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A Change Coming to KGO

Aren't the ones that no one wants are the ones that are about to lose (or have lost) their antenna sites, or had to move to sites without utility power and run on generator
True is small low revenue markets. But the owner of KABC in LA has been trying for years to sell it, and nobody wants to pay any kind of decent price for it.
(I recall a couple of Palm Springs area AMs going dark because of that).
Palm Springs is a market with horribly low revenue and too many stations. There is not a single AM that covers the whole market, either. So AMs are only of value to allow for getting a translator.
I have to admit that I'm waiting for a "hipster revival" of AM in the same way that Vinyl and Cassettes have come back (in a limited way). Only not sure how many people reminisce about 50s and 60s AM radio programming exist.
I had a couple of very successful stations in the mid and later 60's and there is nothing about them that I would want to repeat today.
 
I agree, but I don’t think it has to move to FM for people to desire to tune in. Some of the AM naysayers seem to think that any content on AM is automatically doomed. Compelling content is compelling content regardless of where it is on the radio dial from my perspective. And personally, I don’t see anything wrong with the audio quality on 50KW AM stations. I’d actually say that these stations sound just fine.
What's the "compelling content" that's going to get people buying AM radios to hear? What if sports betting is it?
 
I’m struggling to understand why AM has lost this much (relative) “value” in such a short period of time. Sure, FM is the clear winner, but that doesn’t immediately indicate to me that the entire AM band is a loss.
Don't forget coverage. In most larger markets, only one or two AMs have full day and night coverage. In some, like Phoenix, there are no stations that cover it all. In total, there are about 180 AMs in the top 100 markets that cover at least 80% of the market day and night.

So there are very few good signals. Lots more man made noise. Why would anyone bother to even explore AM today?
 
I don’t see anything wrong with the audio quality on 50KW AM stations. I’d actually say that these stations sound just fine.
AM is limited to a 10 kHz bandwidth, and subject to noise. AMs sound deficient if not terrible compared to FM and most streams.
 
I can’t name one because nobody has done it. I guess I could argue that KIRO 710 isn’t a terrible example, because the sports format that launched in the late 2000’s was completely new, and it’s worked out for them pretty well.

If iHeart gets either of the major teams away from them and puts the games on KJR, you'll see audiences move.
 
Don't forget coverage. In most larger markets, only one or two AMs have full day and night coverage. In some, like Phoenix, there are no stations that cover it all. In total, there are about 180 AMs in the top 100 markets that cover at least 80% of the market day and night.

So there are very few good signals. Lots more man made noise. Why would anyone bother to even explore AM today?
That’s a fair point, however, sometimes the opposite is true. In some markets, there are areas where FM sounds terrible due to terrain issues. From my personal experience, AM has always worked fine and I’ve never thought twice about listening to AM.
 
AM (analog) radio audio quality is doomed by so
Here we go again. Even a 50 kw AM is going to spend only around $8,000 a month for electricity for the transmitter. For any station that has decent coverage and a good frequency, that is going to be a relatively minor expense.
I stand corrected. I didn't realize how effecient modern medium wave transmitters are. e.g. specs say Nautel MW50 uses 55kw unmodulated, 85kw fully modulated, so 55 * 24 * 30 = 39600 * price which indeed would be in the $8000 range.
 
So if nobody wants to buy KGO, what does that make the 5,000 watt AM station in a small town worth, or a low powered rimshot station down the road from a metro area with a lousy signal?
Every week or so a couple of those little stations turn in their license.

But now the majority of AMs outside of major metros have translators, and they must keep the AM running to hold the FM. The AM alone is valueless.

Were the FCC to allow permanency for the translators and permit the AMs to close, I'll bet over 2,000 AMs would be gone within 12 months... maybe more.
 
From my personal experience, AM has always worked fine and I’ve never thought twice about listening to AM.
I have very bad luck listening to AM where I live (SF Mission/Bernal area). There is so much RF noise, from everything from solar inverters to electric cars to computers. I have heard the reason Teslas don't have AM is because it was too hard to keep the noise from the car systems out (and that doesn't surprise me at all).
It seems like AM doesn't work well in modern urban environments, but still works well outside of them.
 
