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A NEW AM STATION IN YELM?

SeattleRadioPro said:
Sure thing!
http://www.theolympian.com/670/story/656572.html

Apparently Mr. Butler hasn't heard that AM radio on crowded frequencies (i.e. 1120) is dying a slow death - HD or no HD.
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From the article:

The primary channel will broadcast in analog and digital signals, but he also plans an auxiliary channel strictly for digital listeners, he said. He envisions a radio station in Yelm in which on-air personalities would be visible to the public

Does he know AM can't multitask?

This guy sounds like he has NO Idea about the technical side of a radio station.
 
If that station signs on, I'll never get KPNW!! I'm so sad they would use 1120 for a station in Yelm. Use 1630 AM instead! :'( :'(
 
radioguybroadcasting said:
crainbebo said:
If that station signs on, I'll never get KPNW!! I'm so sad they would use 1120 for a station in Yelm. Use 1630 AM instead! :'( :'(
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Sorry, 1630 aint happening...
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- Too close to KYIZ 1620
- 1630 is an oft-used TIS/Part 15 frequency.

I don't know what the new nighttime 1120 signal pattern will be, but if they can directional it north-northeast it would be a sweet spot for them because it would go straight into Seattle and the Eastside.

Just DON'T HD it.
 
Bongwater said:
radioguybroadcasting said:
crainbebo said:
If that station signs on, I'll never get KPNW!! I'm so sad they would use 1120 for a station in Yelm. Use 1630 AM instead! :'( :'(
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Sorry, 1630 aint happening...
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- Too close to KYIZ 1620
- 1630 is an oft-used TIS/Part 15 frequency.

I don't know what the new nighttime 1120 signal pattern will be, but if they can directional it north-northeast it would be a sweet spot for them because it would go straight into Seattle and the Eastside.

Just DON'T HD it.
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The FCC won't let anyone apply for an X Band CHannel anymore...... X Band applications were for exsisting stations to migrate voer, not brand new ones anyways
 
He envisions a radio station in Yelm in which on-air personalities would be visible to the public Hmmmm, I think that was done a few years back, it's called MTV.

But in any case while we're all thinking he's a little unhinged one must remember people used to think flying, space travel and and Dick Tracy's wrist radio were pure fantasy.
 
mightymoose said:
He envisions a radio station in Yelm in which on-air personalities would be visible to the public Hmmmm, I think that was done a few years back, it's called MTV.

But in any case while we're all thinking he's a little unhinged one must remember people used to think flying, space travel and and Dick Tracy's wrist radio were pure fantasy.
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And someday, we'll all talk about this with computers.....
 
mightymoose said:
He envisions a radio station in Yelm in which on-air personalities would be visible to the public Hmmmm, I think that was done a few years back, it's called MTV.

But in any case while we're all thinking he's a little unhinged one must remember people used to think flying, space travel and and Dick Tracy's wrist radio were pure fantasy.
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I suspect the strategy comes from having watched too many re-runs of Northern Exposure. NEWS FLASH!! It's just a TV show!!
Bobbies Bookstore in Yelm won't buy advertising on the station just because they can wave to the air talent through the station window.

Frankly the AM band is over-crowded anyway. The last thing we need is another small town entrepreneur shoe-horning in yet another class C or D station, only to go under sometime next year.
 
The day, night and critical hours patterns are fairly similar for the new AM 1120 at Yelm. Nulls to the NNE and South. This station looks to be engineered to cover from south of Tumwater to Lakewood, maybe University Village. Not much juice toward Seattle or Tacoma day or night.

It's not like Oly needs another AM station all that much. Or Yelm for that matter.


-The Knob
 
Shiny Knob said:
The day, night and critical hours patterns are fairly similar for the new AM 1120 at Yelm. Nulls to the NNE and South. This station looks to be engineered to cover from south of Tumwater to Lakewood, maybe University Village. Not much juice toward Seattle or Tacoma day or night.

It's not like Oly needs another AM station all that much. Or Yelm for that matter.


-The Knob
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BUT, there is ALWAYS someone out there there who thinks that THEY can do it BETTER then whats already there.

If there's 3 country stations, they can do it better.
if there's 4 talk stations, they can offer more compelling talk

You get the idea...
 
radioguybroadcasting said:
BUT, there is ALWAYS someone out there there who thinks that THEY can do it BETTER then whats already there.
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And most of the time, they'll be wrong abou that -- but the occasional person who believes that and actually turns out to have a good idea and a better way to do something is the way that innovation happens in any business, including radio. So it's really a good thing that plenty of folks think that they can do it better, because if no one believes that, the result is a pretty stagnant field.
 
If it goes HD, then I'll never get KBND 1110, KPNW 1120 or CKWX 1130! I could null it out, but it would still be in the mix. BTW, will the station be 24/7?

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
If it goes HD, then I'll never get KBND 1110, KPNW 1120 or CKWX 1130! I could null it out, but it would still be in the mix. BTW, will the station be 24/7?

-crainbebo
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Uh, yeah, it has to be a full time license, by law.. as the FCC no longer licenses Stations with less then the equivalent of 250 Watts at night.
 
radioguybroadcasting said:
Uh, yeah, it has to be a full time license, by law.. as the FCC no longer licenses Stations with less then the equivalent of 250 Watts at night.
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Well, that's a matter of semantics. It is entirely within FCC rules to move an existing Class D AM (daytimer with or without low-power nighttime authority) to a new CoL (often completely outside the former contours) as a daytimer on a completely different frequency on which it need not have (or be qualified to receive) nighttime authority. The FCC WILL grant a license for such a station. In fact, I believe that the station to be moved could be a Class B or C AM (full-timer) and the new facilities could make it a Class D. If that's so--and I think it is--you can still legally turn an AM with a full-time license into a daytimer.
 
The Thurston/Mason market had too many AM stations BEFORE the FM move-ins.

680 (250 watts daytime)
920 (3 kw day, 7 watts night)
1030 (10 kw day, 1kw night)
1240 (1kw day/night)
1280 (1 kw day, 500 watts night)
1340 (1 kw)

KXXO had the FM field to itself for several years; then came KAYO (now Hispanic KDDS), KGY-FM, KFMY, KANY on the way, and at least one more in the future...

AMs cost so much to build, tower site permits are so hard to get; younger demos don't listen to AM, and older demos don't change their dial, I don't know how one can develop a business plan for a new AM station.

And AM HD is not likely to gain traction.
 
Bill, didn't you apply for a new AM on 1500 with 500 watts? In the state of radio today it is lucky the FCC didn't give you that one.
 
Bill Wolfenbarger said:
KXXO had the FM field to itself for several years; then came KAYO (now Hispanic KDDS), KGY-FM, KFMY, KANY on the way, and at least one more in the future...
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Well, actually, KANY is on the air... as Bigfoot Country 93.7 FM. They are licened to Aberdeen, in Grays Harbor County, not thrston or madon county.

-crainbebo
 
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