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a big miss for cox

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StevesBank

with AM stations switching to fm nationwide in droves (because nobody not using a walker knows anything about AM,) cox could have bought Z93 and put whio on that. now, they're behind the times because they're only fm presence is that wimpy signal out of piqua or xeniatucky or wherever

too bad :'(
 
Not neccessarily. Cox actually can make a move. They can flip "The Eagle" to CHR to steal and get Z93's listeners. Have it be a hard hitting Mainstream CHR... like B94 in Pittsburgh.
 
lovejamminoldies said:
Not neccessarily. Cox actually can make a move. They can flip "The Eagle" to CHR to steal and get Z93's listeners. Have it be a hard hitting Mainstream CHR... like B94 in Pittsburgh.
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That will never happen. their signal doesn't cover Dayton's west side well enough.. besides COX is a company known for not taking big risks, making WZLR a "hard hitting" CHR would be a HUGE risk that would cost A LOT of money. Besides, "The Eagle" bills well and is incredibly cheap for them to run. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And it wasn't a mistake for Cox not to buy Z93... Trust me, they're doing fine just as they are
 
WHIO FM 95.7 does very well in the Northen Miami Valley. I know people who used to listen to talk radio on 1150 WIMA out of Lima, but now listen to WHIO on 95.7. 95.7 is a 50kw signal, and it is listenable still north of Lima, and while so so in terms of signal quality Dayton proper, I think Cox intentions was to provide WHIO's programming to those of us who can't pick up 1290 AM north of Dayton.
 
Aslo, the people at COX would love it if Z93 changed to something that would hurt Lite and Mix. Those are the only two stations that occasionally threaten the almighty K99.1's #1 spot.
 
95.7's signal is 50K transmitting just north of Piqua near Houston which has been transmitting there since 1986. It reaches into Muncie,IN,Lima and Cincinnati. Richard Hunt had the signal upgraded in 1976 from 35,000 watts when he still owned it as WPTW-FM.

I think WPTW was founded by Cox's DBA:"Miami Valley Broadcasting" (according to an old book "Miami County History" printed roughly around 1954) before Richard Hunt and Oscar Baker bought it in the 1960s if I am not mistaken.

Since Cox owns the DDN and several other mainstay newspapers,their radio/tv holdings are limited.
 
DaytonRadio said:
lovejamminoldies said:
Not neccessarily. Cox actually can make a move. They can flip "The Eagle" to CHR to steal and get Z93's listeners. Have it be a hard hitting Mainstream CHR... like B94 in Pittsburgh.
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That will never happen. their signal doesn't cover Dayton's west side well enough.. besides COX is a company known for not taking big risks, making WZLR a "hard hitting" CHR would be a HUGE risk that would cost A LOT of money. Besides, "The Eagle" bills well and is incredibly cheap for them to run. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And it wasn't a mistake for Cox not to buy Z93... Trust me, they're doing fine just as they are
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cox may be doing okay, but what about fry guy and campy? does the ritters frozen custard on wilmington have enough slots open on the nite shift?
 
StevesBank said:
DaytonRadio said:
lovejamminoldies said:
Not neccessarily. Cox actually can make a move. They can flip "The Eagle" to CHR to steal and get Z93's listeners. Have it be a hard hitting Mainstream CHR... like B94 in Pittsburgh.
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That will never happen. their signal doesn't cover Dayton's west side well enough.. besides COX is a company known for not taking big risks, making WZLR a "hard hitting" CHR would be a HUGE risk that would cost A LOT of money. Besides, "The Eagle" bills well and is incredibly cheap for them to run. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And it wasn't a mistake for Cox not to buy Z93... Trust me, they're doing fine just as they are
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cox may be doing okay, but what about fry guy and campy? does the ritters frozen custard on wilmington have enough slots open on the nite shift?
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;D LOLZ
 
kirkiefan said:
95.7's signal is 50K transmitting just north of Piqua near Houston which has been transmitting there since 1986. It reaches into Muncie,IN,Lima and Cincinnati. Richard Hunt had the signal upgraded in 1976 from 35,000 watts when he still owned it as WPTW-FM.

I think WPTW was founded by Cox's DBA:"Miami Valley Broadcasting" (according to an old book "Miami County History" printed roughly around 1954) before Richard Hunt and Oscar Baker bought it in the 1960s if I am not mistaken.

Since Cox owns the DDN and several other mainstay newspapers,their radio/tv holdings are limited.
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KirkieFan: you are correct. Under the present FCC laws regarding media ownership, Cox cannot purchase any more radio stations in Dayton, even if it wanted to. So, there was no "big miss" here. If those rules change...who knows? But for now, that's (in the words of Uncle Walter) "the way it is".
 
Could Brewer try to buy one of the Clear Channel spin offs?
 
