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95.3 "kgy"

yeah, remote control it like a K Love operation. Makes sense, KUOW did that with 1340. Don't know what they paid to get the former KVSN freq and transmitter. Odd, since it was a religious broadcaster.

Not necessarily odd. If the license was non-commercial to start with, the sale would have transferred between non-profit institutions. They just went from a religions one to an educational one.

You can look up the sale documents online. I thought the price was fairly impressive, given what other stations have gone for in that market and what coverage that one gets.
 
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Fair enough.

I'd suggest however, that if you think about it, owning a radio station isn't necessarily any more successful or glamorous than owning any other business. In fact, I've seen enough of them to know that a marginal - to - failing station can be just as stressful, burdensome and time-consuming as anything else.

It's easy to get caught up in the image of these things... especially if you'd like to be on the inside. Having been there, I can tell you it's not much different than anything else. Once you become the owner, EVERYTHING becomes your problem... especially whether you get to write a check for yourself after you pay the rest of the staff. Small stations aren't the money machines (some) may have once been, and there are a lot of moving parts.

I see your point. However, to become a the owner of a decent station you will need millions of dollars (that you are prepared to use). There was a time where I wanted to own a station, but I wised up and realized that it doesn't work the way you plan. Sure, it seems like a cool idea to own a station that plays your favourite songs.. but how is that going to make money? Take Bossbill (for example), he owns multiple stations and I would be willing to bet that he didn't base any of his stations off of his personal taste.
 
I see your point. Take Bossbill (for example), he owns multiple stations and I would be willing to bet that he didn't base any of his stations off of his personal taste.

True. However, there's more than one reason to own a station, and this is what gets lost on this forum.

Take KBRD (AM 680, Olympia... www.kbrd.org ), for example. Granted, it's unusual, but it shows that if YOUR programming taste is shared by others, there could be a way to build a station around it.

Years ago, the original owner of KBRD took the money he earned from another successful business, and dumped most of it into a couple of small, daytime-only stations. Over a few years, he built the tallest AM broadcast tower in the state, put his two stations on it and rented space to a third. Eventually, he sold one of his stations and used the rental income, along with public donations, to keep his operation afloat.

His main purpose was to be able to listen to the music HE wanted to hear... and that was pretty much his philosophy until he passed away. If you liked what he liked and listened to his station, you'd be asked to donate now and then.

Years later, the station continues to operate, much like the original owner intended. It doesn't make anyone rich, but it pays for a manager and the costs of maintaining the transmitter and tower site. It has a library of over 24,000 songs and more are added every week. A large percentage of the library is recorded from 78 RPM records, though you'd never know it to hear the recordings over the station or its internet stream. Others are cut from LPs, 45s and even an occasional 8-track or two.

While this may be an extreme example of how to make the economy of a station work, it may be a more legitimate path for many here than constantly criticizing the way mainstream broadcasters apply their methods. In a sense, it's a truer barometer of whether your philosophy would cut it, in an environment where the medium supposedly "serves the public".
 
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For a station on 680 khz, hardly clear outside of Tacoma, and with a format that is mainly 65+, how it still operates today shocks me. Wish that now we have a full 100kw classic rock on 105.7 (the Hawk) in Yakima, maybe we can get that 93.7 U-Rock transmitter to flip to something else, I prefer a niche format like Soft AC. We don't need 2 classic rock stations in a town of maybe 80K people and 25K in the Lower Valley!

-crainbebo
 
For a station on 680 khz, hardly clear outside of Tacoma, and with a format that is mainly 65+, how it still operates today shocks me....

-crainbebo

Well, there are a lot of people out there who are 65+

It might also shock you to learn that the station regularly receives donations from Evergreen College students. That one's a bit more of a head scratcher.
 
There are niche formats that most certainly work. I love niche formats (my favourite being AAA, but also oldies and classic country). If I were to purchase a radio station, however, I'd probably stick it with teeny-bopper hip hop country or some sort of classic hits. Its too risky to play around with Soft AC, oldies, or jazz it seems.

As for the evergreen students... I've heard some of the stuff on KAOS... It really would not surprise me if they tried to fund a radio station playing didgeridoo music 24/7.
 
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Does anyone think my dad's idea of a station would work? If he owned a radio station he'd do 20s at 2, 30s at 3, 40s at 4, etc.
 
Well, there are a lot of people out there who are 65+

It might also shock you to learn that the station regularly receives donations from Evergreen College students. That one's a bit more of a head scratcher.

KBRD has always been the KEXP of the Geritol crowd. And Evergreen students PROUDLY let their freak flags fly. That's what you gotta love about Olympia. It's the so-called "normal" people who are considered weird....
 
KBRD has always been the KEXP of the Geritol crowd...

OK. That's a good one.

I've mused on what KIXI... "as cool now as it was then..." will sound like, 15 or 20 years from now...

