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A Change Coming to KGO

What's the benefit of getting gambling addicts going so they don't have money to buy advertisers products?

I don't have any personal moral problem with gambling in general. But for some people, putting it on the radio/online is like opening a discount liquor store in a sobriety house; It's not helping.

The iceberg is when someone lays a sizable bet on a team/player who's been doing great. But had a bad day. The gambler loses all their money (and they can't borrow anymore) and they go off on the deep end. With a gun. Threatening the team/players (It can happen.) I wouldn't want that hanging over my station.
I don't gamble myself, but let's be clear---this format doesn't open up an avenue to gamble on the air---the number of places to gamble and the opportunity to do so isn't affected. It simply talks about and promotes sports gambling.

You could argue that the casinos are getting gambling addicts too broke to eat the food or see the show, but that gets the argument backwards---those things are intended to bring people in and get them to gamble.

And, as BigA has said a couple of times now, think of this format as an informercial---spot sales will play a small part in the air product and the revenue picture.
 
I agree with you. It’s almost as if Cumulus doesn’t care anymore what happens to KGO. Putting a sports betting station on a 24/7 50,000 watt station in a state where sports betting is illegal and will remain illegal after November makes zero sense. There are a ton of other formats they could do that would be more successful than this.
Name 'em.
 
Agreed, but one could say it could've been done just a tad bit more elegantly that just an unexpected cut in. I don't think it deserved as much a send off as, for example, WPLJ in New York. They're not bleeding money bad enough to just walk into a show in progress and cut away.

Frankly, a local host in California discussing an election in Georgia deserves to be cancelled immediately. The only possible purpose of that line of discussion is pointing and laughing at the "dummies in Georgia".
 
The question being: "Why didn't KFRC continue to dominate if hilly terrain was the reason for their dominance?" Also, I thought they were #4 or 5 when they added "The Game Zone".
Semoochie:

First, signal. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. There are parts of the Bay Area where some FM signals have issues. And it varies by where you are and which station we're talking about.

It's not the same problem as existed in the 1970s and before, with drifting FM signals and multipath issues. The introduction of multipath rejection and phase loop locking in FM radios---especially FM car radios---cured a lot of that and made FM competitive.

The book where KFRC beat everyone---even KGO---was April/May 1978. Here's the SF top ten in that book:
1. KFRC-AM (Top 40): 8.4
2. KGO-AM (Talk): 7.6
3. KSFO-AM (A/C): 6.5
4. KCBS-AM (News): 5.8
5. KFOG-FM (Beautiful): 4.4
6. KIOI-FM (A/C): 3.9
7. KABL-AM (Beautiful): 3.5
8. KSFX-FM (Disco): 3.4
9. KNBR-AM (A/C): 3.3
10. KDIA-AM (R&B): 3.2

Worth noting that KABL-AM had a 3.5 while KABL-FM had a 2.4. KSFO's numbers were inflated by having Giants baseball (they were a 3.8 in the winter book).

Also, hilly terrain wasn't the entire reason for KFRC's dominance. It was one helluva radio station (as was KGO at the time). But the hilly terrain kept would-be competitors from investing in talent and promotion for their FMs at the level that would allow them to succeed in any significant way against KFRC. They largely chose lower-cost formats or formats that worked well in homes, stores and offices, where they didn't have to hit moving receivers.

But the walls were cracking----look at KIOI. In that winter book where KSFO got a 3.8? K-101 had a 3.7. And KNBR had a 3.0. So that format (A/C) was beginning to see significant impact from FM.

