What does a 1.7 rating equate in AQH Listeners (that is how many concurrent listeners were tuned in at that moment?)
How many people actually heard that transition live?
How many people actually heard that transition live?
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A Change Coming to KGO
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I'm sure David can get us close to an answer. I'll just point out that the 1.7 is over the period of a month, and that doesn't necessarily equate to how many people were actually listening at 10:16 on that particular Thursday morning.
I’m wishing service or advice talk radio was still a viable format. I learned more about money and different savings/investment options in addition to other personal finance matters (e.g. mortgages) from Harry Gross on WCAU-AM/WWDB-FM than I did in high school and college. I found real estate, relationships, restaurants and cars themed talk radio shows interesting and educational.
Yeah. What's funny (well, maybe not) is that six years ago, the general consensus in the industry was that after the 2016 election was over, we'd need to re-invent talk radio and get back to those things. The idea was that Rush was very likely to retire and there just wouldn't be a market for politically-oriented talk.
Clearly, they got that one wrong. Some guys (like Perry Michael Simon at AllAccess) never gave up (he's still advocating it).
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Here is Mark Thompson's appearance on KFI-AM on the Tim Conway show with Conway doing the interview about Thompson being the last voice on KGO-FM.
So, I went and listened. Thompson actually has listened to the type of shows KGO now carries and bet, he says. Conway said Mark would have been perfect for the format and Mark said "Yeah, I could have scratched my degenerate itch." Conway says he fell for the programs and did a little betting too.
Mark did not discuss AT ALL what he knew or what was going on at the time of the flip. Just that he was the last voice on KGO and Tim said they handled it badly and could have let him say goodbye.
Mark did not discuss AT ALL what he knew or what was going on at the time of the flip. Just that he was the last voice on KGO and Tim said they handled it badly and could have let him say goodbye.
It's all on YouTube and Twitch now. Live-streamed and archived, hit the like button and subscribe as they say.
Maybe they did listen to KGO. 201K apparently did. Perhaps the complainers were part of that 201K.
AM not FM is what I meant here.
AM will still be going in 10 years, although I'm sure quite a few stations will have the plug pulled. 20 years? not so sure there will be many AMers. Maybe half or less of what we have now? All one has to do is tune across the biggest SW broadcast band and see how much a spectrum can be depopulated in just 10 years.
There are plenty of ethnic stations on AM still, however, and HD might keep some AMers going across the US, maybe a handful nationwide, then they will pull the plug when FM stations start dying off.
FM maybe will last 15 years longer than AM.
I'm surprised that the local daily newspapers (three of them in my metro) still have paper editions. Old tech doesn't die off as quickly as some may think it will.
There are plenty of ethnic stations on AM still, however, and HD might keep some AMers going across the US, maybe a handful nationwide, then they will pull the plug when FM stations start dying off.
FM maybe will last 15 years longer than AM.
I'm surprised that the local daily newspapers (three of them in my metro) still have paper editions. Old tech doesn't die off as quickly as some may think it will.
The present is a lousy predictor of the future. A lot of stuff I thought had a good ten or twenty years left in it went away quicker than that.
What’s going to drive the demise of both bands (separately) will be how quickly the generations that use radio the least become the majority of the sales demographic. I think, with very few exceptions, AM is gone in 10-15 years. FM might have 25, but I won’t be shocked if it’s less.
No station has a 1.7 rating. That would be the equivalent of about a 22 share of audience.
The 1.7 is share, not rating. That is the percentage of people who are listening to radio at all who are listening to a particular station.
About 8,500 in a market of about 8 million.
I'm just here to point out that Spotify has one profitable quarter in its entire history (around 10 years). It increasingly looks to me like "the streaming companies" can only survive if they are subsidiaries of Google, Amazon or Apple, operating with infinite piles of money.
But at the same time, Streaming has become the dominant form of music consumption in the US. By music consumption, the RIAA doesn't apparently include OTA broadcast, as it's not reflected in their music consumption chart.
If the dominant form of music consumption isn't really turning a profit, maybe that's problematic. But, at the same time, it's the future, and it must be making somebody some money, because it's the dominant music consumption business model.
Here's the RIAA chart that illustrates this. 83% of the revenues from music consumption in the US is streaming, and most of that is from paid streaming subscriptions.:
So, streaming is the preferred business model, whether the individual streaming companies are turning a profit or not.
You make a good point, though. It appears that it takes a massive conglomerate to keep it viable financially.
Exactly. From Forbes, which says Spotify is finding itself in a similar situation to Netflix:
” The Netflix comparison looks apt, especially when one considers Spotify’s biggest competition, AppleAAPL -3.2% Music and Apple Podcasts, is owned by a cash flow machine in Apple (AAPL), just as Netflix’s biggest competitors are cash flow generating businesses such as Disney (DIS) and Warner Bros Discovery (WBD).”