"Heyyyy... That was a great hit from Mister Frank Sinatra, remember him?... No?... Well, here's a retro favorite from someone everybody remembers.... Snoop Dogg! (cue the KIXI, "Music of your Life" jingle)...
 
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OK. That's a good one.

I've mused on what KIXI... "as cool now as it was then..." will sound like, 15 or 20 years from now...

"Heyyyy... That was a great hit from Mister Frank Sinatra, remember him?... No?... Well, here's a retro favorite from someone everybody remembers.... Snoop Dogg! (cue the KIXI, "Music of your Life" jingle)...

LOLOL. That will be interesting!

On the topic of KIXI, I must say, some of their programming is rather "cheesy". Most of it is great, but once in a while you get that "What the heck is this??" reaction.
 
I love KBRD. Love hearing that 20's and 30's stuff on the airwaves.

I like some of the standards stations I hear today also KIXI, KDUN (oldies with a few standards thrown in), KXPA, etc. Sometimes they throw in an old oldies track that is unusual, but still fits.

I never liked standards when I was younger, but it represents a classic phase of American music. Before singers like Sinatra and Crosby got big, the singer was secondary to the music. In other genres, the singer was central, but pop music as we know it today (singer up front, music basically backs up the singer) didn't really make it until the crooners of the 30's, 40's and 50's.
 
I love KBRD. Love hearing that 20's and 30's stuff on the airwaves.

I like some of the standards stations I hear today also KIXI, KDUN (oldies with a few standards thrown in), KXPA, etc. Sometimes they throw in an old oldies track that is unusual, but still fits.

I never liked standards when I was younger, but it represents a classic phase of American music. Before singers like Sinatra and Crosby got big, the singer was secondary to the music. In other genres, the singer was central, but pop music as we know it today (singer up front, music basically backs up the singer) didn't really make it until the crooners of the 30's, 40's and 50's.
Thats really interesting! I grew up listening to a lot of standards, but now I listen to music that could not be farther from standards. Perhaps it will all come full circle one day and I will once again get back into standards.
 
You gotta be kidding me. It's gotta be super directional to make any difference. KGY's translator might blow it out past Lakewood. Not to mention CKZZ/KXLE/KXXK in some areas. Put that LP programming online, not on an already-occupied frequency!

BTW, try a YouTube channel called "cdbpdx" for more 78rpm goodies. He's from Portland and has some real goodies including vintage 1930s/40s blues stuff and loads of Bob Wills, rare 50s songs, etc.

-crainbebo
 
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You gotta be kidding me. It's gotta be super directional to make any difference. KGY's translator might blow it out past Lakewood. Not to mention CKZZ/KXLE/KXXK in some areas. Put that LP programming online, not on an already-occupied frequency!

BTW, try a YouTube channel called "cdbpdx" for more 78rpm goodies. He's from Portland and has some real goodies including vintage 1930s/40s blues stuff and loads of Bob Wills, rare 50s songs, etc.

-crainbebo
I just checked; 95.3 in Tacoma is going to be non directional. I can't wait to see how this works. I have the strangest feeling that its going to sound like a mess.

I'll have to check out that YouTube channel (on the condition that the operator does not decide to put up his on LP station).
 
Are there any KGY-95.3 listeners in southern Pierce County or maybe Dupont? Dupont's going to be unlistenable on 95.3 if this keeps happening.
 
Looking at the "for entertainment purposes only" maps at Radio Locator, Tacoma is outside the 40 dBu contour of the KGY translator. Granted that's the general f(50,50) service contours, not the more restrictive f(50,10) interference contours. But for a 250 w translator at 60 meters high, the difference between those two contours is only about 3 km, or maybe a couple of miles.

In terms of full-power FMs, yes, the Tacoma FM might need to be directional, to avoid its 60 dBu service contour from overlapping the 40 dBu interference contour of the KGY translator. But, these are both class D so the 60 dBu service contours aren't protected. Just guessing here, but I suspect that with Tacoma being in a big metro that 95.3 is probably the only option available to it.
 
Judging by the maps alone, it seems like these two channels could co-exist just fine. However, the maps are, like joebtsflk1 said, for "entertainment purposes".

More 95.3's in this area and the maps will be more entertaining than listening to the frequency!
 
Looking at the "for entertainment purposes only" maps at Radio Locator, Tacoma is outside the 40 dBu contour of the KGY translator. Granted that's the general f(50,50) service contours, not the more restrictive f(50,10) interference contours. But for a 250 w translator at 60 meters high, the difference between those two contours is only about 3 km, or maybe a couple of miles.

In terms of full-power FMs, yes, the Tacoma FM might need to be directional, to avoid its 60 dBu service contour from overlapping the 40 dBu interference contour of the KGY translator. But, these are both class D so the 60 dBu service contours aren't protected. Just guessing here, but I suspect that with Tacoma being in a big metro that 95.3 is probably the only option available to it.

Translators are secondary service. Doesn't an LPFM trump a translator?
 
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