95.9FM in Dallas

[Huff]

Whoever owns that KKVI bunch is skating on the edge of the law. I busted them several years (I still have pics somewhere) for operating a TOTALLY illegal pirate in Garland (no xlator license, no nothing) and now they're allegedly translating a signal? I can pretty much guarantee you they're NOT picking it up off air (like translators are supposed to) and I bet if I dug far enough I could find a ton of other things they're doing that are borderline illegal.

I suspect they're also running well over their ERP, at least comparing the Longley-Rice I ran to where I've actually received them.

 

[radi0avenger]

Probably over their TPO too. Wonder just exactly what kind of antenna/height they ARE running?!?

 

[LibertyNT]

95.9 Garland Puts a solid Stereo Signal here in McKinney.
No way they've been using legal power.

 

[jd]

I suspect they're also running well over their ERP, at least comparing the Longley-Rice I ran to where I've actually received them.

Speaking of Longley/Rice, zoom in and check out the parameters for this one: http://kkviradio.com/images/Coveragemap2.jpg

That's right, a "proposed" model with 1kW omni at 166.66 meters on 88.1 that they've had on their website (dating back to whenever they signed on probably) labeled as their coverage map!

95.9 Garland Puts a solid Stereo Signal here in McKinney.
No way they've been using legal power.

Liberty, do you think you're getting a borderline "city-grade" signal? And for everyone else, what do you think? Could this total fabrication be eerily close to their real coverage area?

 

[julesism]

Here in Lavon there have been a couple nights where if I moved my T-wire antenna just right, KFWR came in over K240DS on my Sony XDR-F1HD. If K240DS is doing some things they should not be doing, I'm all for complaining if it means I might be able to hear The Ranch I used to live in Austin and when I would drive back and forth, K240DS would start overpowering KFWR on I-35E a few miles south of I-20 (between Waxahachie and Red Oak), therefore it would not surprise me if they were running 1KW as suggested in that coverage map.

 

[93-3TheSurge]

JD, when tuning into KCKL, do you catch any interference from KSCH in Sulphur Springs? How do you feel about my "superstation" idea of combining the four 95.9's and making it one station?

As far as my previous post, I still believe KGSR is the strongest FM station in Texas, tropoducting aside. Does this belief DQ me from radio-info? I may be wrong, and I don't have a lot of science to back me up, but I have driven all across Texas and of all the stations I have tuned into, KGSR 93.3 in Austin seems to be the strongest.

One has to be the strongest, right?

 

[jd]

JD, when tuning into KCKL, do you catch any interference from KSCH in Sulphur Springs?

No, I don't usually get any notable interference from Sulphur Springs but it's more of a matter of the route I take into Dallas. About the time KCKL starts to have problems the Garland translator starts to dominate the frequency.

How do you feel about my "superstation" idea of combining the four 95.9's and making it one station?

The idea of a super-station network is interesting but in my view totally implausible. KFWR's best choice is what they're doing right now with their upgrade, although the coverage will be only a little better than what they have. The other stations involved aren't going anywhere, even the translator. Bear in mind that on paper at least it's not a locally owned operation. Super translator operator Edgewater Broadcasting from Idaho is the owner of record and regardless of whatever arrangement they have with the people in Garland I doubt they would ever give it up willingly.

As far as my previous post, I still believe KGSR is the strongest FM station in Texas, tropoducting aside. Does this belief DQ me from radio-info?

You're entitled to your opinion. The criticism I offered was meant to be constructive.

I may be wrong, and I don't have a lot of science to back me up, but I have driven all across Texas and of all the stations I have tuned into, KGSR 93.3 in Austin seems to be the strongest.

One has to be the strongest, right?

I suppose, but with many possible candidates for that title and considering what would be a minuscule edge for the one with the best coverage I don't think it really matters.

 

[dfwrunner]

JD, when tuning into KCKL, do you catch any interference from KSCH in Sulphur Springs?

No, I don't usually get any notable interference from Sulphur Springs but it's more of a matter of the route I take into Dallas. About the time KCKL starts to have problems the Garland translator starts to dominate the frequency.

How do you feel about my "superstation" idea of combining the four 95.9's and making it one station?

The idea of a super-station network is interesting but in my view totally implausible. KFWR's best choice is what they're doing right now with their upgrade, although the coverage will be only a little better than what they have. The other stations involved aren't going anywhere, even the translator. Bear in mind that on paper at least it's not a locally owned operation. Super translator operator Edgewater Broadcasting from Idaho is the owner of record and regardless of whatever arrangement they have with the people in Garland I doubt they would ever give it up willingly.

As far as my previous post, I still believe KGSR is the strongest FM station in Texas, tropoducting aside. Does this belief DQ me from radio-info?

You're entitled to your opinion. The criticism I offered was meant to be constructive.

I may be wrong, and I don't have a lot of science to back me up, but I have driven all across Texas and of all the stations I have tuned into, KGSR 93.3 in Austin seems to be the strongest.

One has to be the strongest, right?

I suppose, but with many possible candidates for that title and considering what would be a minuscule edge for the one with the best coverage I don't think it really matters.

I'd say that number of people in the coverage area has to be included as part of the definition. I can't imagine a station in Austin as being competitive with that criteria included (at 100kw)

 

[Triple Fake Jerry]

A Ranch superstation? Two thumbs up on that.