As mentioned previously, Brewer is in no expansion mode and if anyone from Richmond buys anything, it'll be Rogers.

Unless Cox somehow grabs the move-in 101.5 (current WKSW), it does look like their only possible FM home for WHIO is 95.3 once the Sharonville move happens.
 
There are still many "chess moves" that could play out. But no one knows in the slightest what will, or could, happen.

I'm not privy to any of them. But, remember dear speculators, there's a lot of "if...if..iff-ing" going on here, a lot of which may, or may not happen.

What is today, may not be tomorrow...or 5, even 10 years from now. What will happen? Who knows?
 
Josh_Cols said:
WHIO FM 95.7 does very well in the Northen Miami Valley. I know people who used to listen to talk radio on 1150 WIMA out of Lima, but now listen to WHIO on 95.7. 95.7 is a 50kw signal, and it is listenable still north of Lima, and while so so in terms of signal quality Dayton proper, I think Cox intentions was to provide WHIO's programming to those of us who can't pick up 1290 AM north of Dayton.
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Looking at the radio-locator signal maps, it seems weird that Cox would choose 95.7 as the WHIO-FM. WHIO-AM's nighttime signal is aimed up north, blanketing Piqua pretty well. I wonder why Cox didn't pick a more southern stick like WZLR.
 
I've lived in Troy and Springfield, and WHIO (AM) has major issues during morning drive and evenings in both locations. This is especially true when a certain station in Benton, KY cranks up the country music way before they're allowed to(last week I heard Benton come up consistently at 7:30am EDT, that was well before their, or even Dayton's sunrise). It mae all the sense in the world to flip 95.7 as the simulcast.
 
Dayton loses 95.7 to Sharonville (Cincinnati).

Dayton gains 101.5 to Enon (Springfield)

*WOKL is moving to Tipp City as well

My guess is there will be some moving and shaking once this tower moves in to the area. The simulcast is great, and its proving to be very beneficial in the ratings for Cox with them having the Top 2 stations in all the money demos.

Mainline purchased the stations under the intent of moving 101.5 into Enon. The City of License for WDHT changes to Urbana to offer signal protection to the community of license. So this leaves Springfield without a commercially licensed FM radio station am I right?
The first thing comes to mind is 101.7 does well in Clark and Champaign counties. However 99.1 comes in very close if not ties them in almost every demo for the two counties, so in all reality 101.7 wont be that missed.

Mainline could make 15 million if selling 101.5 to Cox. Plus it would likely keep Mainline for competing with cash-cow WHKO-FM. Could we see a swap and shop between the two companies? I really dont know why Mainline would even want 95.3 but anything is possible. Remember the big stick sales from Clear Channel will be happening soon as well. This means 106.5 and 94.5 will be up for grabs and everyone is at limit, so this only makes it more interesting.

I highly doubt a fourth player is going to come into a saturated market like Dayton, its possible, but who only wants 2 FM sticks?

The other question stands. Once 95.7 moves to Sharonville, the allocation for 95.9 opens up for the community of St. Paris (thats what ive been told). However its only going to throw out a directional 3,000 watt ratio which would only benefit the likes of Sidney, Troy and Urbana. Not really enough to make it competitive in Dayton.

Interesting?
 
Do you ever see them adding a FM even if its only 600 watts in Springfield sometime to serve that city?
 
If such a thing were to happen, I would hope...no...I would pray that the person putting it on the air would be local owner with a good radio background who could do small market radio right.

Format could be anything...it wouldn't matter, you'd just need Springfield/Clark County news and information, some farm stuff, local weather and community events, high school sports, etc.

But, again...it would have to be run professionally and run with an eye for making money locally, not going after a Dayton market "niche".
 
Thats what I was thinking. If someone who wanted to do simply pure good, local radio that was professional and reasonable. It would work!

How about someone doing a building in Piqua and having

1570AM - PIQUA "Miami County's News Leader"

1600AM - SPRINGFIELD "Clark County's News Leader" - Sat ofc. at WULM building for sales and minimal programming

95.9FM - ST. PARIS "Upper Valley's Bright AC"

105.5 - SIDNEY "Upper Valley's Classic Hits"
 
Maybe. As far as a new FM, in some ways its too bad the translator space that the Radio U/KLove/Air 1 translators in the area can't be an LPFM, but that's the way the rules read right now. Maybe clustering 106.5 along with WMVR and WPTW and the new St. Paris could be a plan if/when CC spins it off.
 
That was my first thought as well. If you targeted 106.5 to service Greenville, Troy, Eaton, North and West burbia, you could have a great little FM with a lot of potential. Make it a neutral format as well.

Move it into a cluster with 95.9, 1570 and 105.5 would be a power play!
 
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