it.

On an empty channel, 250 w KIKI from Honolulu on 830 was heard 100% readable in NE Ohio several times; 10 kw KORL was a pest!

It's conditions, not power, that makes the major part of the formula.

 

[Prais]

David said
....That, with a Heath Q Multiplier, was my second DX receiver. Replaced arond 1960 with an HQ 180, then a 51J4, Galxy 530, several R390's and then the Drakes.

...87 countries and about 2400 veries from Clevelend, OH. Uncounted ones from San Juan, Quito, Phoenix and Prescott.

David, Thanks, I'm really glad for you, but I really don't need to play "mine is bigger than yours" with you. I have my own style and my own way. What I have suits me fine. I'm not in competition with anybody - and really don't care. I have plenty of resources.

 

[davideduardo]

David, Thanks, I'm really glad for you, but I really don't need to play "mine is bigger than yours" with you. I have my own style and my own way. What I have suits me fine. I'm not in competition with anybody - and really don't care. I have plenty of resources.

That was my way of suggesting "I don't think so." With an SX99, no club affiliation to add hundreds of DX tests and hundreds of frequency checks (in the 60's and 70's), having 2000 verifications is at the limits of credibility. That would put you among the top 10 living BCB DXers in the country with a receiver that is vastly inferior to what any of them have used in the past and use in the present.

 

[Prais]

David,

You don't have to "think so." Your immaturity is hilarious. I guess NOBODY can ever be wiser than you. I guess I missed that memo.

YOUR opinion is only that. You don't know me-or have any idea of what I've done. 2000 verifications over 40 (plus) years is only 50 a year. No big deal.

Actually, speaking of "limits of credibility" -your line of bull on this board is a MUCH bigger stretch to believe.

Warmest Wishes.

 

[Tincap]

David,

You don't have to "think so." Your immaturity is hilarious. I guess NOBODY can ever be wiser than you. I guess I missed that memo.

YOUR opinion is only that. You don't know me-or have any idea of what I've done. 2000 verifications over 40 (plus) years is only 50 a year. No big deal.

Actually, speaking of "limits of credibility" -your line of bull on this board is a MUCH bigger stretch to believe.

Warmest Wishes.

OMG, I never expected to find this level of cyber-bullying on a board such as this. This is the kind of stuff you read on boards with teens and their Hondas, bragging about how big their fart cannons are. Generally being more mature in age here, I thought we were beyond that. :-\

~BG

 

[cyberdad]

Jeepers, Cyber, you do travel, don't you?!

Yeah, but they pay me to do it!

Although I don't enjoy being away from Mrs. Cyberdad (kids are grown), I do like working in and seeing different venues in North America & Europe. And one of the best perks is getting to DX in loads of different places.....your town of Brockville being one of those on a few different occasions.

 

[Tincap]

Jeepers, Cyber, you do travel, don't you?!

Yeah, but they pay me to do it!

Although I don't enjoy being away from Mrs. Cyberdad (kids are grown), I do like working in and seeing different venues in North America & Europe. And one of the best perks is getting to DX in loads of different places.....your town of Brockville being one of those on a few different occasions.

And as you've probably read, regarding some of my catches, Brockville is not a bad spot for DXing! ;D

~BG

 

[cyberdad]

Absolutely a good spot indeed.  Only one or two local sticks. And both of the hotels I've used....Days Inn and the Journey's End (Comfort Inn)....are constructed and situated in such a way as to let signals in "unblocked" and without adding noise.  MUCH better than what I encounter an hour up the road at the Ottawa hotels.

And on top of that, the natives are friendly! 

BTW, my usual 720 catch there...aside from WGN...used to be a relatively strong CHTN before they moved to FM.