 

[93-3TheSurge]

Here is the plan:

There are four stations with the 95.9FM frequency within a 75-mile radius of Dallas. 95.9 KFWR (The Ranch), located 73 miles west of Dallas, is the strongest, so this will be the primary station. 13 miles east of Dallas is the translator K240DS, will be able to penetrate the East Dallas section of the metroplex. Then you have KCKL, 65 miles southeast of Dallas, will fill in the gap between Dallas and the last station, KSCH, 72 miles east of Dallas, will serve the far east side of the metroplex. From Cisco (KFWR) to Mount Pleasant (KSCH), and all (most) points in between, 95-9, the Superstation.



Your Lieutenant Ramathorne, "Ram." I'm officer Rodney Farva, "Rod."
Car Ramrod!

Say car Ramrod! Say car Ramrod!

 

[dfwrunner]

Here is the plan:

There are four stations with the 95.9FM frequency within a 75-mile radius of Dallas. 95.9 KFWR (The Ranch), located 73 miles west of Dallas, is the strongest, so this will be the primary station. 13 miles east of Dallas is the translator K240DS, will be able to penetrate the East Dallas section of the metroplex. Then you have KCKL, 65 miles southeast of Dallas, will fill in the gap between Dallas and the last station, KSCH, 72 miles east of Dallas, will serve the far east side of the metroplex. From Cisco (KFWR) to Mount Pleasant (KSCH), and all (most) points in between, 95-9, the Superstation.



Your Lieutenant Ramathorne, "Ram." I'm officer Rodney Farva, "Rod."
Car Ramrod!

Say car Ramrod! Say car Ramrod!

bu bu but the Ranch isn't that good...I want a KTFW superstation.

 

[93-3TheSurge]

DFW---You might wanna get the stuttering thing checked out...

I'm not a big fan of "The Ranch," I just like the idea of a four-tower "superstation."

If I had it my way, it would be "The Edge."

 

[dfwrunner]

DFW---You might wanna get the stuttering thing checked out...

I'm not a big fan of "The Ranch," I just like the idea of a four-tower "superstation."

If I had it my way, it would be "The Edge."

I think the idea of reducing the number of listening choices kinda disturbing...we need more choice not more stations playing the same thing. We need most of all diversity in ownership. We need to bust up these monopolies...and we need to ensure that stations serve their "community of license".

 

[93-3TheSurge]

I agree with you as far as the listener needing to have as many choices as possible, but the superstation idea does not impede with that. Since the superstation is one frequency (95.9), there is no possible way to hear it on two different stations in any given listening area.

 

[dfwrunner]

I agree with you as far as the listener needing to have as many choices as possible, but the superstation idea does not impede with that. Since the superstation is one frequency (95.9), there is no possible way to hear it on two different stations in any given listening area.

sure there is, I sometimes rotate my outdoor antenna towards Farmersville and listen to 92.1 there and most of the time rotate it towards glen rose and listen to it there. If you have a proper directional antenna, it works quite well for "fringe" stations. especially if in the opposite direction from each other. Used to do that all the time for TV stations too. Rotate towards Evansville, watch a station, rotate towards Cincinnati, watch the same frequency. At times, I could rotate towards chicago and watch WLS too.

 

[LibertyNT]

Garlands 95.9 I wouldnt say Quite City Grade but atleast a good solid Distant Signal. They were a no show today up here. Im assuming at this moment they're either off air or powered down to legal power because of us

 

[jd]

or powered down to legal power because of us

Now wouldn't that be an interesting development?

 

[93-3TheSurge]

I agree with you as far as the listener needing to have as many choices as possible, but the superstation idea does not impede with that. Since the superstation is one frequency (95.9), there is no possible way to hear it on two different stations in any given listening area.

sure there is, I sometimes rotate my outdoor antenna towards Farmersville and listen to 92.1 there and most of the time rotate it towards glen rose and listen to it there. If you have a proper directional antenna, it works quite well for "fringe" stations. especially if in the opposite direction from each other. Used to do that all the time for TV stations too. Rotate towards Evansville, watch a station, rotate towards Cincinnati, watch the same frequency. At times, I could rotate towards chicago and watch WLS too.

Wow, DFW, you are totally awesome for having an antenna that can do that. Kudos. I'm sure you are aware that most listeners do not have this capability, and that was who I had in mind when I made that statement. Even if these listeners did, they would still be in or fairly close to the metroplex area, and these four stations with the frequency 95.9 would be designed to cover the metroplex and surrounding areas. It's not like I am saying, "let KGSR in Austin take over KLIF's programming on 93.3 in Dallas," which are two completely different cities. If you wanted to hear a Dallas FM station (not through tropoducting) in Mount Pleasant or in Cisco, now you would have that option. As you said earlier, it's all about choices and diversity, right?


And Liberty you are right about the K240DS signal, but it is strong enough to be acceptable. We would just need a signal that would cover the east Dallas area, something in between KFWR and KSCH, which do offer city grade signals.

 

[dfwrunner]

I grew up in a rural area. Almost everybody had a top end channel master on a 50-75 foot tower with a rotator. Needed it to get stations from Indy, Louisville, Cincinnati, Evansville, and Terre Haute. We could get about 30 watchable stations in the middle of nowhere in the 70s.

 

[317C50KW]

And that was 1 reason why analogue TV was so cool!