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A day in the life of a lamptimer

Dr. Akbar said:
Aint no way 52 watts can make it from Scottsdale to Buckeye on that frequency!

I was amused to see a 1310 billboard on Indian School a few blocks west of the 101 today... I switched band and tuned to 1310. I got a great signal from APS' overhead lines, but no sign of the signal from Mesa... even on day power!!!

While Avondale is not quite Buckeye (nothing is quite like Buckeye, except, maybe, Guadalupe in August), it's funny how little some station operators know of their own coverage.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Dr. Akbar said:
Aint no way 52 watts can make it from Scottsdale to Buckeye on that frequency!

I was amused to see a 1310 billboard on Indian School a few blocks west of the 101 today... I switched band and tuned to 1310. I got a great signal from APS' overhead lines, but no sign of the signal from Mesa... even on day power!!!

While Avondale is not quite Buckeye (nothing is quite like Buckeye, except, maybe, Guadalupe in August), it's funny how little some station operators know of their own coverage.

OK, so the power lines are full of the byproducts of switched-current devices. We all know that. Many, many industrial, commercial,
and home products are in no way in compliance with FCC standards for unintentional radiator emissions.
No fault at all of the radio station. Only the fault of manufacturers who don't care and the FCC, which apparently doesn't care.
What is the position of the NAB on this nationwide problem?
Rather than ridicule the radio station, why not suggest how to bring this RF spectrum pollution into compliance?
I'll bet they put a fine signal into the area, but "we" collectively value our cheap lamp dimmers too much.

Personally, I won't even use flourescent lamps for the amount of interference they create.
The first thing I did when I moved into my house in 1993 was to remove all the cable TV wiring, and call the cable company to come get their cable off my property before I yanked it out of the junction box on the pole. Too much leakage and intermod in my AM reception.

Consider being part of the solution.....you MUST know some people who could get this ball rolling.
 
Tom Wells said:
OK, so the power lines are full of the byproducts of switched-current devices. We all know that. Many, many industrial, commercial,
and home products are in no way in compliance with FCC standards for unintentional radiator emissions.
No fault at all of the radio station.

The noise leaves in large metros is such that the 10 mV/m contour is seen as producing around 90% or better of a stations' AQH listening.

Avondale is outside that contour for KIHP, which has a transmitter way to the ESE of the market and is on a high dial position.

KIHP should know they are wasting money, today, promoting an unlistenable signal outside its useful coverage area.

Billboards are radio's "Point of Purchase" and inviting listening where the signal sucks is just bad business sense.

What is the position of the NAB on this nationwide problem?

I was addressing one local station, with a suburban license and very distant transmitter site, which was spending money promoting itself where its signal was not ideally listenable.

I also saw a board for KXOL 96.3 in Redlands, CA, near the intersection of the 10 and 215 freeways. That location is at least 20 miles beyond any useful coverage area of LA's KXOL that it is even more absurd than the Phoenix example.

I did not know that the FCC regulated broadcaster stupidity.

Rather than ridicule the radio station, why not suggest how to bring this RF spectrum pollution into compliance?

Or why not suggest how to enter a parallel dimension where 5 kw on 1310 puts a usable signal beyond what the laws of physics say is possible?

The radio station made a bad billboard buy; either they did not target the areas where they have a usable signal or they did not look at the board contract any too closely.

Add in the fact that they drop to 500 watts at night, and placing boards in December where a part of morning and afternoon drive have no hope of being heard is certainly an indication that the station does not recognize both its potential and its limitations.

I'll bet they put a fine signal into the area, but "we" collectively value our cheap lamp dimmers too much.

No, they don't put a fine signal there. Particularly with the night signal. That facility has not been competitive since the 60's, when Phoenix was a town of under a million.

Noise comes from vehicles, power lines (desert lines are notoriously noisy from dust build up due to winds, and essentially unmitigatable) CFL's (mandated by law in some places) computers, dimmers, smart phones, and anything with a microprocessor... even my washer and drier make AM noise squeals now!