As for The Game Zone: KFRC launched that on April 18, 1985. The winter '84/'85 Arbitron was already out. Here's the top ten (eleven because of a tie):

1. KGO-AM (Talk): 8.8
2. KCBS-AM (News): 5.3
3. KYUU-FM (some called it A/C, some called it CHR): 4.1
4. KIOI-FM (same as KYUU---if these were A/C, they were very hot A/Cs): 3.5
5. KSOL-FM (R&B): 3.4
6. KABL-FM (Beautiful): 3.3
7. KSAN-FM (Country): 3.2
8. KFRC-AM (CHR): 3.1
9. KNBR-AM (A/C): 2.8
10. KFOG-FM (AOR): 2.7
10. KRQR-FM (AOR): 2.7

At first glance, that doesn't look too bad for KFRC. But clearly, contemporary music listening had moved to FM. KFRC and KNBR were the only AM music stations in the top ten.

Also, format changes rarely happen on the spur of the moment. You can bet RKO thought long and hard about The Game Zone before pulling the trigger.

KFRC was below a 3 share two books in a row before that winter 3.1---a 2.6 in summer of '84 and a 2.7 in fall. That 2.6 had KFRC in 13th place. The ranking improved to 9th in the fall '84 book, but it was only a 0.1 increase---KFRC went up in ranking because other stations did worse---and they weren't the stations KFRC was competing with.

Did the Game Zone hurt KFRC? Oh, hell yes---it was only on for half of the April/May '85 book and it sent the station crashing to a 1.9. But was KFRC in a situation where they just could have left it alone and it would have recovered? Nah.

Frankly, my suspicion has always been that Walt Sabo's real intention was to flip KFRC to standards all along. He was already offering his services to other stations with his approach to the format. And when RKO finally decided to go for it in August of 1986, it was his format they used.
 
Frankly, a local host in California discussing an election in Georgia deserves to be cancelled immediately. The only possible purpose of that line of discussion is pointing and laughing at the "dummies in Georgia".
Or, y'know---a race that could decide which party controls the Senate.

C'mon, PTBoardOp---national politics has been fair game for "local hosts" for decades---well before the current era. Michael Jackson at KABC springs to mind---and for that matter, EVERY host on KGO in its glory days.
 
As for The Game Zone: KFRC launched that on April 18, 1985. The winter '84/'85 Arbitron was already out. Here's the top ten (eleven because of a tie):

1. KGO-AM (Talk): 8.8
2. KCBS-AM (News): 5.3
3. KYUU-FM (some called it A/C, some called it CHR): 4.1
4. KIOI-FM (same as KYUU---if these were A/C, they were very hot A/Cs): 3.5
5. KSOL-FM (R&B): 3.4
6. KABL-FM (Beautiful): 3.3
7. KSAN-FM (Country): 3.2
8. KFRC-AM (CHR): 3.1
9. KNBR-AM (A/C): 2.8
10. KFOG-FM (AOR): 2.7
10. KRQR-FM (AOR): 2.7
The 8.8 ratings for KGO-AM in 1985 looks like where KQED-FM or KCBS Radio would be today for top spots in the ppm for San Francisco.

But then again San Francisco's demographics have changed in the past 35-40 years.
 
That's why they don't charge admission.
I took my first European trip this spring, and while we were in the South of France, we drove to Monte Carlo. I wanted to see the big casino that's been in all the movies I'd grown up with.

You walk past the Lamborghinis, Bentleys and Rolls-Royces that face outward (the valets have the best job), up the stairs and into the foyer. There's a small room with some video poker machines and slots. And a big curtain beyond. That's the main casino. To get in there, you have to pay admission of 17 Euros each and meet a dress code. We were on a budget, so we saved the 34 Euros for dinner. Maybe next time.

By the way, you cannot enter the casino AT ALL if you're a resident of Monaco. The principality has a law dating back to the 1800s intended to protect its citizens from gambling away their cash rather than saving or spending it.
 
By the way, you cannot enter the casino AT ALL if you're a resident of Monaco. The principality has a law dating back to the 1800s intended to protect its citizens from gambling away their cash rather than saving or spending it.
Don't the casinos in nearby France and Italy welcome gamblers from Monaco? Nanny-state laws like Monaco's don't work when the thing they bar citizens from doing is available and easily accessible across a border. Oh well, at least those people whom their own government assumes will lose everything if they so much as set foot in a casino will be spending some money in Monaco -- for gasoline or train/plane fare to get out of Monaco and spend much more money in another country.
 