Full article here: Spotify: The Music Is Ending For This Once High-Flyer
But they weren't enough, especially in a market made up of millions. Majority rules.
When I hear about dashboard apps like these, I immediately think about how I will NEVER figure out how to use any of this stuff. I rented a car about a year ago (which was equipped with a fairly fancy infotainment configuration), and it was the most confusing thing I’ve ever seen. Though my first car (an older Ford Ranger, hence my name on here) only had an AM radio. It was a big upgrade when I sold that car and bought a Honda Accord, which gave me FM.True and KCBS Radio has been de emphasizing 740 AM for some time mainly to get listeners over to 106.9 FM going back to when CBS Radio managed KCBS and KFRC. That started in San Francisco and some of that was about the median audience using FM over AM when the FM simulcast started. Now it's about this one considering that newer cars have dashboard apps that radio and podcast outlets are adapting to newer tech which is at play in this decade.
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Some manufacturers do make their infotainment interfaces overly complex. That said, Apple CarPlay (I've never used Android Auto) is very intuitive.
In most cases, connection just involves plugging your phone in via USB cable (which you're probably doing to charge your phone anyway). Your phone would then ask if you want it to connect to the vehicle via Apple CarPlay.
When you say yes, it puts Apple CarPlay on the same menu you use to select Satellite or OTA radio. From then on, all you have to do is select it, as you would a radio band.
When you do select it, it gives you a landscape-oriented view of the Apple CarPlay-compatible apps that already exist on your iPhone, and includes an icon for the vehicle, so you can move easily out of CarPlay and into the vehicle menu when you want to.
You just tap an icon (phone, music, maps, messages, podcasts, news, audiobooks) or ask Siri to go to whichever one you want.
The screen changes to that app, but icons for your three most frequently-used apps remain in the sidebar on the left, and the eight white squares at the bottom of the sidebar take you back to the main Apple CarPlay menu shown above. So here's "phone"---a slightly different layout of what you see on your iPhone (apologies for the crooked shot). Nice big buttons for when you're parked---while in motion, you can ask Siri to place the call for you. Every number in your phone contacts list is now also accessible through CarPlay. So you just say "Hey, Siri. Call home (or whoever)."
Tap "maps" and you get the same Apple Maps that's on your phone. If you prefer Google Maps, all you need is to have that app on your phone and select it instead. Again, you can enter addresses or points of interest manually when parked or have Siri look it up and begin navigation for you (she'll ask).
The same with "podcasts".
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...and "music". The main "music" menu (which I neglected to shoot) shows "library" (for your own songs and albums) and "browse" which opens up the entire Apple Music library of songs, albums and playlists. When you choose those, they break into more easily-searchable and browsable categories.
As I think I mentioned in this thread or one other, I use Apple Music and Apple CarPlay for my aircheck collection:
...so I can literally go for navigation, phone, voicemail or texts (it reads them out loud to you and you can dictate responses), audiobooks (not shown because I don't have any), AM, FM, SiriusXM, albums, playlists, podcasts, or my own aircheck collection all from the same device (the phone I always carry with me anyway) via the same app, simply by touching big, bright, well-lit buttons or using Siri.
Once you use it for a week, it's second nature. And I'm not happy on the rare occasions when I get a car that doesn't have Apple CarPlay.
...and "music". The main "music" menu (which I neglected to shoot) shows "library" (for your own songs and albums) and "browse" which opens up the entire Apple Music library of songs, albums and playlists. When you choose those, they break into more easily-searchable and browsable categories.
As I think I mentioned in this thread or one other, I use Apple Music and Apple CarPlay for my aircheck collection:
...so I can literally go for navigation, phone, voicemail or texts (it reads them out loud to you and you can dictate responses), audiobooks (not shown because I don't have any), AM, FM, SiriusXM, albums, playlists, podcasts, or my own aircheck collection all from the same device (the phone I always carry with me anyway) via the same app, simply by touching big, bright, well-lit buttons or using Siri.
Once you use it for a week, it's second nature. And I'm not happy on the rare occasions when I get a car that doesn't have Apple CarPlay.
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Thank you for a VERY detailed explanation of how this works. Is that a radio from a Mini Cooper? The car I rented was a 2017 Mazda, and it definitely was not intuitive at all. It felt like you had to navigate through many screens just to get to a menu that would allow the radio station to be changed. It looks like you have to have quite a bit of information on your phone to make this system worthwhile though. My phone (iPhone SE) has all of my contacts, but no music or any other useful apps on it. Though it looks like you can pretty much use any app from your phone if you’ve got CarPlay installed.
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