The first thing I did when I moved into my house in 1993 was to remove all the cable TV wiring, and call the cable company to come get their cable off my property before I yanked it out of the junction box on the pole. Too much leakage and intermod in my AM reception.

That sounds a bit too much on the Luddite side for me... but just recently I met someone who wanted to go back to hollow state transmitters, too.

Consider being part of the solution.....you MUST know some people who could get this ball rolling.

In PHX, there is only one AM with any amount of under-55 listening, and only two with what could be called full market signals... and one has doubtful status in this regard at night. AM in PHX is just not effective any more. The city outgrew the signals, and the remaining somewhat good signals can't draw enough people to the band to keep it sustainable.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Dr. Akbar said:
Aint no way 52 watts can make it from Scottsdale to Buckeye on that frequency!

I was amused to see a 1310 billboard on Indian School a few blocks west of the 101 today... I switched band and tuned to 1310. I got a great signal from APS' overhead lines, but no sign of the signal from Mesa... even on day power!!!

IHR probably bought one of those "cost effective" billboard packages that gives you a ton of boards with no guarantee they'll be in the areas you really want. But Nurse Jeff and I question why they would purchase billboards anyway as they've got such a strong listener potential within the Phoenix Diocese and a lock on being the only Catholic radio station in the Valley.

While Avondale is not quite Buckeye (nothing is quite like Buckeye, except, maybe, Guadalupe in August)

At least we have our own police department and don't have to worry about Sheriff Joe busting us for a broken tail light on the '76 Gremlin!

it's funny how little some station operators know of their own coverage.

Gumpdusky knows exactly how limited Lumberyard 14~Forty is and that's why you'll never see a billboard for the All Day Goldmine. However the Buckeye Boyz still believe with their East Phoenix, Central Scottsdale, Tempe and West Mesa coverage, ColonBlow or Bible thumping is it's highest and best calling!
 
catfish said:
They had the billboards up before the official sign on by the catholic church

I also thought the Christmas greeting was nice, 5 days after the 25th...
 
And 2.5 microvolts was the REAL standard for high quality AM receiver capabilities for many, many years.

I again insist that isnstead of dimissing a problem, we attack it head on.

The Goldmine could have twice the listeners if only the grunge were cleaned up!
 
Tom Wells said:
And 2.5 microvolts was the REAL standard for high quality AM receiver capabilities for many, many years.

I again insist that isnstead of dimissing a problem, we attack it head on.

The Goldmine could have twice the listeners if only the grunge were cleaned up!

Today's noise levels, a combination of so many things ranging from new technology to dirty insulators, make metro listening to AM below the 10 mV/m level extremely rare. The listener will no longer put up with fading, static, noise, and other artifacts of AM because there are too many choices.

Kids in Show Low and Holbrook and Cottonwood and Kingman would put up with all of that on KOMA in the 60's and X-Rock 80 in the 70's... now they don't have to and they are gone from AM. They are not coming back because it offers nothing that is better than their current entertainment choices.

Oh, and those kids from the 60's are 60 today. Anyone younger has pretty much no use for AM, no matter how we slice and dice it.

Clearwire, WiMax, Pandora, LastFm, YouTube, smart phones... that's where the audience is. Forget the AM transmitters. Get ready to forget the FM ones. That is yeasterday's technology... actually, it is a year of yesterday's technology. Radio will only survive based on the delivery of content, not the maintenance of some Nautel or Harris or BE box.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Clearwire, WiMax, Pandora, LastFm, YouTube, smart phones... that's where the audience is. Forget the AM transmitters. Get ready to forget the FM ones.

Exactly right...nothing will bring back Ancient Modulation in Phoenix. And FM is even more susceptible to the emerging technologies cited by Senor Gringo Viejo. That's why it's hard for Nurse Jeff and me to understand why Gumpdusky hangs on to Lumberyard 14~Forty as it's value going forward diminishes each year. So unless they plan to unload the tower of Ponderosa pow-pow-power soon, might as well get some cash flow going with Colonblow or Bible thumping programming!
 