This is what happens every time a formerly major station changes. People lost their minds when KFRC became a standards station as Magic 61 in 1986.

"That's crazy! KFRC is number one!"

"Um...number twenty-one."

"When did they stop being number one?"

"Eight years ago. When did you stop listening?"

"Hmmmm......."
True we said the same for TV and we ended up with answers surrounding the reasons KOFY and KDOC flipped earlier in the year and we ended up with TV's that carry streaming services and not OTA signals on that one.


 
A lot of conservative business people will support sports gambling because it is so lucrative. They are not going to let any traditional notions of morality get in the way of raking in the dough. It’s the same thinking that killed off blue laws in many states…they were missing out on $$$$$ by keeping the stores closed on Sunday.
The church people were very happy to shop and dine out between morning and evening church services.
 
Going back to Salem carrying shows not syndicated by them, WGTK in Greenville SC has Hannity from 3-6 and used to carry Levin from 9-12am until a competitor grabbed his show or they dropped it for more of their own programming. iHeart doesn’t have a talker in the market.
 
Frankly, a local host in California discussing an election in Georgia deserves to be cancelled immediately. The only possible purpose of that line of discussion is pointing and laughing at the "dummies in Georgia".
The election in Georgia has national implications for control of the Senate. t also speaks to the cynicism of the GQP in thinking "we need a black football player to run against a civil rights leader".
 
XEQK in Mexico City had 11 5" spots and one time check each minute. You could buy a spot every minute, one every two minutes or one every 4 minutes. That was the whole thing. It was automated. XEQK used its call letters to identify, and was not called "Radio Reloj".
XEQK was also called “La Hora Exacta”. It was well known to shortwave listeners as the 1350 signal in Mexico City was simulcast on 9555 kHz. I recall the SW signal came in all day long in Texas, and it was interesting to hear the various product and business jingles. The SW transmitter was shut down sometime in the 1990s IIRC.
 
Don't the casinos in nearby France and Italy welcome gamblers from Monaco? Nanny-state laws like Monaco's don't work when the thing they bar citizens from doing is available and easily accessible across a border. Oh well, at least those people whom their own government assumes will lose everything if they so much as set foot in a casino will be spending some money in Monaco -- for gasoline or train/plane fare to get out of Monaco and spend much more money in another country.
They do, but remember that the law was passed in 1880-something. The 11.8 kilometer (7.5 mile) trek to Beaulieu-Sur-Mer was a little rougher back then. Actually, the law allowing gambling in French seaside resort towns was passed in 1907.

My guess, having seen what houses in Monaco look like, is that very few of those folks are itching to gamble. They're into wealth accumulation.
 
Frankly, a local host in California discussing an election in Georgia deserves to be cancelled immediately. The only possible purpose of that line of discussion is pointing and laughing at the "dummies in Georgia".
Someone already made the response I was going to, but with that said, I guess all the other local radio hosts across the country talking about the midterm elections in other states should also be cancelled.
 
A postscript to that: One of the reasons I don't gamble is what the PD who hired me in Reno in 1977 told me:

"The reason you can afford to work for what we pay ($750 a month) is that other people come to town to pay your state income tax for you---at the casinos."
 
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But, this is coming from the company that ruined KGO. If they would have stuck with the live and local talk format back in 2011, they would still be successful, similar to KFI in LA.

Huh? They weren't successful in 2011. The station was losing money. Most of the local hosts were in their 70s. Same with the audience. Gene Burns died in 2013. Staying the course was not a format for the future. For the past 8 years they stuck with live & local talk through the pandemic, and it was going nowhere.

As pointed out by David and others, AM listenership is higher in San Francisco than other metropolitan areas so that is not the issue. It’s ownership screwing up the format.

That's based on KCBS and KNBR, both of which have FM simulcasts, but are listed in Nielsen as AM stations.
 
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