I can’t name one because nobody has done it. I guess I could argue that KIRO 710 isn’t a terrible example, because the sports format that launched in the late 2000’s was completely new, and it’s worked out for them pretty well.
But it was a heritage AM with heritage calls. Just as KTAR in PHX moved talk to FM and does sports on 620 AM.

Other than those and a couple more, all heritage stations with refreshed formats, there has been no "new" station with a totally different set of calls and formatics to come on and succeed in the last two decades. The closest would be the conservative talker on 1040 in Miami which gets very good ratings and is pretty much "brand new".
 
Absolutely not, but at least it’s free (not if you buy a premium subscription of course). If I really want to hear something, I’m sure I can find it on YouTube.
Since my stereo fried a couple years ago all my music listening is either a couple HD2s or YouTube, mostly YouTube. You just search for the song or piece of music you want to hear, and bring it up. The sound on most of the songs I've heard is superb. I don't have YT collate something for me, I seek it out and play it. Just as I would do with my CDs. Look for it, pull it out, put it in the player.... The online equivalent. Fairly simple.

RE: KGO and the format serving the public interest: I would bet that definition of "public interest" is fairly wide. People are interested in betting. Look at the popularity of casinos. Concerning the validity of gambling or betting being in the 'public interest' lot of people 'vote yes' with their betting money. Every Super Bowl someone mentions the odds of a certain team winning. It's obviously of interest to enough people.

And as for KGO itself, they aren't just playing the betting shows, they have Jim Rome during the late mornings and CBS Sports Radio after 8 p.m. It looks like it's a mix.
 
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I have very bad luck listening to AM where I live (SF Mission/Bernal area). There is so much RF noise, from everything from solar inverters to electric cars to computers. I have heard the reason Teslas don't have AM is because it was too hard to keep the noise from the car systems out (and that doesn't surprise me at all).
It seems like AM doesn't work well in modern urban environments, but still works well outside of them.
It is true, the noise floor is a problem for AM. For this reason, I don’t see a very bright future at all for many AM stations. I think the graveyard band needs to close up shop at this point. Usually the big signals (clear channel, or other strong signals) can overcome much of the interference.
 
But it was a heritage AM with heritage calls. Just as KTAR in PHX moved talk to FM and does sports on 620 AM.

Other than those and a couple more, all heritage stations with refreshed formats, there has been no "new" station with a totally different set of calls and formatics to come on and succeed in the last two decades. The closest would be the conservative talker on 1040 in Miami which gets very good ratings and is pretty much "brand new".
If we’re also considering international examples, some of the multicultural stations that have launched on the AM band have also been a success. A signal on 600 in Vancouver is a good example.
 
Help me out here---is there care and personality in music on YouTube (serious question)?
Yes. You can find everything musical on YT from symphonies to pop to classic rock to rap to blues, even old school blues from Robert Johnson. You can find live shows from Woodstock 1969 to Woodstock '94 and '99 to Wacken (rock) to Wembley to TV clips of the Beatles and everything else in between. A lot of it in stereo, or as higher quality mono than you probably heard on the TV speaker when you were growing up.

You just have to use the search box.
 
The noise is the real issue.
The 10khz AM bandwidth limitation is only half an octave less than FM's bandwidth, and if you've listened to AM music radio on a good receiver or mod monitor that doesn't have all the de-emphasis and stuff to curtail noise, 10k is fine.
 
But that argument doesn’t always hold up. Sure, most of the audience is on FM, but if there is compelling content on an AM station that the listener can pick up, won’t they listen anyway? By that logic, I could put the most compelling content in the market on an AM signal and it will receive few listeners just because it’s on the AM band. In Seattle, ESPN is on 710, and this station performs well in the ratings.
It's an AM-FM simulcast. 97.3. Same thing that keeps KCBS and KNBR in San Francisco looking solid.
 
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