DavidEduardo said:
catfish said:
They had the billboards up before the official sign on by the catholic church

I also thought the Christmas greeting was nice, 5 days after the 25th...

Well, in the Catholic church, Christmas begins on 12/25 and ends on the Epiphany, so technically the bishop's greeting wasn't out of date... I'm sure all 3 people listening to KIHP understood.
 
What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports is a goin' on with the audio at Lumberyard 14~Forty? Nurse Jeff and I tuned in Tuesday afternoon for our daily dose of worn out oldies and heard all kinds of buzz, fuzz and loose line connections. Could it be Gumpdusky didn't pay the latest Qwest bill for that 3k line that runs from Londen Center to the banks of the canal in South Scottsdale? We sure hope someone gets crackin' on this problem as there aint but one other Ancient Modulation station playing music in the Valley.
 
So even an aging STL should pass 15 kHz audio, but then of course
you run it into the AM XMTR which cuts a good part of that off
(down to maybe 8 kHz on a good day?), followed by crap (even
without I-CRAP on Lumberyard 1440) for your typical AM radio...
now you're lucky to get 5 kHz.

At least that is a little better than what Cheap Channel did when
installing I-CRAP where the analog side (you know, the sound heard
by 98% of the station's listeners) was cut down to only 4 kHz. :eek:

BTW, while CC's 550 and 1230 are still running the hash 'n' hiss, it's
been turned off for a while on 910. Maybe it broke and iCRAPuity
just hasn't made it out here yet to attempt to fix it.
 
ArtSpooner said:
I had to bring Jim back to page 1 to help me celebrate Scott Brown's great victory. For the first time in a while I'm not ashamed to be from Massachusetts. A couple of local radio stations really promoted Brown, who, 3 months ago was a virtual unknown. WEEI 850 AM (Dennis and Callahan in morning drive)and WTKK 96.9 FM(Jay Severin in afternoon drive) really made the difference.

Allow us to return the favor:


I We had to bring Jim back the Lamptimer to page 1 to help me us celebrate Scott Brown's great victory the defeat of McCain-Feingold. For the first time in a while I'm the Nurse and I are we're not ashamed to be from Massachusetts Buckeye. A couple of local radio stations really promoted Brown the repeal, who which, 3 months 20 years ago was a virtual unknown an attack on free speech. WEEI 850 AM (Dennis and Callahan in morning drive)and WTKK 96.9 FM(Jay Severin in afternoon drive) KFWhyEye really made the difference.

With all this rain, does anyone think the Gumpdusky lamptimer will even work?
 
Attention fellow Phoenicians! It is my duty to report to the Lumberyard faithful the new sign-off time for the month of February.

Today, Super Bowl Sunday 2010, that time was 6:19 P.M. and 5 seconds. Not too shabby considering the official sunset time was 6:06 P.M. Also, that's a drastic improvement from last month's 5:45 P.M.ish sign-off time. Taking into account the limited pre-sunrise power that still begins a little after 6:00 A.M., we now have the Lumberyard blasting away for the majority of the day. I knew February was going to be a good month! ;D
 
asugeorge1 said:
Today, Super Bowl Sunday 2010, that time was 6:19 P.M. and 5 seconds. Not too shabby considering the official sunset time was 6:06 P.M.

Shabby. Supposed to be 6:15pm all during the month of February. That drifting lamptimer is way off for the 7th day of a new month! If you can put up with limited Pre Sunrise pow-pow-power of 500 watts, you'll be glad to know that on April 1st Lumberyard 14~Forty will sign on at 6am with 5kw. That's cause for a school holiday at the Buckeye Media Hut!
 
This morning at 7:20 I tuned into 1440 and could hardly here it. I thought maybe the batteries were dying in the radio, so tried another station and it was fine. Then went back, and at 7:20:51, they jumped to full power. It made me wonder, what is the most KAZG has been off from the proper time for full power? And was that ahead or behind time. Sign on or sign off?

I would think with live programming (I guess that sports show is live), that some effort would be made to be on time. They do have advertisers, don't they? Wouldn't and advertiser want full power if he is paying for an ad?
 
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